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Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:29 pm

The war of words escalates.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/qatar-airways-boss-accuses-delta-flying-crap-planes-131601698.html
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:36 pm

Here ya go, don't forget on A.net the "s" in https must be removed for the link to work.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/qatar-airw...-flying-crap-planes-131601698.html
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:49 pm

Regardless of what I think of Qatar or the entire subsidy debate, let me clear up a couple of facts.

Delta's aircraft are not "crap planes". The vast majority have had new interiors within the last couple years and are virtually identical to the latest 739s being delivered.

Delta's oldest aircraft is NOT 35 years old. It is in fact N612DL, a 757-200 delivered new to Delta in August, 1985. That puts it at 29.5 years old. I was on this aircraft a couple weeks ago and it looks to be in great shape. The new seat covers brighten up the cabin a lot. This aircraft is also scheduled for retirement at the end of the summer.

As far as CO2 emissions are concerned, it's hard to compare long haul widebodies against short haul domestic flights. Delta is also MUCH larger than Qatar, so of course they're going to produce more CO2.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:53 pm

But his argument is circular. "We only receive equity (which allows us to buy newer aircraft on favorable terms) and Delta doesn't receive help (leading to keeping the fleet longer and having old planes) but that isn't an advantage we get..."

Sorry buddy, but that is the point. You get a competitive advantage from government support (which you seem to be admitting in some form). To ridicule other carriers who can't afford shiny new aircraft as quickly because they don't get favorable loan rates and don't have government "companies" buying aircraft for them doesn't help your case.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):

The oldest is N751AT. All of the 757-212s are older.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):

But putting the other 2 aside, if Qatar is owned by the government, how can we call it a subsidy period?
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 4):
The oldest is N751AT. All of the 757-212s are older.

Still not 35 years old........I think we took delivery of our first 757 in '84.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
As far as CO2 emissions are concerned, it's hard to compare long haul widebodies against short haul domestic flights. Delta is also MUCH larger than Qatar, so of course they're going to produce more CO2.

I agree with his observation that "People who make lots of noise about CO2, people who make so much noise about greenhouse gases that are emitted from airplane engines, don't realise that they are constantly travelling by airplane, so they should start walking or going on horseback if they really mean what they say."
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:10 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 4):

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):

The oldest is N751AT. All of the 757-212s are older.

Good catch! I forgot about the Ex-SQ birds. Ship 6901 will hang on into Q1 2016.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 4):
The oldest is N751AT. All of the 757-212s are older.

Correct, but even counting these four 75V's, the oldest a/c in the fleet is 30.5 years (Sept '84). The average age of the entire DL fleet is just over 17 years.

[Edited 2015-03-16 13:12:10]
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:17 pm

It's not the age of the aircraft that matters. It's the condition (both on the airworthiness side and the passenger amenities side) that matters.

While I'm confident that DL's planes are airwothy, I have my reservations about their product being kept current. To be fair to DL, I do think they're the best of the American carriers.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:21 pm

EK etc: "Nobody is a bigger stronger gangster than we are."

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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:30 pm

Some of DL's planes may be old, but they are in great condition.
They are also have and are getting new planes as well.

DL's operations are much larger than QR, hence the need for more planes.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:34 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 5):
But putting the other 2 aside, if Qatar is owned by the government, how can we call it a subsidy period?

I guess it has to do with antitrust concepts in the USA and why the railroad barons were targeted for the same sorts of practices. Robbing one part of your empire to subsidize another, in a way that stifles competition to maximize profits as a whole. Giving preferential treatment to your own trains on your lines, etc..

Or the way we broke up the film studio/movie theater ownership structures in the USA because the studios were withholding product from competitors and preventing new theaters from opening. Since that time, the multi-plex flourished, the single, large screen theater that shows one featured movie for 8 weeks went the way of the dodo, etc.

If a government owns the airlines and many other things (shopping malls, hotels, etc.), and then gives benefits to the airline and those benefits are made up in other areas where competition is less or not even allowed (by laws enacted by the same government, by the charging of taxes in non-aviation related areas, etc.), then it is a subsidy meant to influence the competitive environment.

It's a similar concept to how WN was making money as "an oil hedge company that also flew airplanes". It allowed them, during the period of the last decade when that was lucrative for them, to subsidize their airline operations with huge oil profits, and keep fares artificially lower. That bubble burst, and WN fares aren't as low as they were.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:37 pm

Yeah well.. US3 got better pilots   
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:49 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Delta's oldest aircraft is NOT 35 years old. It is in fact N612DL, a 757-200 delivered new to Delta in August, 1985. That puts it at 29.5 years old. I was on this aircraft a couple weeks ago and it looks to be in great shape. The new seat covers brighten up the cabin a lot. This aircraft is also scheduled for retirement at the end of the summer.

Speaking of which -- is there a 757 retirement timeline list (even if it's approximate and doesn't show which tail numbers) available to the public?

Just wondered how many and when.


The statement by QR is without any credibility. They are implying an old airplane is not a good one to be a passenger on, while most people realize that is not necessarily the case.

If they had a fleet of 700+, they'd realize...they can't all be new.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:49 pm

I'll fly on any Delta aircraft any day of the week. I especially enjoy the "old" MD-88s.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:08 pm

I flew with Delta last week MAN-ATL and was pretty shocked the 767-300 I flew out on was built in 1992 and the one coming home was built in 1990... That is probably more because I am spoilt, with most aircraft I flown on previously less than 10 years old here in Europe.

However, when I boarded the aircrafts, boy was I impressed with the refurbishments Delta had done! They were like boarding new aircraft, with the new seating, overhead 777 style lockers and IFE. Had a great flight in both direction and on-board product was great with excellent crew!

We then took the 717's from ATL-EWR and these seemed a little more dated, but these are only doing two hour hops and more than good enough.

It however doesn't just seem to be Al-Baker with the view of DL operating an old fleet... During my stay in the US, I was there during the crash at LGA and was watching the local NYC news on TV, I think it was CBS2 at the hotel. They had some politician on and he accused Delta of operating old 30+ year aircraft and this could have been a cause for the accident.

While this politician is probably totally uneducated and scare mongering, it doesn't help DL's position!
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:11 pm

Delta turned a profit last year. Qatar didn't. Case closed.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Delta's aircraft are not "crap planes".

I beg to differ!
UP front: I have exactly 5 sectors on DL:
SYD-LAX, B77L, 18 months old, cabin condition - well crap might be a little harsh, but not much. Especially when you consider it was only 18 months old.
LAX-SLC pretty new RJ very good condition
SLC-SEA A319, grubby
SEA-MSPB753 good condition
MSP-LGA MD88, same as B77L

I would certainly be wary of flying DL again. An especially relevant comparison was LANs A340 AKL-SYD in Jan 15. This aircraft has been with LAN for decades, is being retired in Mar15 (replaced by B787) and it's cabin was still in better condition than DLs 18 month old B77L.

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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:23 pm

I have flown DL and QR several times and DL planes are older but theyre in great condition, last time I flew QR it was in a 5 hours A320 ride and the plane was very bad, someone told is "one of the old ones".

In general I'll fly DL over QR if possible always.

Quoting nikeherc (Reply 17):

I'll fly on any Delta aircraft any day of the week. I especially enjoy the "old" MD-88s.

I love them and the B717 are great also, I'm tired of B737 and A320 always, my last flight XNA-ATL-LGA was great even if ATL is a crazy place at that time of the morning.

AAB continues his fight against the world trying to team up with EK, maybe we should all do like Sweden with Saudi Arabia and he could go back to trade with camels and sand until they decide to leave the medievo and come to the 21st century.

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 15):
Yeah well.. US3 got better pilots   

And older, and Cabin crew are also better and older and the engineers... because airlines like DL, AA, IB, BA, LH are places were people have their rights, the company care about the employees and the employees about the employer...
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:24 pm

I wonder why is Parker of AA is so quiet..
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 23):
I wonder why is Parker of AA is so quiet..

I've been thinking the same. Seems like Parker/Smisek and Clark/Hogan are letting Anderson and Baker do all the mud slinging.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:31 pm

Watching 4-year-olds throw tantrums in the sandbox when they steal each other's toys is annoying, but understandable.

Watching multimillionaire US3 and ME3 executives throw tantrums in the sandbox is getting really old.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:31 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 2):
Delta's oldest aircraft is NOT 35 years old. It is in fact N612DL, a 757-200 delivered new to Delta in August, 1985. That puts it at 29.5 years old.

Oh well, that makes all the difference.

[Edited 2015-03-16 14:34:08]
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:48 pm

QR might have newer planes than DL. But is an argument about cabin condition something that QR would want to start? They are really not known for sparkling new and clean interiors.

It seems they picked the wrong stone to throw.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:04 pm

This is a long-standing argument that US carriers have had about the Exim Bank giving highly preferential interest rates to foreign carriers not available to American owned airlines. This fight has literally gone on for years.

It will literally take an act of congress to change the outcome and this congress can't get their act together for the simplest of functions.

I don't see any changes in the foreseeable future.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:32 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 8):
Good catch! I forgot about the Ex-SQ birds. Ship 6901 will hang on into Q1 2016.

Really Q1 2016?,these planes need to go tomorrow.But to be honest these birds are the worst in DL's 757 fleet hands down..
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):

I work this route all the time. On LAX-NRT as well. Curious, what part of the BE (Or main cabin even) did you find borderline "crap"? Our 777s normally look pretty spotless to me.

We're far from perfect, but DL has invested quite a bit in cabin interiors and amenities the past few years. Sure, there are a few birds that just need to go (75V, I'm looking at you), but as someone who spends equal time on the whole range of aircraft, I can say Mr. Qatar is full of ___.

I've flown Luftansa, KLM, Alitalia, Vietnam, Cathay, and ANA in the past 3 months...only ANA's 787 impressed me.
(And I was hoping to be impressed!)

I'm quite proud of our fleet.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting YTZ (Reply 11):
While I'm confident that DL's planes are airwothy, I have my reservations about their product being kept current.

And WHY would you have these reservations, hmmmmm?
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:56 pm

Quoting sk736 (Reply 26):
Oh well, that makes all the difference.

Actually it really does. If you are overstating an aircraft's age by almost as much as 20% (18.6%), then you are using hyperbole to make a point. It's much better to stick to facts when laying criticism on a competitor. No one appreciates distortions.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:57 pm

These are things that stick out to me as looking out-of-date or old in the Delta fleet:

- MD-88 seats (the rest of the updated interior is OK)
- Pretty much anything inside ex-NW 5500, ex-ATA, or non-75X original Delta 757s
- Old A320s showing their age badly (supposedly to be refurbed, but not yet)
- The entire domestic 763 interior, even after the refurb (was done on the cheap and shows it)
- 738s, A319s, and newer A320s look like they've been used hard

The international fleet looks pretty good, though. Nothing DL's got can compare to al-Baker's 787s or A350s but DL measures up just fine to QR A330s/A340s or 777s.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:00 pm

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 32):
- The entire domestic 763 interior, even after the refurb (was done on the cheap and shows it)

Oh yeah. I forgot about those bins...   
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:01 pm

Quoting LAXSTEW (Reply 30):


I'm going to have to agree with you. I've never been on a DL plane that looked anything like "crap." Honestly, people say some of the most bizarre stuff on this site.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 33):
Nothing DL's got can compare to al-Baker's 787s or A350s

I would take a DL 744 Upper Deck any time over any QR 787 or A388 or A350...
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:05 pm

So Qatar's boss accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes". What a crappy attitude from Akbar  
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:07 pm

For what it is worth, Delta *does* fly crap planes. IMHO, of course.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:10 pm

UA flies their 744 that reeks of laziness and uncaring, and they accuse Delta of flying crap planes that they actually went out of their way to do comprehensive retrofits on?
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
I beg to differ!
UP front: I have exactly 5 sectors on DL:
SYD-LAX, B77L, 18 months old, cabin condition - well crap might be a little harsh, but not much. Especially when you consider it was only 18 months old.
LAX-SLC pretty new RJ very good condition
SLC-SEA A319, grubby
SEA-MSPB753 good condition
MSP-LGA MD88, same as B77L

After only ONE flight on each of these a/c, you're willing to say they ALL look like this?

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 33):

These are things that stick out to me as looking out-of-date or old in the Delta fleet:

- MD-88 seats (the rest of the updated interior is OK)
- Pretty much anything inside ex-NW 5500, ex-ATA, or non-75X original Delta 757s
- Old A320s showing their age badly (supposedly to be refurbed, but not yet)
- The entire domestic 763 interior, even after the refurb (was done on the cheap and shows it)
- 738s, A319s, and newer A320s look like they've been used hard

This would indicate to me, that you've spent a lot of time flying on EVERY ONE of each of the a/c mentioned. How else could you come up with this summation?
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:17 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 40):
This would indicate to me, that you've spent a lot of time flying on EVERY ONE of each of the a/c mentioned. How else could you come up with this summation?

I fly a fair amount, and it doesn't take too many flights to hit all of those types.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 41):

I fly a fair amount, and it doesn't take too many flights to hit all of those types.

I'm saying, to come up with your conclusion, you would have had to flown on EVERY ONE of the a/c of each type.....not just one or two of a type.
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
I would certainly be wary of flying DL again

Why, are they unsafe?
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:25 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 33):

These are things that stick out to me as looking out-of-date or old in the Delta fleet:

- MD-88 seats (the rest of the updated interior is OK)
- Pretty much anything inside ex-NW 5500, ex-ATA, or non-75X original Delta 757s
- Old A320s showing their age badly (supposedly to be refurbed, but not yet)
- The entire domestic 763 interior, even after the refurb (was done on the cheap and shows it)
- 738s, A319s, and newer A320s look like they've been used hard

The international fleet looks pretty good, though. Nothing DL's got can compare to al-Baker's 787s or A350s but DL measures up just fine to QR A330s/A340s or 777s.

All of the things you just mentioned are being actively worked on at Delta. Most of them should be resolved or retired within a year or so.

Of course nothing DL has will compare to QR's literally brand new 787/A350. DL is not in the same market. They also don't have a brand new fleet to start fresh with. Perhaps when their A350s come online.

Quoting panamair (Reply 36):
I would take a DL 744 Upper Deck any time over any QR 787 or A388 or A350...

  
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:27 pm

I live in Minneapolis, so fly DL a lot, I only flew Qatar once last year on C, and it was nothing to write home about, the plane seemed pretty new, but their interior is hideous burgundy color. The terminal and lounge in Doha, is like a posh 1970's terminal, and almost all flights if not all have to be boarded by bus. Overall of the E3 I'd rather fly Emirates or Etihad, and before Qatar, I'd gladly fly DL, UA, AA or any European Airline (Way better cabins usually!) Also Just like I wouldn't appreciate Western Pilots joining in prayer on the PA before take off. I also didn't like the whole praying in Arabic on the PA on both QR and EY... Not cool!
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:31 pm

Ha ha. All these people dissing DL's planes. Why don't all you special people go charter a plane that will meet your over the top, demanding needs? lmao.

DL does not have crappy planes. Neither do AA, WN, etc. just because it isn't the newest doesn't mean it's crap.

As for the dude from Qatar... Really? You're from freaking Qatar.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:33 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 40):
This would indicate to me, that you've spent a lot of time flying on EVERY ONE of each of the a/c mentioned. How else could you come up with this summation?

I haven't flown every aircraft, but my assessment over the last few years would be as follows:
757s- ex NW and AT are usually not as nice as DL's 70ish segments
MD88s- Hit or miss, some are nice and some have been meh 20ish segments.
A320s- aren't great and are definitely the worst aircraft in the mainline fleet. 50 ish segments.
738s A319s MD90s- Usually pretty good but sometimes there's a bad apple. 60ish between the 3 types.
739s are great as are the redone 753s.
International fleet I have less experience but in about 10 segments total I have been very impressed with the 332s, 763s and 777s

I am actually always very impressed with the CR9s, E175s, and most of the CR7s. Many of the CR2s look like they've been run into the ground.
 
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:47 pm

All these discussions of the ME3 vrs US3 are really stupid IMHO. Everything works more or less in the following way:

USA turns a blind eye on the ME dictators and tyrants as long as the oil keeps flowing. The USA in exchange provides them with preferential commercial treatment and loans which let these tyrants buy weapons to keep their populations subdued (e.g. Bahrain). With the money left over the Arabs start pet projects and begin playing Airline Tycoon (just that they do it with real airplanes) and buy them from Boeing and Airbus. That keeps some manufacturing jobs in the USA, which in turn also keeps the politicians in the USA of doing anything about these tyrants because you know... it's bad for business if Boeing (and to a lesser extent Airbus) goes kaput.

So all in all, I see it as a very symbiotic and fruitful relationship. So in a sense the US3 are screwed unless they start buying everything Boeing produces. It would be very stupid for the USA in general to mess with the ME3, since nobody will fill up the orders they take from Boeing, especially not the stingy US3.

The ME3 are an indirect creation of the USA foreign policy, so now they cannot begin to cry about it.

Of course, there are many things being oversimplified in my description, but that's pretty much it.

[Edited 2015-03-16 16:48:26]
 
rta
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:50 pm

Quoting danild (Reply 45):
I also didn't like the whole praying in Arabic on the PA on both QR and EY... Not cool!

Can you elaborate? I haven't heard this before.
 
DeltaB717
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 27):
QR might have newer planes than DL. But is an argument about cabin condition something that QR would want to start? They are really not known for sparkling new and clean interiors.

Which is ironic, really, being the airline who refused to take delivery of a shiny new aeroplane because the carpet wasn't up to scratch!

I have a feeling the ME3, maybe not so much EK, see DL as a threat and that's where a lot of this 'mudslinging' as it was called upthread is coming from...
 
Gemuser
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RE: Qatar Boss Accuses DL Of "flying Crap Planes"

Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting LAXSTEW (Reply 30):

I work this route all the time. On LAX-NRT as well. Curious, what part of the BE (Or main cabin even) did you find borderline "crap"? Our 777s normally look pretty spotless to me.

This was a few years ago, which should be obvious as the B77L was only 18 months old. I was travelling in Y. The cabin appeared dingy/dirty (walls and floor), the seat covers were falling apart, I spent most of the flight trying to untangle my feet from the covers of the seat in front of me, my seat did not recline, the IFE screen was small, scratched to almost invisibility and very limited IFE choice. All this contributed to the my feeling the cabin was borderline crap. Not to mention the poor service, food & drink.
Compared to QF, JL, KE, AY, AF, SK, BA, LA and EK [except for their 10 abreast B77W, that was worse then DL] yes the cabin was borderline crap, even the refurnished UA B744 cabins, although more spartan & no personal IFE were more comfortable.

Quoting mayor (Reply 40):
After only ONE flight on each of these a/c, you're willing to say they ALL look like this?

I was very upfront that my comments were based on just 5 sectors. Yes I base the whole airline on my experience, how can anyone do anything else?

Quoting johns624 (Reply 43):
Why, are they unsafe?

Better service/environment for same/lesser price.

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