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Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:12 pm

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/cit...kane.aspx?SOC=TW_||20150318_SALE||

Hopefully Alaska can build up Spokane.

[Edited 2015-03-18 12:15:22]

[Edited 2015-03-18 12:18:09]
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:21 pm

Though they did say _starting_ in their web special, this service is re-starting as AS flew this for quite some time before canceling in the last couple of years.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:24 pm

Horizon? The press release isn't clear.

Southwest currently flies 2x daily--will they retreat further from the region?

Quoting DC10LOVER (Thread starter):
Hopefully Alaska can build up Spokane.

Spokane is a larger market than Boise, both overall and for Alaska, correct?

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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:34 pm

Most likely will Southwest leave the route. If only Alaska can also have a non - stop Spokane - Salt Lake City route.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 2):
Horizon? The press release isn't clear.

Yes. Horizon Q400's, twice a day. You can verify this by checking the September schedules on AS's website.

IMO, a 737 would be extremely overkill on this route, not so much because of the distance (yes, I know, AS used to fly mainline on short routes - I flew an AS MD80 from SAN-LAX in the early 90's and an AS 734 from BOI-SEA about ten years ago), but more because AS doesn't have the mainline metal to spare. Their priorities for their mainline aircraft are on longer, higher yielding routes.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:00 pm

I also expect WN to end this route, I'll guess in next sched extension.....

I am amazed AS/QX still does the one BOI-LWS flight.

Wish them well on this relaunch.

My first Metroliner flight was a BOI-GEG on QX in 1986. If anyone cares lol.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:07 pm

I could see them kicking southwest off the route. Seems like a route type southwest is becoming less and less interested in serving.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:01 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 2):
Southwest currently flies 2x daily--will they retreat further from the region?

I'll add to the consensus, I too believe WN will leave the route, their only remaining Intra Northwest route. IMO the only reason they stayed this long was the lack of competition.

QX will likely capture the lions share of the local traffic with their loyal travelers & well loved mileage program. The route is too short for the 737 to make a big difference vs the Q400.

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 4):
Their priorities for their mainline aircraft are on longer, higher yielding routes.

From what I understand, QX is stretched pretty thin with Q400 flying as well. I really think with the addition of the EMB-175 to the fleet, there will be more opportunities for additional routes with the Q400s & CR7s.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 5):
My first Metroliner flight was a BOI-GEG on QX in 1986. If anyone cares lol.

Mine was PDX-GEG in 1986, from that day forward it was known as "the pencil with wings" in my group of friends.

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 3):
If only Alaska can also have a non - stop Spokane - Salt Lake City route.

Maybe they'll have a one stop service? I wonder what the connecting opportunities there are on both ends? From the way the article title reads in this newsroom release from AS, it seems this is more about connecting Boise to Spokane as they mention this is the 8th non-stop city from Boise.

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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:08 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
The route is too short for the 737 to make a big difference vs the Q400.

In terms of distance/time, yes - the Q400 flies at about/nearly jet speeds and this is such a short distance that the flying time in a Q vs a 737 is minimal, not more than a few minutes I'd imagine.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
From what I understand, QX is stretched pretty thin with Q400 flying as well. I really think with the addition of the EMB-175 to the fleet, there will be more opportunities for additional routes with the Q400s & CR7s.

At the moment, QX is stretched thin with crews. With movement (finally) in the airline industry due to retirements, expansion, etc., a lot of QX pilots are leaving for mainline carriers and QX has been on a hiring spree as of late (compared to the last few years at least). I don't see OO CR7's and E17's flying too many of the short QX routes (so I doubt you'll see GEG-BOI on an AS branded OO EMB-175 anytime soon) but yes I agree, it does free up more QX Q400's for these types of routes. Don't forget that QX is now in Alaska too, which is new flying with new demands that didn't exist a few years ago. The Anchorage-Fairbanks shuttle is now on a Q400 and that requires more airframes up there.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:17 pm

This is one of the few routes left WN has with no catering on either end as far as I know. I agree they may exit the market. The QX Q400's have less seats to fill and are probably competitive cost wise per seat to a WN 737.


Flight times on QX:

BOI-GEG 0620-0629
BOI-GEG 1925-1934

GEG-BOI 0620-0828
GEG-BOI 1520-1728

WN flight times are probably a little better for business traffic destined to GEG from BOI (weekdays):

GEG-BOI 0625-0825
GEG-BOI 1705-1905

BOI-GEG 0630-0635
BOI-GEG 1740-1740

Drive time is about 7 hours, not terrible but not exactly flat terrain either.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 5):
I am amazed AS/QX still does the one BOI-LWS flight.

Me too.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:45 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 9):
Drive time is about 7 hours, not terrible but not exactly flat terrain either.

And it's not the best road either, as it's an undivided two-lane highway for most of the distance. In the winter it can be somewhat treacherous due to snow and ice.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:52 pm

I believe this a great add for AS/QX. I agree WN probably has already planned an exit from this route. I also hope for some GEG-SLC flights by QX, I believe the market will support it since WN has dropped the route leaving only DL/OO
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 9):

This is one of the few routes left WN has with no catering on either end as far as I know.

We still have quite a few routes where we get no catering on either end.......
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting mwh787 (Reply 11):
I also hope for some GEG-SLC flights by QX, I believe the market will support it since WN has dropped the route leaving only DL/OO

I bet you this is a place AS has on tap for SLC almost surprising they dont fly it now. They have the space problem right now, and the airport seems to operating at a snails pace when AS makes a request. I bet this is one of the next routes they would want to fly from SLC seems like a natural
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:15 am

And let's have even more fun. Along with non - stop service from Spokane (GEG) to Boise, add non - stop service to Salt Lake City and Las Vegas. Why not throw in non - stop to Denver also. Like i mentioned, build up Spokane.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:40 am

GEG-SFO would be nice too. Spokane has surprisingly little service to the hubs in California.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 5):
I am amazed AS/QX still does the one BOI-LWS flight.

We still do Pullman to Lewiston as well. 30 miles and about 8 minutes flying time, it's the shortest scheduled commercial flight in the US.
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:02 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 16):
We still do Pullman to Lewiston as well. 30 miles and about 8 minutes flying time, it's the shortest scheduled commercial flight in the US.

Those do surprise me that they have kept Q400's in those markets. Back when they dropped IDA (which usually carries premium fares in most markets) they stated that the Q400 was too much and too many seats for the market. (same when they dropped TWF with the DH4's) AND, IDA is a much bigger and diverse market than Pullman and lewiston
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 8):
At the moment, QX is stretched thin with crews.

I don't think Horizon will have problems filling classes. Good pay and industry leading quality of life will bring in quality candidates.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 17):
same when they dropped TWF with the DH4's)

It was the -200s that they had when they ended TWF.

As for PUW-LWS, only reason it exists is the tag to/from SEA due to inability to fill the plane at either place for the time the flights operate, and/or to 'save a plane' forsome other route.

When I visited Lewiston once, I did BOI-SLC-LWS on OO, then LWS-PUW-SEA on QX just to experience the quick hop to PUW.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:44 am

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 17):
Those do surprise me that they have kept Q400's in those markets. Back when they dropped IDA (which usually carries premium fares in most markets) they stated that the Q400 was too much and too many seats for the market. (same when they dropped TWF with the DH4's) AND, IDA is a much bigger and diverse market than Pullman and lewiston

IDA may be a bigger population base than PUW/LWS, but where do those people want to go? I'm guessing its not SEA. I think most would prefer to FLY IDA-SLC/DEN-Eastern US, as an example, than to fly IDA-SEA-Eastern US. O/D IDA-BOI may make sense, but IIRC, QX tried that and still could operate that route profitably with the Q400.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:23 am

GEG-BOI is a good market and it's surprised me that AS has ignored it this long (since dropping it). I guess the lack of capacity growth at QX played a part - and having higher priority to add SAN Q400 and AS Q400 flying.

I too would be surprised to see WN continue this market. WN makes money on it now but not sure that'll be the case when AS starts siphoning local business traffic

Not to launch off into a different area but following up on one poster, the GEG-Bay Area void has always befuddled me. UA tried briefly to relaunch SFO-GEG a few years back but pulled the plug. What UA is doing with GEG is a head scratcher in of itself. But I know the thought with the airport folks in GEG is there is demand for additional nonstop lift to SFO or even SJC.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:30 am

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 8):
In terms of distance/time,

Yes, exactly what I meant, there is of course a difference jet vs prop, but that is just a few plane lovers or fearful flyers.

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 8):
a lot of QX pilots are leaving for mainline carriers and QX has been on a hiring spree as of late

That is news to me, but not at all surprising. I was thinking about their increased staffing needs just with the expansion they have done, I did not even consider the upwards movement by the pilots to larger planes & paychecks. I wonder how many QX pilots go on to fly with AS, I'd venture to guess, many.

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 8):
I don't see OO CR7's and E17's flying too many of the short QX routes

Agreed, those E-175s will take over routes like OMA, IMHO.

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 8):
I agree, it does free up more QX Q400's for these types of routes.

That is what I was suggesting, it certainly isn't difficult thinking it will help make QX an even stronger force in the West.

Quoting tomcbaker (Reply 8):
Don't forget that QX is now in Alaska too, which is new flying with new demands that didn't exist a few years ago.

The exact reason that I was under the impression that QX was stretched thin on aircraft, well that & SLC flying.

Quoting rwsea (Reply 10):
And it's not the best road either, as it's an undivided two-lane highway for most of the distance. In the winter it can be somewhat treacherous due to snow and ice.

Sounds like most roads east of the cascades, with the exception of eastward heading 84 & 90.

Quoting atct (Reply 18):
Good pay and industry leading quality of life will bring in quality candidates.

One of the reasons I love flying AS or QX, I almost always have a good crew to fly with. There are few carriers that I can readily expect a great crew from, IMO.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 19):
When I visited Lewiston once, I did BOI-SLC-LWS on OO, then LWS-PUW-SEA on QX just to experience the quick hop to PUW.

Sounds like something I'd have done back in the 80s or 90s. I once got a free pass from Air BC when they first started PDX back in the 90s, we went the furthest we could go, Edmonton.

PDX-YVR-YYF-YCG-YYC-YXD-YQU-YDQ-YXJ-YXS-YVR-PDX with one night in Edmonton at the Fantasyland hotel at the Mall, then the second night at the Four Seasons in Vancouver in a massive suite, I miss being in the industry.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:50 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 22):
PDX-YVR-YYF-YCG-YYC-YXD-YQU-YDQ-YXJ-YXS-YVR-PDX with one night in Edmonton at the Fantasyland hotel at the Mall, then the second night at the Four Seasons in Vancouver in a massive suite, I miss being in the industry.

Very nice trip. reminds me of trips I would do to see how far I could get in a day lol.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:50 am

What happened to AS restarting a 1x per day mainline between BOI-SEA?
Thought it was supposed to have started by now.

Did they scrap that and I missed it?
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:34 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 15):
GEG-SFO would be nice too. Spokane has surprisingly little service to the hubs in California.

AS or QX has tried LAX-GEG several times and dropped it. QX briefly did SJC-GEG and dropped it. Can't recall if they've tried SAN-GEG, but I don't think so.

I do agree that it seems like there should be more GEG-California Service.

UA did SFO-GEG with 727s back in the old days and Hughes Airwest did SFO-PSC.
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:41 am

Quoting turbineseaplane (Reply 24):
What happened to AS restarting a 1x per day mainline between BOI-SEA?
Thought it was supposed to have started by now.

Weren't those types of adds always to get 737s parked outside of Seattle when necessary?
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:43 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
AS or QX has tried LAX-GEG several times and dropped it. QX briefly did SJC-GEG and dropped it. Can't recall if they've tried SAN-GEG, but I don't think so.

I do agree that it seems like there should be more GEG-California Service.

Delta does well with its daily RJ9 on SkyWest to LAX from GEG. Alasks used to run a 739 LAX-GEG depending on season.

I believe the GEG-SJC was a one-stop wasn't it? I know QX tried Sacramento which surprisingly failed. I distinctly recall talking to a GEG official who said GEG-SMF/ONT were two of ExpressJet's top performing routes when they launched their own, independent service on EJR's. And apparently San Diego did alright too.

Problem is with AS, the Q400 can only reach the bay area from GEG.

And, yes, UA used to run 4x mainline GEG-SFO even into the early new century.
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:12 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 27):
I believe the GEG-SJC was a one-stop wasn't it?

No. SJC-GEG was non-stop on a Q400.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 27):
Alasks used to run a 739 LAX-GEG depending on season.

AS has done LAX-GEG with a 737 and they also done it with a QX CR7 at times.
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:30 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 16):

We still do Pullman to Lewiston as well. 30 miles and about 8 minutes flying time, it's the shortest scheduled commercial flight in the US.

I don't think this is correct. There is one each shorter scheduled flight in Alaska and Hawaii. This is the shortest in the lower 48 and third shortest in the US.

SFO-OAK used to be probably the shortest flight. They are 10-11 miles apart.
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:28 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
AS or QX has tried LAX-GEG several times and dropped it. QX briefly did SJC-GEG and dropped it. Can't recall if they've tried SAN-GEG, but I don't think so.

I do agree that it seems like there should be more GEG-California Service.
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 23):
Very nice trip. reminds me of trips I would do to see how far I could get in a day lol.

Every flight was on a Dash 8-100, sans the YYC-YXD flight which got me, my one & only Bae-146 flight. the trip from YXD to YVR took 4h 40m and we sat in 1A & 1B, which had us sitting with the F/A every stop, that was pretty cool, she wore a couple hats at a few stops, where it wasn't much more than an airstrip & a tin shed.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
UA did SFO-GEG with 727s back in the old days and Hughes Airwest did SFO-PSC.

In 1974 UA had twice daily 727 service - http://www.departedflights.com/SFO74p4.html

In 1979 UA had twice daily 727 service - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG79p1.html

In 1981 UA had twice daily 73S service - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG81p1.html

In 1985 UA had three times daily 73S & PS has 1 x daily D9S & 1 x daily M80

http://www.departedflights.com/GEG85p1.html

In 1989 UA had 1 x daily 73S, 1 x daily 727, 1 x daily 733 - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG89p1.html

In 1990 AS had 3 x daily service but it was one stop at PDX -http://www.departedflights.com/AS070190p6.html

In 1991 UA had 2 x daily 727 & 2 x daily 733 - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG91p1.html

In 1995 UA had 1 x 733, 1 x 735, 1 x 72S, 1 x 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG95p2.html

In 1999 UA had 3 x 735 - http://www.departedflights.com/SFO99p5.html

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
AS or QX has tried LAX-GEG several times and dropped it.

So has RW, RC, UA & WA

In 1979 UA had 2 x 72S & RW had 1 x DC9 & 1 x D9S - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG79p1.html

In 1981 RC had 2 x DC-9 - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG81p1.html

In 1985 WA had 1 x 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG85p1.html

In 1995 AS had 2 x daily M80 - http://www.departedflights.com/GEG95p1.html

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 26):
Weren't those types of adds always to get 737s parked outside of Seattle when necessary?

5 mainline flights a day SEA-GEG on AS, the last one is on a 739, I bet it can get pretty full. PDX gets a 73G, BLI a 734, IIRC. At one time AS used to offer mainline SEA-PSC flights.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:32 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 15):
GEG-SFO would be nice too. Spokane has surprisingly little service to the hubs in California.
Quoting n7371f (Reply 21):
Not to launch off into a different area but following up on one poster, the GEG-Bay Area void has always befuddled me. UA tried briefly to relaunch SFO-GEG a few years back but pulled the plug. What UA is doing with GEG is a head scratcher in of itself. But I know the thought with the airport folks in GEG is there is demand for additional nonstop lift to SFO or even SJC.

WN has OAK-GEG service. I am shocked SFO-GEG didn't last considering UA serves so much of the PNW through SFO.

And regarding the OO -700 routes...it is my understanding the leases start running up at the end of the year. The longest routes will be taken over by the E175's. It has been hinted that the E175's will be replacing all the -700s in the long run. They're currently down an entire aircraft too as one was damaged a couple months ago and was scrapped due to the extent of the damage. There's almost always another in maintenance daily so they have been running 1 to 2 aircraft lines a day on -200s. AS is very happy with the OO flying as it is taking care of routes that QX and mainline can't run. I think we would have seen more -700s purchased new if it was something they were planning on sticking with.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:00 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
I don't think this is correct. There is one each shorter scheduled flight in Alaska and Hawaii. This is the shortest in the lower 48 and third shortest in the US.

I don't know where in Alaska there is such a short hop, but I am sure you are right with places just over a body of water.

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 31):
The longest routes will be taken over by the E175's. It has been hinted that the E175's will be replacing all the -700s in the long run.

I'd expect the EMB-175s will be used two ways, to open routes where the CR7 hasn't the legs, but a 737 would be overkill, like IND comes to mind or the return of PDX-DEN.

I also expect to see EMB-175s taking over routes with a premium demand like OMA-SEA. I really think the CR7s will still play a valuable role in the AS network for years to come, routes like PDX-ONT, SEA/PDX-SBA, SAN-BOI are routes that need the CR7, but the 175 would be too big for.

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 31):
AS is very happy with the OO flying as it is taking care of routes that QX and mainline can't run.

The relationship with OO is perfect for AAG, it does exactly what you stated without AS having to pony up large amounts of cash to buy new planes thus introducing a new type to the QX fleet & re-introduce another type.

I'm not a huge fan of mergers, especially when it comes to my AS, but if you look at the OO route map & the QX route map, there is a tremendous Western Carrier in the combination of those two carriers, just saying.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:45 am

Quoting atct (Reply 18):
I don't think Horizon will have problems filling classes. Good pay and industry leading quality of life will bring in quality candidates.

I'm just finishing training right now at QX and one of the instructors mentioned that things are fine in the short to medium term, but come summer/fall the applicant pool will have all but dried up. Good pay and QOL unfortunately won't even help us retain and hire new talent. There were even stories floating around from multiple sources (I never saw it so I can't claim it as fact) that SkyWest recruiters were in our new hire hotel trying to recruit people away from Horizon as we were returning from class in the afternoon.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 22):
That is news to me, but not at all surprising. I was thinking about their increased staffing needs just with the expansion they have done, I did not even consider the upwards movement by the pilots to larger planes & paychecks. I wonder how many QX pilots go on to fly with AS, I'd venture to guess, many.

I think I've talked to no less than 15 pilots in the past month and a half here at QX that are all going to AS, and most of them are First Officers. LOTS of upward movement out of here, it appears.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
I don't think this is correct. There is one each shorter scheduled flight in Alaska and Hawaii. This is the shortest in the lower 48 and third shortest in the US.

SFO-OAK used to be probably the shortest flight. They are 10-11 miles apart.

I appreciate that info. During my interview they mentioned it was the shortest but I see I stand corrected.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 32):
without AS having to pony up large amounts of cash to buy new planes thus introducing a new type to the QX fleet & re-introduce another type.

There are strong rumors (and in fact they are just that) that QX will be getting jets again. Who knows if it will ever come to fruition, but I know for certain that Dave Campbell met with Mitsubishi last month (I saw it with my own eyes) and he was said to have also met with Embraer. I know it certainly doesn't mean much of anything, but take it for whatever it's worth that meetings with jet manufacturers are at least taking place. And all the info we were given from the training department as well as the union is that they are looking at 90 seat jets to place at QX. But again, it's all just rumors and speculation with nothing even remotely concrete about the whole thing.
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:45 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 33):
I appreciate that info. During my interview they mentioned it was the shortest but I see I stand corrected.

It's indeed the shortest in the continental U.S. Maybe that's what they meant to say.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 28):

Quoting n7371f (Reply 27):
I believe the GEG-SJC was a one-stop wasn't it?

No. SJC-GEG was non-stop on a Q400.

Actually it did both, with a "round robin" 2x daily.

Am operated GEG-SMF-SJC-GEG

Pm operated GEG-SJC-SMF-GEG

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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
At one time AS used to offer mainline SEA-PSC flights.

When was that? I'm not aware that AS mainline ever went into PSC.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
At one time AS used to offer mainline SEA-PSC flights.

When was that? I'm not aware that AS mainline ever went into PSC.

It was 1985-86 short lived just about the time AS started building up QX. It was nice having an MD80 instead of a F-27 or Metroliner. AS started mainline GEG-SEA service about the same time.

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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
Can't recall if they've tried SAN-GEG, but I don't think so

Actually, more than once. The last service (daily CR7s) ended in April of 2008. QX also flew SAN-BOI around the same time but it ended in late 2007; both routes were in response to ExpressJet which also flew both routes.

SAN-BOI is again operating and apparently doing well, and is being subsidized (or at least gteed) by Boise.

The pax traffic between SAN and GEG -- just a bit under 100 PDEW during 3Q14 (per DOT) -- is just a bit less than that of SAN-BOI but I'm not expecting to see AAG serve the market.

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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:23 pm

I'm not sure WN will cave quickly on this market.
Unlike the other inter Pacific Northwest markets WN discontinued BOI - GEG has a high O&D revenue. GEG-SEA/PDX and BOI-PDX/SEA had something like 80% connecting PAX.
Which got better connecting options VIA added and additional DEN,LAS,PHX and seasonal MDW nonstops.

This has always been a head scratcher why Alaska has restarted it sooner.

IF WN does discontinue this market I think this will be replaced with Both a GEG-LAX and BOI-LAX nonstop.

I'm sure this will be one of many more new overlapping WN/AS markets thanks to AS new Network planner a X WN guy.


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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:33 pm

Whatever happened to UA's seasonal ORD-GEG? They still show it on their route map but nothing has been loaded into their schedule and it is March already...
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:43 pm

To add: Even Pasco, Wa (KPSC) has 2 non - stop flights to San Francisco (KSFO) on United Express via Skywest. Maybe Spokane, Wa can also have non - stop flights to KSFO.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Alaska Restarting BOI - GEG Service

Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):
When was that? I'm not aware that AS mainline ever went into PSC.

Yes September 1985 they started an early AM SEA-PSC-BOI-SEA routing with a 727, and then had an afternoon turn at PSC. That was time they started Tucson and LAS
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