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nitepilot79
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Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:02 pm

I was under the impression that the British Royal family usually travel on BA or some other airline. In the video linked, the plane was most certainly not in any colors I have ever seen, and it looked like a private jet livery. Did they buy themselves a new toy?

http://news.yahoo.com/video/prince-c...es-camilla-arrive-u-002947910.html

Edited for clarity.

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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:06 pm

Must be a charter. I noticed the Exit markings were in English and Portuguese...

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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting yowza (Reply 1):

As Yoda would say: "observant, you are"  
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:21 pm

Judging by the colour scheme, it could be the CS-TFY.


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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:22 pm

Since poor QE2 has reportedly used up all her cash savings to pay the heating bill for Buckingham (some story in a German newspaper a few weeks ago) she probably has no money to buy a jet.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:28 pm

The Queen and Prince of Wales get Charterd Jets and Prince William and Harry go commercial. When Prince William and Kate went to Australian and New Zealand they flew Qantas First Class from LHR to SYD via Dubai and the New Zealand Government sent a 757 for the final leg to NZ.
When the Queen went to Dublin few years ago she went by private charter.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:30 pm

It's very rare for any Royal to charter a private jet like this, usually flying scheduled, I can only assume that scheduled just wasn't an option in this case
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 3):
it could be the CS-TFY.

Given the Portuguese signage, a CS registered bird makes sense. Good find!

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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:22 pm

The outfitting of CS-TFY looks like it made for a pleasant flight: http://www.masterjet.net/site/wp-con.../2011/07/CS-TFY-AIRBUS-A320HOS.pdf

.. now cue the tabloids to get their knickers in a twist.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 8):
now cue the tabloids to get their knickers in a twist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...room-golden-taps-cost-120-000.html
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:20 pm

Depends if it's private or state, but as a general rule Buckingham Palace puts it out to tender and whoever offers the best bid wins. The Royal Flight is an option but the RAF will bill them quite a bit more then a civilian charter (Royal flight is mainly used by Ministers and Military VIPs these days)

The BA Royal 777 is only generally used for Long Hauls. Short Haul they'll use a European VIP charter (G-RAJJ for example)
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:57 pm

CS-TFY is a former JetBlue aircraft, with B6 from delivery in October 2002 until sold in November 2008.

Formerly N548JB, "Blueberry". (I believe one of B6's current tail liveries is called Blueberries.)

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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:03 pm

Around the UK they quite often borrow one of Alan Sugar's Citations..
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:06 pm

In the past Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip have often chartered a BA short-haul aircraft in standard configuration for European trips. Examples are:


A 319 G-EUPN. Italy State Visit. LHR-CIA (BA9236C) 16 Oct '00. CIA-LHR (BA9239C) 18 Oct '00

A 319 G-EUPW. Norway State Visit. LHR-OSL (BA9260C) 30 May '01. OSL-LHR (BA9261C) 1 Jun '01

A 320 G-EUUO. France State Visit. LHR-ORY (BA9222C) 6 Apr '04. ORY-TLS (to visit Airbus) (BA9223C) then TLS-LHR (BA9224C) 7 Apr '04

A 330 G-EUUO. Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting. LHR-MLA (BA9200C) 23 Nov '05. MLA-LHR (BA9202C) 26 Nov '05


It is pretty rare these days for any member of the Royal Family to use fixed wing aircraft from RAF No 32 (The Royal) Squadron. These aircraft are mostly used by the government or in active (military) service as here in Afghanistan:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/bae146-c-mk-3-29042013

However Charles in particular seems to use the 32 Squadron's helicopters from time to time.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:56 am

Very easy to tell it was not a UK flight crew as they are not wearing their hats.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:38 am

Have they ever used Titan Airways as there a London airport based charter airline with a small but mixed fleet
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:11 am

My opinion:

One of the AirTanker "surge" aircraft should be outfitted in a quick-change VIP configuration. This could operate as a commercial entity - as is planned for the surge fleet anyway - but with priority given to UK government/state transport. This would be a perfect aicraft for trade visits or head of state/govt. visits providing the necessary capacity and security.

They should also utilise the advantages of the Sentinel fleet - either buy an additional airframe for VIP configuration, or as they believe the fleet isn't wholly needed (continuous discussions of retirement), convert one to VIP use. This aircraft would be used for trips like this one in question, and as a backup/additional capacity for Head of Government state trips.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:58 am

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 16):
My opinion:

One of the AirTanker "surge" aircraft should be outfitted in a quick-change VIP configuration. This could operate as a commercial entity - as is planned for the surge fleet anyway - but with priority given to UK government/state transport. This would be a perfect aicraft for trade visits or head of state/govt. visits providing the necessary capacity and security.

BA has two dedicated Royal 772s (can't remember the regs) that are converted to include the Royal Suite in the regularly F-class section of the aircraft- producing a bedroom (complete with double bed and wardrobe) between doors 1 and 2. Some of WT is taken out to make way for the Royal luggage. CW is used for advisers and/or government officials and WT+ is often sold to members of the press if there is room left. If HM is representing the UK somewhere abroad that is a LH destination (and not representing any other of the 15 country she is Queen in), then BA usually oblige as the flag carrier to carry Her Majesty. The times BA has not carried HM on a LH trip where representing the UK, BA have been unable to schedule their aircraft being out of the system for so long.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:19 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 17):

Doesn't help our head of parliament (essentially day-to-day head of government) who still flies scheduled. Someday there will be a security incident and hindsight will be a wonderful thing.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:13 pm

quote

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 17):

It's G-ZZZA G-ZZZB and G-ZZZC it is either all 3 of them frames or just two of them
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:30 pm

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 19):
It's G-ZZZA G-ZZZB and G-ZZZC it is either all 3 of them frames or just two of them

I am not sure about this. I believe it may be G-YMMO and 'MP for two reasons and probably 'MG as well.

First the three 772As ( 'ZA to 'ZC) in the BA fleet do not have the range to operate much further than the Middle East or the Eastern Seaboard of the USA. So they would not be suitable for operating to Australia. Indeed they can only operate routes that can be flown during the day time so the Royal Suite that includes two beds would not be essential.

Second the Royal Visits to Australia were all recently operated by four-class RR powered 772ERs. So G-YMMP operated LHR-SIN-CBR (BA9101C) carrying HM Queen Elizabeth and HRH Prince Philip on 18 October 2011 on their way to the start of a State Visit in association with the subsequent Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Perth. After positioning back to LHR it then again positioned to Australia (PER) on 28 October. It then flew the Queen and Prince Philip PER-LHR (BA9104C) non-stop departing on 29 October.

Similarly G-YMMO operated LHR-SIN-CBR (BA9113C) carrying the Queen and Prince Philip on an official visit to Australia as Head of the Commonwealth on 10 March 2006. On 15 March it then flew the Royal Party CBR-MEL to attend the Opening Ceremony of the Commonwealth Games before flying them home (MEL-SIN-LHR, BA9116C) . On arrival at LHR on 18 March this aircraft was temporarily withdrawn from use.

After being parked at LHR for a few days 'MO was returned to service on 24 March. It first operated LHR-BRU (BA9117C) carrying Prime Minister Blair, Mrs Blair, his support staff and members of the British press corps to an EU summit.. Later that same day it flew the Blairs, some of his support staff and members of the press, around 60 passengers in all, BRU-MEL (BA9118C) direct. The great circle distance of this flight was 10,303 miles. This is certainly one of the longest commercial flighst recorded to date aided, of course, by its relatively light load.

After the Blairs had attended the Closing Ceremony at the Commonwealth Games this same aircraft flew them and their party MEL-AKL (BA9119C) on an official visit to New Zealand. Departing the following day:


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it flew AKL-CGK (BA9120C) taking the Blairs on a brief official visit to Indonesia. It then flew them CGK-LHR (BA9121C) arriving on 31 March. It then entered BA Maintenance at LHR before returning to scheduled operations on 4 April when it operated LHR-HRE (BA153).

Why was it parked at LHR for five days after bringing Queen Elizabeth home? Because it had been reconfigured with the Royal Suite that was retained for the PM's journey.

Why did it visit BA Maintenance after flying the Blair's home? To have the Royal Suite removed..

What about 'MG? Well it was used on a Royal Visit to the USA operating LHR-RIC (BA9148C), RIC-NGU (BA0149C), HGU-LEX (BA9150C), LEX-ADW (BA9151C) and ADW-LHR (BA9152C) in early May 2007. It was out-of-service for three days before leaving for the US (to have the Royal Suite fitted) and for three days after arriving at LHR at 11:00 on 8 May. The arrival time shows it was an overnight flight (d. ADW 23:01). So the indications are more than strong that it was fitted with the Royal Suite.

The difference between these two aircraft and standard RR powered four-class BA 772s is the F Class cabin floor. It has been adapted so that the beds, chairs and tables and dressing area that comprise the Royal Suite can be safely fitted in the cabin.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting AviationAware (Reply 4):
Since poor QE2 has reportedly used up all her cash savings to pay the heating bill for Buckingham (some story in a German newspaper a few weeks ago) she probably has no money to buy a jet.

She took the train down here to Plymouth today, must be really on a budget  


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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
New Zealand Government sent a 757 for the final leg to NZ.

Not the most Luxury Plane either, something that spend most of its time as an cargo plane!


Back in the early 90s when the Queen visited New Zealand, she flew Air New Zealand on LHR-LAX-AKL
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 18):
Someday there will be a security incident and hindsight will be a wonderful thing.

There are two ways of addressing the travel arrangements for a Head of State.

This first is to be discrete with the minimum of fuss and little or no advance information on the actual planned travel arrangements or, indeed, the final destination. An example might be the July 2010 visit of PM David Cameron to India along with other senior British politicians including George Osborne, William Hague and Vince Cable, 30 FTSE 1000 Company Chairmen or CEOs and sporting celebrities including Seb Coe and Steve Redgrave. They flew from LHR to ESB in a bog standard BA 744 (G-CIVG). After a quick visit to Turkey they all flew on the following day to the old Bangalore Hindustan Airport that had been primarily an Indian Air Force base since the new BGR airport had opened around two years earlier. The British press complained about the lack of coverage of the arrival by the Indian media. This was the result of the lack of publicity clamp down for security reasons.

At the other extreme there is, for example the arrival of President George W Bush at LHR in June 2008. For example this article was published before his arrival:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...isit-to-cause-Heathrow-misery.html

If I was travelling with a Head of State I think I might feel safer if the minimum number of other individuals know about our travel arrangements - times, destination and aircraft - rather than having all of these arrangements published in advance to the rest of the world.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:17 pm

The Royal family only owns a helicopter and it takes the personal approval of Her Majesty to get its use. The Queen is very frugal and the palace puts out bids for royal travel.

A few years ago HM flew from LHR to AKL on Air New Zealand and the plane made a fuel stop at LAX. Caused some diplomatic questions as she was not on an official "visit" and did not deplane. They refueled and off she went.

Now that HM will be 89 next month her days of long haul international travel are pretty well in the past. She does still fly within Europe and the UK but the really long trips go to the Prince of Wales or Prince William. (PS send her a card. Her birthday is April 21st and I guarantee you will get a very nice heavy vellum envelope with a letter of thanks from the Palace. Makes for a nice keepsake).
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 17):

To clarify: LH = long haul, not Lufthansa.
 
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RE: Royal Family Air Transport?

Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
A few years ago HM flew from LHR to AKL on Air New Zealand and the plane made a fuel stop at LAX. Caused some diplomatic questions as she was not on an official "visit" and did not deplane. They refueled and off she went.

Yes, during this visit however, she was acting as the Head of State for New Zealand, not the UK. Therefore, New Zealand's offical flag carrier (Air NZ) was granted with the privilege of flying HM down under.

Quoting opethfan (Reply 25):
To clarify: LH = long haul, not Lufthansa.

Yes, long-haul  

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