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787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:02 pm

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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 40 (by American 767 Feb 18 2015 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:18 pm

To start off thee new thread, when is the Oman Air 788 due to come out?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:30 pm

PH-TFM departing on a C1 customer flight.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:32 pm

Norwegian 787-8 EI-LNH ferry flight to Charleston has been rescheduled for today.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:32 pm

47-48 section for LAN 787-9 line 309 was moved from the Dreamlifter Operations Center to the factory.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:33 pm

N803AL back from a B1 flight.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:35 pm

Despite the fact that a number of people hate the new artwork, I honestly think the livery is pretty sexy on a 787.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 1):
To start off thee new thread, when is the Oman Air 788 due to come out?

I'll pick the date of Assy loading on June 26, and first flight of Sept 4th.
I used all things 787 as my reference for guesstimating.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):

Yep, https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE652
Customer Flights will be done here in Charleston and flies away next month and should be delivered next month.

[Edited 2015-03-19 14:30:17]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting airnorth (Reply 7):
I'll pick the date of Assy loading on June 26, and first flight of Sept 4th.

Close enough. Scheduled loading in first week of July. First peak at it in early Aug when he comes out of FAL.
In full paint early/mid Sep. Delivery last week of Sep/first week of Oct.
Take it with a grain of salt.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting airnorth (Reply 7):
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 9):

Skyline has Oman Air targeted for September 2015. It should be loaded sometimes in June with a rollout of July. Going to be interesting since it's I believe the first time that Charleston will be making the first 787 for a new customer. Whether they'll make a big deal out of it or not, I don't know.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:40 pm

The firing order has been updated!
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:32 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
The firing order has been updated!

Interesting stuff. ANA's final 788 and LAN's highly anticipated conversion from 788s to 789s!
Thanks as always for the info.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:38 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 13):
LAN's highly anticipated conversion from 788s to 789s!

Interesting how it went from 22 787-8s and 10 787-9s to 22 787-9s and 10 787-8s!
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:36 am

Quoting Karadion (Reply 10):
Skyline has Oman Air targeted for September 2015. It should be loaded sometimes in June with a rollout of July. Going to be interesting since it's I believe the first time that Charleston will be making the first 787 for a new customer. Whether they'll make a big deal out of it or not, I don't know.

Actually Hainan Air's first Dreamliner was built and delivered at Charleston.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting jeb94 (Reply 15):
Actually Hainan Air's first Dreamliner was built and delivered at Charleston.

The first 787 they actually took was a Charleston one, but it was built after an Everett frame that they ended up taking a month later.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:32 am

Quoting jeb94 (Reply 15):
Actually Hainan Air's first Dreamliner was built and delivered at Charleston.

Sort of. seabosdca is correct HOWEVER Boeing considers LN76 to be customer effectivity 2 instead of 1. LN73 is CE1.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:32 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
The firing order has been updated!
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 13):
Interesting stuff.

Also the 3rd 787-10 has been pulled forward (LN 565 instead of LN 600).
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
Also the 3rd 787-10 has been pulled forward (LN 565 instead of LN 600).

That's awesome. Glad to see things moving along, though that means we're all moving along as well aka getting older. haha

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:32 pm

Some other interesting things I noticed in the updated list
- Air China's first 789, ln 419 is now allocated. It has got the lowest cn of any 787 so far, cn 34305.
- Still no cn's above 44572 have been allocated, while the newest 737 allocations are in the 60000s.
- ln 339 was originally VT-ANW for Air India but will now be for American. Americans later allocations don't change so all deliveries for them should be moving a bit forward.
- ln 291 and 300 were originally for TUIFly Nordic but will now be for Thomson AW.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:37 am

This is a video of the 787-9 ZB170 flyaway on March 17th. I edited the video to stabilize it so don't find it weird if the plane "warps". I was holding my phone like an idiot with 1 hand.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:52 pm

That's nice video, really great HD stuff! Thanks for sharing Karadion!
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:06 pm

A couple of flights from KPAE bright 'n' early this morning:

1) what looks like a customer flight on ZA841 (Korean VIP 787-8, LN 11), and
2) a B-2 (?) on ZA820 (American 787-8, LN 268).
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:40 pm

Arke tweeted that they'll be taking delivery of their third 787 on the 26th, expected in AMS on the 27th, 11AM local time
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:45 pm

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 251 Aircraft to 31 Airlines & 5 VIPs – 233 787-8 & 18 787-9

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO MARCH: 247
787-8: NH-32; JL-20; QR-20; AI-19; UA–12; ET-11; CZ-10; LA-10; HU-9; BA-8; JQ-8; AC-8; DY-7; BY-7; AM-7; LO-6; KQ-6; VIP-5; RJ-5; BI-4; TG-4; AV-4; MF-2; OR-2; J2-2; AA-2; TB-1; AT-1
787-9: NZ-3; UA-3; VS-3; NH-2; EY-2; TZ-1; LA-1

MARCH DELIVERIES TO DATE: 4
L/N 272 – 9V-OJB – 3/4/2015 – TZ #2 – 787-9
L/N 267 – G-VZIG – 3/10/2015 - VS #4 – 787-9
L/N 269 – N35953 – 3/16/2015 - UA #16 – 787-9
L/N 270 – B-2760 – 3/16/2015 – MF #3 - 787-8

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 276 - CC-BGB – ZB225 - LA #12 – 787-9 – (AerCap)
L/N 281 – PH-TFM – ZA324 - OR #3 – 787-8
L/N 275 – N13954 – ZB171 - UA #17 – 787-9 (Charleston)
L/N 11 – N507BJ – ZA841 – KE #1 – 787-8 - Presidential Aircraft
L/N 255 – N802AN – ZA819 – AA #3 – 787-8
L/N 273 - VT-ANU – ZA249 - AI #20 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 274 - B-2759 – ZA439 - HU #10 – 787-8
L/N 277 - A7-BCU – ZA480 - QR #21 – 787-8
L/N 283 - ET-ASH – ZA847 - ET #12 – 787-8 – (AerCap)
L/N 279 – EI-LNH – ZA652 - DY #8 – 787-8 - (Charleston)
L/N 268 – N803AL – ZA820 – AA #4 – 787-8
L/N 282 – B-2761 – ZA683 – MF #4 - 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 278 – VH-VKJ – ZA223 - JQ #9 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 280 - JA836A – ZB407 - NH #35 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 286 – A6-BLC – ZB079 – EY #3 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 285 – CN-RGC – ZA153 - AT #2 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 288 – N804AN – ZA821 – AA #5 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 284 – 9V-OJC – ZB129 – TZ #3 – 787-9 (Charleston) Awaiting first flight
L/N 287 – HS-TQE – ZA592 – TG #5 – 787-8 – (AerCap) Awaiting first flight
L/N 290 – N805AN – ZA822 – AA #6 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 293 – VP-BDA – ZB299 – VIP #6 – 787-9 Kalair (BBJ) Awaiting first flight
L/N 292 - A7-BCV – ZA481 - QR #22 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 289 – 5Y-KZG – ZA661 - KQ #7 – 787-8 (Charleston) Awaiting first flight
L/N 296 – G-VYUM – ZB031 - VS #5 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-005 & ZB001-002 & 021)

Since A-Net hasn’t updated their IATA airline codes in years, please see the following translations:
BY - Thomson Airways (part of TUI Airlines)
DY - Norwegian Air Shuttle
OR – Arke (part of TUI Airlines)
TB – Jetairfly (part of TUI Airlines)
TZ – Scoot
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:06 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 11):

Is Kalair an actual airline? Or are they a leasing company of some sort?

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):

IK what the LN number is, but Can anyone elaborate on what the CN number stands for? Is it in order or random?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 26):
but Can anyone elaborate on what the CN number stands for? Is it in order or random?

CN is construction number. I've never quite got my head around the way they are assigned, but I think it is based on when the aircraft is ordered; you see (for example in MEA 707's post, copied below), that CA has got a very low CN, whereas others (including aircraft beside it on the line), might have a much higher one. I can only guess that CA was a very early customer for the 787?

Quoting MEA-707" class="quote" target="_blank">MEA-707 (Reply 20):
- Air China's first 789, ln 419 is now allocated. It has got the lowest cn of any 787 so far, cn 34305.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:46 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 26):
Is Kalair an actual airline? Or are they a leasing company of some sort?

Its a VIP type airline. They currently operate a 767:


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:52 pm

Boeing calls it Serial Number. Not sure why you're calling it Construction Number. It's a unique manufacturing identification number assigned to the airplane. Line Numbers can change, customers can change, etc but the serial number will always be fixed to that specific plane. It's a way to provide traceability.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:41 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Interesting how it went from 22 787-8s and 10 787-9s to 22 787-9s and 10 787-8s!

Is this quantity final? The firing order so far reflects only 10 787-9s. Boeing hasn't yet reflected any conversion on its website, and two of the teen 787-8s are still allocated to LAN.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:06 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 30):

LATAM's management publicly stated that the company will not take delivery of anymore 787-8s and "going forward" they will only take delivery of 787-9s, (during this year LAN will receive seven 787-9s and during 2016 LAN will receive six 787-9s)...
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:08 pm

Quoting Karadion (Reply 29):

I always thought like you and when I see C/n I say serial number in my head, but if it was a serial number, it would be S/n, not C/n.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:38 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 32):

Correct, which I was kind of responding to this

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
- Air China's first 789, ln 419 is now allocated. It has got the lowest cn of any 787 so far, cn 34305.
- Still no cn's above 44572 have been allocated, while the newest 737 allocations are in the 60000s.

It seems people are reading way too much into the "cn" aka the Serial Number. There's really no order or system behind it. The contract people are the ones that comes up with it. The lowest serial # is a 707 that is currently active by the Israeli Air Force. Serial Number 17625. The biggest block that's consistent are:

32545 - 32542 - 94 Southwest 737-700's
35043 - 34974 - 70 Ryanair 737-800's
27835 - 27897 - 63 Southwest 737-700's
29798 - 29856 - 59 Southwest 737-700's

Now that's at least what I can tell. A lot of planes changes hands so it breaks up the consistency because there's Tier 1 owners and Tier 2 owners as well as Tier 1 operators and Tier 2 operators. Tier 1 owners are the ones who purchased the airframe and is going to operate it themselves or lease it out. Tier 2 owner is one that purchased it from a previous owner and is operating themselves or leasing it out. Then Tier 1 operator is the ones that are operating it which they can be either the owner or leasee whereas Tier 2 customers are either a new owner or leasee that is operating it ie AirTran 727 switching to Southwest now Delta.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:58 pm

Interesting to note that three of the four planes delivered this month are -9s. That's 75%
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting 777X (Reply 34):
Interesting to note that three of the four planes delivered this month are -9s. That's 75%

Don't get too excited, there is a big group of -8s right behind...  
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting boefan (Reply 36):
Status of N802AN at VCV

I thought Boeing sends the 787s for WiFi installation (and paint) to VCV. Why did they wrap up N802AN then? Is the installation going to take that long? Or are they storing the plane until AA is ready to take delivery of it?


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:29 pm

Quoting LTH (Reply 37):
Why did they wrap up N802AN then? Is the installation going to take that long? Or are they storing the plane until AA is ready to take delivery of it?


I saw somewhere that AA isn't taking anymore 787s until their pilots are fully certified by the FAA. Though I'm not entire sure if that is 100% accurate.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:05 pm

Well AA isn't planning to start 787 revenue service until May. Since that's the case there is no point to take delivery (and hand over money to Boeing) sooner than is necessary. That's probably why they're being stored.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting LTH (Reply 37):
I thought Boeing sends the 787s for WiFi installation (and paint) to VCV.

No all that is done at Everett.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:02 pm

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:17 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 39):
Well AA isn't planning to start 787 revenue service until May. Since that's the case there is no point to take delivery (and hand over money to Boeing) sooner than is necessary. That's probably why they're being stored.










I'm kinda puzzled about AA's intentions with their 788's

There could be 4-6 788's on property by the time they launch their PEK and EZE
flights in June. Surely, there are more destinations than that planned?

They don't need 4-6 jets for just those 2 routes, do they?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:41 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 39):
Well AA isn't planning to start 787 revenue service until May. Since that's the case there is no point to take delivery (and hand over money to Boeing) sooner than is necessary. That's probably why they're being stored.

AA is having huge problems with Zodiac. the 772 refurb program has been put on hold as a result and Zodiac's attention has been focused exclusively on getting the 788s fitted. My guess would be that the frames are stored in VCV as they await their seats from Zodiac.

This also trickles down to scheduled flights. Until AA has firm guarantees for Zodiac seat delivery dates, its unlikely to commit to a scheduled entry into service of the frames. Fair to assume that things will iron themselves out as the year goes by and that AA will end 2015 with 11-12 788s in service. The million $ question is the pace at which they'll enter service.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:31 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 43):
AA is having huge problems with Zodiac.

Yes, and not only AA is having issues with Zodiac.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...zodiac-seats-idUSL6N0WK45720150318

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:54 am

Nice photo of LN 285:


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:21 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 43):
AA is having huge problems with Zodiac.

Everyone is having huge problems with Zodiac. When the tied for #1 seat vendor doesn't meet production promises... However, that said seats are a supply chain bottleneck. Zodiac is just the poster child. The narrowbody production ramp is going to further strain the supply.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:03 pm

LAN's second 787-9 CC-BGB (ZB225 ) will soon depart KPAE on its delivery flight to SCL as LAN1345:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1345
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 41

Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:42 pm

Looks like Hainan is buying/leasing the 787-9. See my latest blog post for more information.
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