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Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:30 am

The Crimea authorities are planning to set up their own airline to serve Russia. They are looking at the SSJ.

http://airlines.einnews.com/article/256070666/I4r4wO7g2qx33Fme
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:48 am

i flew to crimea a few days ago with red wings and their TU-204. i had a nice chat with the crew and they said that the superjet falls under the western sanctions, because of the amount of western parts in it.

now that is what the guys of wz told me, don't know if this is right. but all other airlines bring their boeings and airbus to SIP, and there are lots of western parts in those for sure.

if so, than the sanctions are in place to harm their top product superjet. actually it is a shame that the west doesn't sanction airlines that operate boeing and airbus to the crimea.

and out of solidarity, the us government should buy some an-148 and an-158, those would be cool in us navy livery. unfortunately solidarity with ukraine won't get to this level.
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:12 pm

Mmmh, talk about a thread where it is easy not to dwell into politics...

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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 1):
if so, than the sanctions are in place to harm their top product superjet. actually it is a shame that the west doesn't sanction airlines that operate boeing and airbus to the crimea.

Yeah right, I'll be waiting for that to happen.
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:06 pm

There are now so many small European flag carriers struggling that it would be suicide for them to start one. What Crimea has a population of about 2 million? Bigger have failed.

[Edited 2015-03-22 09:10:36]
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:13 pm

I don't think this airline will become true..... time will tell about this story!
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:11 pm

Crimea has so many problems right now that an airline shouldn't be a priority. A regional carrier, at least in theory, should make the region more popular, if in the name only. This most likely would be funded by Aeroflot or one of its subsidiaries. I doubt this airline would fly to the rest of Europe either, at least in the beginning.

Regarding the SSJ, does anyone know what are the sanctions that are in effect?
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:56 am

Why? It is called Aeroflot, for now anyways.
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:03 am

There used to be a Crimea Airlines.
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:37 am

They want an airline? So do I.

In all seriousness, though -- they don't have the money to get if off the ground and even if they did, they don't have the pax to make it viable.
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:21 am

Quoting yenne09 (Thread starter):

The Crimea authorities are planning to set up their own airline to serve Russia.

Fantastic. Just what the region needs, after all the other Russian carriers piled on service to the area. All completely of their own volition and detailed analysis 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:55 am

I have a feeling this is more of a political statement. A flag carrier to assert their pseudo-independence, in all likelihood funded and manned by Russia.

Now if they could get some old Tu-134 or-154 back in the air, that'd get me excited...
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:56 pm

Maybe the new airline will be based in UKS instead of SIP. Sevastopol/Belbek airport is much more attractive for tourists, visiting the southern part of Crimea. Simferopol is more a industrial city. The distance between both cities is mere 50 kms, but they could develop UKS airport. That would be an interesting idea.
There is still a problem allowing international flights to land in Crimea. Turkish moved its flights to Kherson Airport, in (Ukrainian) Kherson, while some other people takes international flights from Anapa (AAQ) or domestic flights from SIP to any airport in Moscow and from there flight internationally, even to Kiev.
I heard the rail connection between Crimea and Ukraine has been suspended, don't know if roads are still opened.
The ferry going from Kerch to Russia has increased to one trip every 3 hours (in low season) and once hourly (in summer). Though there are no ferries using Sevastopol harbour anymore (there used to be some to Odessa, Constante (Romania), Batumi (Georgia) and even to some turkish cities.
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 1):
they said that the superjet falls under the western sanctions, because of the amount of western parts in it.

It's definitely possible. I work a lot on EAR/ITAR export control restrictions, and the US can impose its restrictions on foreign products if a certain percentage of what's inside it is made in the US ("De Minimis"). I am sure other western countries have this as well.
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:42 pm

It is possible.
But we are not there yet.
If the sanctions mentioned above are imposed, it will be quite a serious development.
Obviously, Sukhoi and Irkut have back-up plans.
But I hope we will not reach that point of confrontation.
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:01 pm

I thought Aeroflot was automatic when you got reabsorbed into the USSR?
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:49 pm

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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:41 pm

Most likely just a dream, given current circumstances. But it surely would make life little easier for people to fly directly from Crimea, then to transfer (say at Moscow).

Quoting B8887 (Reply 2):
Mmmh, talk about a thread where it is easy not to dwell into politics...

....so don't. There is a Non-Av forum for that.

Quoting beatyair (Reply 7):
It is called Aeroflot, for now anyways.

I think that if Aeroflot would start flights from Crimea to other destinations (it's routing from Moscow is considered fine as it started/operated prior to the conflict), it may be a subject to sanctions/block of overflight rights, etc. Just not worth it.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):

Now if they could get some old Tu-134 or-154 back in the air, that'd get me excited...

That would be great, but I am certain any new airline will most likely fly to Russia only. So you may experiene Tu-134/154 ride, but most likely from Russia only.
 
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:27 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 9):

They want an airline? So do I.

In all seriousness, though -- they don't have the money to get if off the ground and even if they did, they don't have the pax to make it viable.

I think that Russia will create an airline or maybe revive Crimea Air. It may be all about political statements and prestige, but I think it will happen.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):

I have a feeling this is more of a political statement. A flag carrier to assert their pseudo-independence, in all likelihood funded and manned by Russia.

  

Quoting eielef (Reply 12):
Maybe the new airline will be based in UKS instead of SIP. Sevastopol/Belbek airport is much more attractive for tourists, visiting the southern part of Crimea. Simferopol is more a industrial city. The distance between both cities is mere 50 kms, but they could develop UKS airport. That would be an interesting idea.

I traveled to Crimea by car once and a couple of times by train, from Odessa. I seem to remember that two train tickets and a sleeper berth on the overnight train were 20 or 30 dollars. Not a lot for what you get.

I agree...Simferopol is a pretty boring city, but Sevestopol, is a whole different kettle of fish. It's almost seems Mediterranean and there is plenty to see. You can take a tour through the harbour where the Russian, (and formerly Ukraine as well), Black Sea Fleet is docked. It's a pretty good tourist destination...as long as you take into account that it's a pretty poor region, and some of the facilities show that.

One of my favorite visits was to Yalta. Among other things, thats where the Romanov's winter palace still is, and walking through that was something special. It's also where that famous picture of Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin, sitting on a bench. That courtyard and bench are still there....though you can only view them through a window.

Still, that was pretty darned cool.
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RE: Crimea Wants To Have His Own Airline

Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:19 pm

currently WZ operates it's T20 to SIP, since those don't fall under the "sanctions". from what i have seen, they current demand (i was there in february, way out of season) could justify 10 flights per day with UN's 744 with 522 seats, so there is definitely demand for travel to crimea, and until the land connection via the straight of kerch isn't achieved, air travel will be a vital means of transportation to crimea.
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