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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am

Getting into problems leaving the sea, heading into mountains, I assume if the crew had any control over the plane they would have tried to go back to the water and land in Marseille or in the Waters directly before there, wouldn't they?

What a sad News.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:44 am

This plane was on its way to my hometown Düsseldorf. Terrible news, RIP to all on board.
Relatives at Dus Airport are already treated psychologically and have been separated from public. This is a very sad day.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:45 am

Some time ago read about an LH 320 going on uncontrolled dive from altitude, loosing several thousand feet. That was also enroute from Spain, if I remember correctly and because of some frozen indicators and autopilot disagreement.

Surely this can't be the same here. Hopefully someone survived this crash.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:45 am

Quoting seat64k (Reply 71):
This is a bit far from the crash site, but just something to consider: I flew from TXL to LHR this morning, and while it was apparently clear skies - blue sky from horizon to horizon - when viewed from below, it was very hazy once in the air. Lost sight of the ground pretty soon after take-off.


Here the actual weather data from the location. At the moment still quiet fine, but clouds are increasing at the moment and in about 5 hours it will start snowing!

https://sdthumbs.ui-static.net/legacy/_/12.9241853.302.jpg/294Tk_G-gfaOK--Tx3VKhg/1427324400/tf3

https://sdthumbs.ui-static.net/legacy/_/11.9579163.302.jpg/EWEl0_e_6l5Id9NolYwfjA/1427324400/tf3

Source: www.ubimet.com

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:45 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 87):

I've occasionally done up to 6000ft/min descent rate in the A320. 3-4000ft/min is not unusual in my opinion.
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 105):
I've occasionally done up to 6000ft/min descent rate in the A320. 3-4000ft/min is not unusual in my opinion.

Yes, me too. But I usually stay between 2500-3000 ft/min. Better for the cabin rate controller and the comfort. But 6000 is easily possible, especially if you use the speedbrake...

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:47 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 87):

So please lets not jump to conclusions or any accusations.

It is a sad day and I am really shocked as it is the LH Group and I am working for LH. Still not sure if I know anybody of the crew...

wilco737

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This is a very very sad day.

       
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:47 am

Carsten Spohr is making announcements over Facebook...

"We do not know exactly what happened to Flight 4U 9525. Our thoughts are now with all the relatives and friends of our passengers and crew. We will do everything possible in order to provide further information."

Thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of the passengers and crew.

What a terrible week for the Lufthansa group...coinciding with the busy Easter break travel season.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:48 am

No no no   this is terrible news. RIP to all those on board
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 98):
Germanwings and Dus Airport websites still down. Nothing yet on LH.

https://twitter.com/lufthansa
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:51 am

Quoting airkas1 (Reply 47):
"Germanwings declared emergency at 1047 local, descending from FL380 to 5000 feet, says French DGAC"
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 66):
A distress call was received by ATC at 9:47 UTC.http://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/580328492543393793

According to the FR24 tracking, that would be at the end of the descent. If this information is correct it might indicate that the crew was not aware of the descent. Is that possible? Or is it rather an indication that the crew was struggling and doing the call in the last seconds?
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:53 am

SDIS 13 sends a team
A group of Firefighters from Bouches-du-Rhône are getting ready to leave to go to the scene of the A320 crash in the Alpes-de-Haute-Provence. The group will include members of the reconnaissance group and perilous based intervention (Grimp), specialists in lighting, disincarceration, rescue along with a medical team.

La Provence live updates.
http://www.laprovence.com/article/ac...s-les-alpes-de-haute-provence.html
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:58 am

Spanish media says that there were 42 Spaniards on board. Hollande had said the majority of passengers (and I assume the whole crew) were German nationals.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:02 pm

La Provence latest updates:

No home has been affected by the airliner's crash
A reminder, the plane crashed in the mountains of the Three Bishops, specifically East of the town of Vernet. No home has been affected.

According to the mayor of Prads, the nearest town from the scene of the accident, "all aid is directed to the town of Vernet because access to the crash site is easier." The command center was installed in the Youth Hostel of La Seyne-les-Alpes. the bodies will be repatriated to La Seyne-les-Alpes.

http://www.laprovence.com/article/ac...s-les-alpes-de-haute-provence.html

A tragedy!

 

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:02 pm

ASN states first flight for this plane 1990-11-29 making it one of the oldest in 4U fleet
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:04 pm

Technical question regarding that A321 incident from last autumn: the one which involved an uncommanded descent. Did that a/c also suffer a freeze of the directional controls? Or did the a/c just go into a descent, with other controls unaffected?

[Edited 2015-03-24 05:07:51]
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:05 pm

La Provence:
The French Secretary of State for Transport has confirmed that there are no survivors in the crash.

http://www.laprovence.com/article/ac...s-les-alpes-de-haute-provence.html
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:06 pm

This is why--as I said earlier--we need to find the black boxes and look at the data as soon as possible. And hope the recorders kept on recording right up to the time of the crash.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:06 pm

Quoting radone (Reply 115):
ASN states first flight for this plane 1990-11-29 making it one of the oldest in 4U fleet

LH transferred a lot of their older A320s to 4U. 4U does also have new builts. Generally they have A320s from a lot of different sources, which can also be seen by their regs.

LH is flying some older A320s, however, like D-AIPA, which is from 1989.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:06 pm

Worst reporting in history on CBS News This Morning regarding the safety of this LCC where they went on to crucify LCCs and misquote everyone in the industry. Wish I caught the name of the reporter.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:08 pm

My prayers to all the victims and their loved ones.

Edit: the photo someone posted is now gone, I am guessing not a photo of this crash.

[Edited 2015-03-24 05:13:45]
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:10 pm

Hm. Odd. Descent starts near the coastline yet the aircraft continues on it's flightpath into high terrain.

Either loss of control or flight crew incapacitation could account for that - but this does not explain why the aircraft entered the descent at all... ^^

Shocking, to say the least.

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:10 pm

Seems that Germanwings will hold a press conference in Cologne at 15:00 local time.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:12 pm

45 persons on board were Spaniard, according to spanish government
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 121):
That photo isn't what I would expect the plane to look like from a crash at full speed into a mountain,

What photo?
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 124):
What photo?

A photo that has since been deleted.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:14 pm

Can anyone track if D-AIPX did GWI9524 (DUS->BCN) before the fatal flight?
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 124):
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 125):

It was deleted as it showed NOT the GWI accident, but another crash from many years ago.

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
Seems that Germanwings will hold a press conference in Cologne at 15:00 local time.

Confirmed.

Une conférence de presse à 15h
Germanwings tiendra une conférence à 15h à l'aéroport Cologne-Bonn.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting ariis (Reply 126):
Can anyone track if D-AIPX did GWI9524 (DUS->BCN) before the fatal flight?

Yes, it did.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting ariis (Reply 126):
Can anyone track if D-AIPX did GWI9524 (DUS->BCN) before the fatal flight?

Yes it did: http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/d-aipx
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:17 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 124):
What photo?
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 125):
A photo that has since been deleted.

A photo from the Atlasjet 4203 crash, as deduced by a reverse picture search.


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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:19 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 129):
Yes, it did.
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 130):
Yes it did: http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/d-aipx

Thanks, guys!

Horrible news...  
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:20 pm

This is very sad.

If FlightRadar is to be trusted this feels like three things happened. Rapid decompression, failure of pilot oxygen, and an incorrect altitude input into the AP.

The fact it held a constant heading is nearly impossible with any flight control issue.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:20 pm

Wow.

What a year in aviation... after a few years of pretty darn good safety performance (in terms of fatalities), there have been a bunch of most-or-complete fatality crashes in just about 1 years' time...
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:22 pm

La Provence/MétéoFrance
A change of weather is expected at the crash site. They are expecting snow.
"The summits will get snagged by cumulus early afternoon with a disturbance later of snow (5 cm). After a lull in the night, a another disturbance (snow) should happen. the snow level is at 1700m for this afternoon and is expected to go down to 1200-1500m in the night. "
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:22 pm

I am shocked. This is likely the worst accident that ever happened to a LH airline.

Does anybody know if PX already underwent the LH-specific A320 life extension program?
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:24 pm

A French pilot just said that since pilots have sent an emergency message when the aircraft was already below 7,000ft, it could mean they were very busy trying to solve the situation.

It went from 30,000 to 6,800 in less than 9 minutes.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:24 pm

Looks like controlled flight into terrain. Pilots did not divert from route, not even tried to get out of the mountain area and descended right into the mountains. If it is true that they send a distress call right before impact, it means that they tried to get control back, but then realized they won't and send a call out. Terrible.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:26 pm

Fox saying it is an A380 in the scrolling text, but at least they are showing an A320 stock footage. I noticed that after after the Turkish crash in Amsterdam too, CNN was showing A380. It's like the networks cannot wait for an A380 crash.... It's frustrating as it is something so easy to get right, but is always gotten wrong by the media.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:27 pm

Quoting na (Reply 136):
This is likely the worst accident that ever happened to a LH airline.

DOn't forget the 747 at NBO.
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:27 pm

Lufthansa @lufthansa · 57m 57 minutes ago
"...on 4U 9525. If our fears are confirmed, this is a dark day for Lufthansa. We hope to find survivors.“ Carsten Spohr 2/2

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:28 pm

Very sad day. Hoping for the best for all involved but going down in that kind of terrain is very unforgiving. The profile of the descent is troubling as is the lack of communication subsequent to the original distress call. I hope the cause can be determined quickly and the FDR's are intact and yield good information.

The coverage on US domestic news is awful. Started out with MSNBC but they said they the plane was a 68k feet and Mika B kept calling it a Boeing after being corrected by two guest so changed to Fox. They said the plan was at 2000 meters "latitude" so changed to CNN. CNN seems to be the most reasonable and coherent at this point. At least until trot in Richard Quest who seems to perpetually over caffeinated.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:28 pm

Quoting Sligo (Reply 119):
Worst reporting in history on CBS News This Morning regarding the safety of this LCC where they went on to crucify LCCs and misquote everyone in the industry. Wish I caught the name of the reporter.

CNN was trying to get Mary Schiavo or Richard Quest this morning to say that the plane had diverted from its course because it didn't fly in a straight line from Barcelona to Dusseldorf on the map...
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:30 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 140):
DOn't forget the 747 at NBO.

I meant in terms of deaths. The Nairobi crash of 1974 claimed less than half as many deaths than is feared now.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:34 pm

Given the rate of descent and the 400kt airspeed, could indicate that they used the spoilers for the descent

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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting aw70 (Reply 115):

If I understood correctly it was a freezing of the AoA sensors which led to the flight protection envelope to impose a nose-down control input.
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:34 pm

Now we're getting the stupid news anchors who have no idea asking incredulously of the "experts" - what about flying over the Alps? As if it's a shocking fact that aircraft fly over mountains  
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:35 pm

Very sad. RIP to all the victims.

This reminds me of the Helios Airways flight 522 crash back in 2005. The sequence of events seams similar: steady flight, then a descent without changing the flight path/speed and finally a crash into a mountain. Only difference would be that the Helios flight crashed after a fuel starvation, which I don't think is likely here.
 
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RE: Germanwings A320 Crashed Enroute BCN-DUS! Part 1

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:37 pm

Really concerning. It seems that the crew was unable to regain control of the airplane for 10 minutes.

A computer glitch?

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