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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:17 am
by aircanadaa330
I just saw this online...

http://rt.com/news/244953-air-canada-crash-halifax/

"Air Canada flight 624 is believed to have crashed on a runway at Halifax Stanfield International Airport in Canada, according to numerous social media reports. The plane reportedly hit power lines and sustained extensive damage upon crash-landing."

any truth to this report?

[Edited 2015-03-28 21:43:47]

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:25 am
by jfidler
Here is a live blog from CBC: http://live.cbc.ca/Event/CBC_NS

It looks like the report is accurate.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:28 am
by bleudefrance
Apparently the airport is without power.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:28 am
by aircanadaa330
early reports indicate they plane clipped a power line.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:29 am
by StrandedAtMKG
Halifax Chronicle-Herald reports that it was a runway overrun, no injuries. Also reporting that the power is out at the airport.

http://twitter.com/chronicleherald/status/582033636830117889

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:29 am
by bleudefrance


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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:33 am
by kaitak
Flightradar24 identifies it as C-FTJP, an A320. Landed at 00.02 this morning, inbound from YYZ.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:36 am
by MKEdude
From what we are now seeing the term "crash" seems to be a bit misleading. RT is not exactly known for its accurate and thoughtful reporting. On a positive note it seems that there are no reports of injuries. Good news.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:39 am
by ipodguy7
Please change the title of the thread, incredibly misleading if only a runway overrrun with (thankfully) no injuries.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:40 am
by Miami
Quote:
Confirms AC624, YYZ-YHZ exited runway upon landing at Halifax. All passengers have deplaned, going to terminal. More updates to come.

twitter.com/AirCanada

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:51 am
by osiris30
Reports include aircraft clipping powerlines. That would be a bit more than an overrun. Hitting static structures on the ground would usually count as an actual crash would it not?

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:04 am
by Whiteguy
Quoting osiris30 (Reply 10):

Reports include aircraft clipping powerlines. That would be a bit more than an overrun. Hitting static structures on the ground would usually count as an actual crash would it not?


No, it would not........

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:17 am
by osiris30
Quoting whiteguy (Reply 11):
No, it would not........

Any idea what the Of what the clearance is between the runway and power infrastructure for the airport? Also some reports from pax that they hit powerlines on approach... But I would find that incredible if true.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:28 am
by Whiteguy
Quoting osiris30 (Reply 12):

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 11):
No, it would not........

Any idea what the Of what the clearance is between the runway and power infrastructure for the airport? Also some reports from pax that they hit powerlines on approach... But I would find that incredible if true.


No, I'm not going to speculate on any of the above. This just happened and all the info the media is getting is from pax and Twitter feeds. I've heard it hit power lines on approach, after going off the end, after exiting off the side, power lines across a road, power lines across the tarmac, one wing ripped completely off and, oh yeah, it crashed.......

How about we all give it little bit of time before we start measuring distances between the runway and power lines in the area that may, or may not have anything to do with this incident......

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:38 am
by ek241yyz
Quoting osiris30 (Reply 12):
they hit powerlines on approach.

And my question would be, what happened that made them hit powerlines on approach. I wonder..

Plane is destroyed or somewhat intact btw?

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:08 am
by AS739BSI
Based on what I am seeing from Google Street View from the looks of where lines are at either end of the main runway, my guess is they might have come in just a little too low? Again, speculation given I do not know Halifax that well and being an outsider but given the report of hitting power lines, I only see the small ones that are on the way in.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:22 am
by lostsound
Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 14):
Plane is destroyed or somewhat intact btw?

Partially destroyed. Definitely a write off.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBPhZmYVEAAVBv_.png:large

Source: http://rt.com/news/244953-air-canada-crash-halifax/

Link includes several tweets on the incident and some photos of a blacked out YHZ.

[Edited 2015-03-28 23:23:35]

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:32 am
by Miami
Here's another pic..

Ouch...




https://twitter.com/AngMacIvorCBC

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:37 am
by ek241yyz
METAR CYHZ 290500Z 33021G27KT 1 1/2SM -SN DRSN BKN013 OVC027 M06/M07 A2968 RMK SC6SC2 /S13/ SLP058=

Not the best weather either...but managable I'd think?

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:37 am
by lostsound
Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 8):
Please change the title of the thread, incredibly misleading if only a runway overrrun with (thankfully) no injuries.

In my opinion this could be considered a crash. It may have slammed into the runway, not overrun it according to the photos.

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:50 am
by briguychau
METAR from time of incident

METAR CYHZ 290300Z CCA 34019G25KT 1/4SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038=

Heavy snow, low visibility (1/4 miles), and strong winds may have been a factor?

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:55 am
by ek241yyz
Quoting briguychau (Reply 20):

Woops, I screwed up time change on that one.

My guess is windshear.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:13 am
by Acey
Quoting briguychau (Reply 20):
Heavy snow, low visibility (1/4 miles), and strong winds may have been a factor?

Trying to figure out what runway they landed on. There is a 7,700 ft runway 32 but they might have been below minimums for that as it has no ILS, only RNAV. Runway 23 has a cat II ILS.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:29 am
by kaitak
First Air Canada hull loss since Cincinnati (32 years ago)? Can't recall any others, because the Gimli Glider was repaired and flew again.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:51 am
by N1120A
The plane is done, but another testament to the ability of modern airliners to withstand a whole lot and protect the occupants.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:42 am
by AC_B777
Quoting kaitak (Reply 23):
First Air Canada hull loss since Cincinnati (32 years ago)? Can't recall any others, because the Gimli Glider was repaired and flew again.

We lost a CRJ back in 1997 during a landing accident in Fredricton, NB. That a/c was landing in a snowstorm and departed the runway and slammed into a tree. Thankfully all survived.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19971216-0

Glad to hear no one was killed or seriously injured in YHZ.

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:49 am
by Acey
There are power lines about 1,000 feet before the threshold of 32. If they hit those, that's quite an undershoot and I'm not sure if that means they plowed through the localizer antenna for 14 as well. Passenger said something like, "we hit power lines, there was a flash, and the plane bounced before eventually coming to a stop."

Approach chart for the LPV RNAV approach to runway 32 showing 1 mile vis minimum, metar at the time of landing apparently was 3/4 of a mile.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:23 am
by chrcaremanav
Hi! Yes the weather was not the best and Halifax last week received one of the worst snow storm in years and it was snowing again tonight, so it compounded somewhat. Good news there is no fatalities but some Injured Passengers though. But it seems nothing major. I live in the Atlantic Provinces here in Canada, it has been a hard winter for the Southern and North Eastern part of the Atlantic Provinces. Here in the North West we were more lucky, but the Siberian Cold was there everyday. Here is the complete article and latest news of this crash. Thanks and take care.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ifax-23-sent-to-hospital-1.3013979

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:33 am
by ghajdufi
We have a photo in the database already:


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Photo © Daniel MacFarlane


Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:37 am
by brilondon
Depending on the source there were 23 or 25 people injured in the crash.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:49 am
by Unclekoru
Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 21):
Quoting briguychau (Reply 20):

Woops, I screwed up time change on that one.

My guess is windshear.

With only a 6 knot gust factor, windshear does't exactly jump out as a likely factor.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:54 am
by Francoflier
Quoting briguychau (Reply 20):
Heavy snow, low visibility (1/4 miles), and strong winds may have been a factor?

You think?
 

That's a cruddy day to be flying...
Glad everyone is ok.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:38 am
by Kaiarahi
Quoting Lostsound (Reply 16):
Definitely a write off.

Are you an aircraft engineer?

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:39 am
by kl911
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 32):
Are you an aircraft engineer?

Well, I read in the news that a wing has been ripped off, that sounds like a write off

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:48 am
by PlymSpotter
This looks like a pretty serious crash landing, glad to see that most people have walked away uninjured.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 32):

Quoting Lostsound (Reply 16):
Definitely a write off.

Are you an aircraft engineer?

We are talking about a 24 year old A320 with very significant structural damage. It doesn't take an engineer to deduce that this one is a write off.


Dan  

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:48 am
by KarelXWB
First high-res photo of the aircraft:


Untitled by TSBCanada, on Flickr


Untitled by TSBCanada, on Flickr

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:54 am
by a320fan
Ouch  

Way worse than I was expecting by the fairly calm title, This aircraft is a mess.

Look at engine 2  Wow! looks like it's been put in an industrial blender.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:58 am
by KarelXWB
Quoting A320fan (Reply 36):
looks like it's been put in an industrial blender.

Yeah, not much engine left.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBP-6-KUkAE5vzE.jpg:large
http://twitter.com/robwickstrom/status/582089079971557376

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:00 pm
by sudden
Due to recent tragedy earlier this week I bet media will now question if the A320, or even the whole Airbus family, is a safe plane and all that BS that they usually come up with just to be able to have something to gossip about for days.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:05 pm
by AC_B777
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):

First high-res photo of the aircraft:

Looking at the second picture, it looks like there's a section of the approach lighting structure embedded where the nose cone used to be!

Quoting kl911 (Reply 33):
I read in the news that a wing has been ripped off, that sounds like a write off

You can't believe everything you read...In the limited amount of pictures I've seen, it looks like both left and right wings are still attached to the a/c however, both are obviously highly damaged. But I will agree with you, even though I'm not an engineer, I suspect this frame is a write off.
Looking at pictures on AV Herald, the right horizontal stabilizer is almost fully missing.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=483e7337&opt=0

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:06 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
Ouch, this must be the end of that 1991 bird's career. Really curious to learn what happened.

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...bus/A320/233,C-FTJP-Air-Canada.php

When was the last time this kind of accident happened in Canada to a canadian registered aircraft? The last I can think of is Canadian DC-10 at YVR, but the outcome was not as terrible as this one since the DC-10 was repaired.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:09 pm
by roseflyer
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 32):

Quoting Lostsound (Reply 16):
Definitely a write off.

Are you an aircraft engineer?


I am an aircraft engineer and I can tell you that the wing is not repairable. In general if the spare is broken, the wing usually cannot be structurally repaired with adequate fatigue life. Even if the spare is not broken, there is so much structural damage to the leading edge and pylon that it would be virtually impossible to design a Transport Cnada approved repair. The only way to get it flying is get a new wing, and that won't ever make financial sense.

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:15 pm
by B747forever
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
First high-res photo of the aircraft:

Looks very serious. Hopefully there were only minor injuries.

Do we know if it was an overrun or if they undershoot the runway?

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:20 pm
by KPDX
Not trying to be an armchair NTSB investigator, but this definitely seems more like a crash than an overrun to me.

I could be wrong, of course... but that looks pretty substantial.

Glad it didn't turn it worse.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:24 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
Quoting B747forever (Reply 42):
Do we know if it was an overrun or if they undershoot the runway?

"touched down before the runway threshold and came to a stop past the threshold of the runway near taxiway B about 300 meters down the runway."

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=483e7337&opt=0

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:56 pm
by burnsie28
Quoting Acey (Reply 26):
Passenger said something like, "we hit power lines, there was a flash, and the plane bounced before eventually coming to a stop."

While it may have been true, not sure how the pax knew that as it would likely of happened too fast and a lot of times in incidents passengers always over exaggerate things.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 33):
Well, I read in the news that a wing has been ripped off, that sounds like a write off

News reports said that in that Delta incident at LGA the other week that the left or right wing (can't remember which) was completely ripped off.. yet it wasn't even close.

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:57 pm
by FDH
I don't know how reliable is this site but there is a map showing where the accident occurred at the airport:

http://www.jacdec.de/2015/03/29/2015...-a320-landing-accident-at-halifax/

FDH

Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:05 pm
by SaschaYHZ
Here's a link from Airways Mag:

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/03/...suffers-a-hard-landing-in-halifax/


[edited for more proper word usage]

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:07 pm
by roseflyer
Quoting FDH (Reply 46):

That article is implying that the airplane landed short and struck power lines before touching the ground. That is not a runway overrun. If the ILS is working properly, I wonder what would cause an airplane to land short other than winds and an unstable approach.

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Air Canada Landing Accident At Halifax

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:07 pm
by ranold76
Instead of circling for 30 minutes and landing on 05 with winds [email protected] on a LOC/NDB approach, why wasn't Moncton(YQM) considered?