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Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:14 am

The Russian aircraft fascinate me so i would love to see the SSJ100 flying over Europe, US/Canada, Australia more often. What are the chances of this happening in the future?

[Edited 2015-03-30 17:41:32]
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:16 am

Isn't there a Mexican airline flying it already? I'm sure I've seen photos

Edit: yes I was right, InterJet


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[Edited 2015-03-30 17:21:29]
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:17 am

Well, Interjet is western...we see them here at IAH.
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:20 am

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 1):
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 2):

I mean airlines from 1st World countries.

[Edited 2015-03-30 17:41:04]
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:23 am

Well I think your doing a disservice to the employees of InterJet there for a start and the people of Mexico
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:24 am

Interjet is a western operator, of course they bought the aircraft, because they believed in the SSJ and its low price and the service pack they were offering.
I know for a fact that crews love the aircraft since its like a dc9 and more ample and simpler in its operation. In fact they call it the ¨little tank" because its very sturdy. also the consumption has been lower than advertised, and MX problems have been low.

Interjet in fact firmed its options just a month ago. Eventually they will operate a lot of A320 and a lot of SSJ all in hot and high situations.

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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:27 am

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 4):

Why? Mexico isn't a 1st World country yet. Maybe one day in the future, i hope so.

[Edited 2015-03-30 17:46:01]
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:34 am

I saw one of the Interjet SSF100s while in Benito Juarez International Airport in Mexico City. They are a very attractive aircraft. Interjet uses them on a number of their thin routes from Mexico City to a number of cities in the south of Mexico. We haven't seen one in Tijuana as of yet.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airliner Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 5):

Thanks for your report about the SSJ100 and Interjet. It's great to know that the crews love the SSJ100.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 6):
Why? Mexico isn't a 1st World country.

I guess it depends on whose definition applies. If we equate the term "1st World" to the IMF's definition of "Advanced Economies" then Mexico isn't a 1st world country. I'm sure there are other metrics people can use to redefine 1st world.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 3):
I mean 1st World Airliners.
Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 6):
Why? Mexico isn't a 1st World country.
Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 4):
Well I think your doing a disservice to the employees of InterJet there for a start and the people of Mexico

Never mind him. The guy been´s trolling the site since Saturday saying stuff like this. He´s probably looking for a fight or is just one more of the "special" a.net members we sometimes see. It´s not like Martinique is Monaco, after all.

The Superjet has been impressively successful for Interjet. But I don´t know if that has to do with the fact it is ideally suited for hot and high ops like there are at MEX or the plane is truly a great perfomer. It´s telling, in that regard that other airlines have not ordered it, neither in the US nor in Europe. I can uinderstand other issued beyond the commercial for no US airline ordering but not in Europe.

In any case, as ThRedBaron said, Interjet is happy about it and has topped up its orders, and will probably order more.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 7):

I think i've read here on this forum a few weeks ago that the Interjet's SSJ100s fly to the US.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:54 am

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 11):
I think i've read here on this forum a few weeks ago that the Interjet's SSJ100s fly to the US.

Look at reply #2 of your own thread.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:06 am

Really? Mexico isn't "1st World?" Wow, just wow.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:07 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):

You're right, Mexico is a country as rich, developed and advanced as USA, Canada, Western/Northern Europe, Japan, Australia and i've never noticed that. I'm sorry, i should have checked that.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:10 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 12):

Indeed, thanks.

BTW, the Aeroflot's SSJ100s are simply stunning.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:13 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 13):
Really? Mexico isn't "1st World?" Wow, just wow.

By the most traditional definition, it's third world. First World was US and allies during Cold War, Second World was USSR and allies, Third World were neutral and non-aligned.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:15 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 13):

Sometimes i confuse Germany and Mexico since they are so similar countries  

I have nothing against Mexico, Mexicans are some of the nicest people i've met in my whole life, but unfortunately it's not a 1st World country, yet.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:30 am

What a stunning bird.

http://s30.postimg.org/sjjgmfu6p/Aeroflot_Sukhoi_Superjet_100_95_B.jpg
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:30 am

I think the SSJ100 is a highly underrated airliner, now that they're starting to sort out the early problems with the plane. The very fact the plane has a wider fuselage cross-section than the Bombardier C Series, Embraer E-Jets and the Mitsubishi MRJ could make it appealing to passengers on shorter routes. Maybe once the sanctions against Cuba lifts, maybe Cubana will buy a bunch of them to operate on domestic routes between various cities in Cuba?
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:43 am

Mexico is Western. Japan is not.

Japan, for example, is an Advanced nation.
Mexico is Developing.

Which one adheres more to a "Western" lifestyle? Which is what I and others on this thread seemed to be lead to think ghe "Western" in the title means.

Before I get flamed, I very much love both nations.

Now, I think SkyWest, or "Virgin Australia Regional" as it is now, would very possibly benefit from the rugged SSJ, especially with the heat and conditions they operate in. The only issue is the sanctions.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:56 am

I too, am hoping for a lot of traction on the SSJ. Unfortunately politics does play a role - it doesn't matter how good the product is, there is a huge stigma in operating a Russian airliner, especially in 'western' countries. Interjet bucked the trend, but I can only hope others will follow their lead. Interjet has had nothing but good things to say about the plane.

I actually think the SSJ might be an ideal 717 replacement for Hawaiian intra-island operations, assuming the engines are able to handle the quick turns - as I recall, 737NGs with the CFMs were very poorly suited for intra-island operations due to the characteristics of the CFM56 - not having adequate cool-down/cold soak times at altitude. The SaM146 engine is based on the CFM56 core - and thus, it could present issues for carriers operating the plane on very short legs, assuming the cold soak issues have carried over. That said, I would bet there has been some development - the SaM146 is more fuel-thirsty than the Pratt geared fans, and has a smaller fan and bypass ratio - suggesting that it was optimized for shorter stage lengths...

We can only wait and see what happens with it. I, for one, would love to see these replace CRJs which I think are abysmal aircraft to fly aboard as a passenger. In the end, it boils down to the economics - does the SSJ100 offer a compelling economic advantage over the C-Series, and MRJ? Any airline worth its salt will work those numbers - and if they are heavily tilted enough in favor of the SSJ, we may see the political issues surrounding the airliner disappear.

Sukhoi still needs to establish (and seems to be doing an excellent job in doing so) credibility in their support network, for tech issues. It doesn't matter how reliable or well built the plane is - it will go tech eventually. Can Sukhoi deliver the level of support that Bombardier can and does?

We'll see how it all plays out...
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:01 am

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 20):
Mexico is Western. Japan is not.

Nor is Australia.  

It would be interesting to see Sukhoi get back in the business.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:17 am

I have seen them quite often flying to SAT, reminds me of a small787, with the window set up.Guess you could also say
small A350.
Having seen the C Series100 at ICT today, seem fairly interchangeable. The CS100 looked pretty good as well.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 13):

Really? Mexico isn't "1st World?" Wow, just wow

Well, Mexico wasn't really on neither allied with the Soviet Union nor the USA, thus making them neither a first world nor second world country. Third party country=third world party.

Just a sociological nit-pick.  
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:25 am

Thank you all for your feedback.

There is also an important issue that has had negative influence in the commercial career of the SSJ100 that was the accident in May 2012. In addition to the tragedy that was the loss of so many human lives (45), this event certainly has also heavily affected the image of this plane, especially in the important ASEAN market.

[Edited 2015-03-30 19:32:02]
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:30 am

Does not help the Italian's throwing their hands up regarding the partnership.

Finmeccanica Reduces Its Share On The SSJ100 (by Wayfarer515 Mar 20 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:33 am

If QF would order the SSJ to replace their B712s, I would fist fight my company to stay in Sydney rather than being transferred back to our Chicago office. Sure that might hurt my chances of staying in Sydney or staying employed, but it would be a risk.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:11 am

Disregarding any unfortunate and insulting comments about Mexico (a sovereign nation before the USA existed), it seems to me that persistent exposure of the U.S. market to Interjet's successful SSJ ops might serve Sukhoi well.

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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:34 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
Nor is Australia  

LOL. Got me there. Good thing I'm South African. Wait.

But then again, neither is France. Or Most of mainland Europe.

Haha  

But you see what I meant, right?
The distinction isnt important.

What is is that there is a great little aircraft still succeeding even with all of the issues in Russia recently. *Cough* I, only talking about sanctions. This isnt a place for the rest of that discussion. *Cough*
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:44 am

I am always amazed when people talk of Mexico in a negative light with regard to aviation. I find the airports of Mexico and ATC in Mexico to be world class. Having flown on a few Mexican carriers and listened to them operating on ATC, I have never seen anything that would indicate that they don't run as safe and efficient operation as the best.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 19):
Maybe once the sanctions against Cuba lifts, maybe Cubana will buy a bunch of them to operate on domestic routes between various cities in Cuba?

As a Russian aircraft, could Cuba not already purchase the aircraft?

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 18):
What a stunning bird.

A very handsome aircraft indeed. But really ... would Aeroflot's colours not many any aircraft look good?
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:05 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 30):
I am always amazed when people talk of Mexico in a negative light with regard to aviation. I find the airports of Mexico and ATC in Mexico to be world class. Having flown on a few Mexican carriers and listened to them operating on ATC, I have never seen anything that would indicate that they don't run as safe and efficient operation as the best.

You will be interested in heraing this ATC recording then. In Spanish, but it´s MEX´s tower during a major Earthquake and how they sort out traffic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGyEK...=FL3nlp2m2-Dpf3lqcTE57n-g&index=51

[Edited 2015-03-30 21:53:54]
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:43 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 28):
Mexico (a sovereign nation before the USA existed),

I am having trouble discerning what you mean, historically. There were several sovereigns within the boundary of present day Mexico long before there was a US in the same way there were nations in the US before there was a US, but Mexico as a political construct is post colonial. Same as the US, but a few decades later in independence. In the aggregate, Mexico is no more the Aztec Empire than Italy is Rome. In the long run I don't discount Mexico's chance of outlasting the US as a conglomerate, though!
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:08 am

I think the biggest factor in the lack of sales of the SSJ in the US right now is the current geopolitical situation...a certain leader in Russia has decided that the "good ol' days" of the Cold War are more important than trading with the West 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:08 am

Belgian VLM should receive SSJ next year. I think two + ten options.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 30):
But really ... would Aeroflot's colours not many any aircraft look good?

True dat. Who did this for them, Landor? Looks like Landor's work.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:35 am

Delta contacted them and asked for a RFP I remember them saying.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:46 am

I have 2 thoughts on this:

1) why wouldn't they put winglets on the aircraft to reduce fuel burn even further?

2) why haven't the Chinese expressed much interest and ordered any?
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:52 am

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 37):
1) why wouldn't they put winglets on the aircraft to reduce fuel burn even further?

I believe that in the stage lengths the plane was designed for, fuel savings through winglets would be insignificant, compared to the added complexity they would cause.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):

The Superjet has been impressively successful for Interjet. But I don´t know if that has to do with the fact it is ideally suited for hot and high ops like there are at MEX or the plane is truly a great perfomer. It´s telling, in that regard that other airlines have not ordered it, neither in the US nor in Europe. I can uinderstand other issued beyond the commercial for no US airline ordering but not in Europe.

It is a shame Putin is not more interested in advancing Russia with products such as this. Instead, his current actions probably mean many potential customers won't touch it.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:36 am

Has anyone seen the new MEX project? It makes most major US and European hubs look like third-world airports.

[Edited 2015-03-31 00:37:26]
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:55 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
I can uinderstand other issued beyond the commercial for no US airline ordering but not in Europe.

Are you sure? I can definitely imagine some political issues getting in the way of SSJ sales in Europe. Relations between the EU and Russia are not exactly good these days, and don't look to be improving any time soon. Of course, were Greece to exit the EU, I could see them getting cozier with Russia.

As to Mexico, and I'm sure the Mexican nationals here can elaborate further, it have a long-established relationship with Russia. I believe Mexico has also purchased military hardware from Russia. It's not that shocking that Interjet purchased SSJ's.

Leaving aside what definitions of "western airline" one might choose, I would say there's some possibility of SSJ's being purchased in other developing nations in Central and South America.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:38 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 28):
Disregarding any unfortunate and insulting comments about Mexico (a sovereign nation before the USA existed), it seems to me that persistent exposure of the U.S. market to Interjet's successful SSJ ops might serve Sukhoi well.

What could be insulting would be to mention the disputed sovereignty of Mexico in some parts, you know, where drug cartels are in power.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 30):
As a Russian aircraft, could Cuba not already purchase the aircraft?

Not Russian enough, it has plenty of foreign parts, more importantly US parts, since that's the one country having a sour relationship with Cuba.
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:57 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 30):

I am always amazed when people talk of Mexico in a negative light with regard to aviation. I find the airports of Mexico and ATC in Mexico to be world class. Having flown on a few Mexican carriers and listened to them operating on ATC, I have never seen anything that would indicate that they don't run as safe and efficient operation as the best

I fully agree with you, I have the best image of the aviation in Mexico.

But i think that if one of the important European/American regional arlines would receive the SSJ100, such as Lufthansa Cityline, HOP!, SkyWest, Flybe, etc., this would have much more impact than the order from Interjet. Am i wrong?
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:58 pm

Sadly I can see that the current political situation, uncertainty about the resale value and doubts regarding the long term production of this aircraft will mean Europe will be a difficult market to crack.

Do you think airlines would also find them difficult to finance?
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:00 pm

VLM were going to start using them into LCY - any news on that ?
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 37):
2) why haven't the Chinese expressed much interest and ordered any?

The Chinese are developing their own regional and narrow-body aircraft.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:40 pm

Was it intended for sale to western airlines as OP defined.

Probably not. It is a modern aircraft built on western standards/technology for developing world.

Other than "Sukhio" name there is nothing Russian about it.

Like I said in the past, if they wanted to sell this to technically developed/industrially advanced/first world countries, they should have called it IRJ (Italian Regional Jet) or ARJ (Alenia Regional Jet) using its Alenia Aermacchi link. Too late now with Alenia reduced its stake in the program.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:46 pm

It's a shame MA went under. They had an order for 30 SSJ aircraft, and that could've opened up more opportunities within Europe.
 
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RE: Will Any Western Airline Buy The SSJ100?

Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 17):
I have nothing against Mexico, Mexicans are some of the nicest people i've met in my whole life, but unfortunately it's not a 1st World country, yet.

Sorry I can't say the same about the French, and I'm married to one!     

I know I know moderators....but I just can't keep myself from feeding the trolls.

Now back on topic...

The SSJ has everything for Sukhoi to be next Embraer in the US market, they would need to increase their product offering to offer more payload, range and seats options but I believe I'm explaining myself here.

The biggest hurdle for SSJ in the US might be the bad safety image Eastern European aircraft have, an image that has been perpetuated by the ever so ignorant about aviation mass media, heck! even Airbus is sometimes looked down upon; the current political tensions between the US and Russia, and the threat for more santions can't help the business case for the SSJ in the US either.

Interjet is a new airline with new equipment that successfully operates the SSJ in to US airports, that can only help public perception of the aircraft.
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