Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, hOMSaR

 
User avatar
Miami
Posts: 6145
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:37 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:28 pm

Quoting MeCe (Reply 46):
I heard MIA and ATL will start in 2015, can anyone confirm ?

There's been several rumors about it. Still up in the air.



Here's a recent thread Rumor:TK To Start MIA-IST In First Half Of 2016. (by miaintl Feb 28 2015 in Civil Aviation)
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible. - Eddie Rickenbacker
 
GRJGeorge
Posts: 389
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:37 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:40 pm

Read somewhere that TK is to add Maputo (MPM), Mozambique from 28 October, as a tag from JNB...but can't find any proof really.
That's when JNB and CPT get split and not tagged anymore, with both getting dedicated daily flights, so it leaves room for new tag-ons from JNB...however doubt that daily MPM would work, maybe they'll do the same as QR, opting for 3 weekly tag to MPM and 4 weekly tag to DUR?
Can anyone confirm if both these new IST-JNB and IST-CPT will continue to be with A330-300...or will it go to smaller A330-200?
 
User avatar
Yakamoz
Posts: 544
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:06 pm

Hello everyone

Thanks to all for all kind of information posting here.

I have a question. In the TK presentation of December 2014, they have 261 aircraft. My question is how many of this 261 aircraft TK owned byself and how many are leased? Which aircraft are these (in numbers)? And where can I find this information or is this information not official?

I made a research and found this article from February 2012 in turkish;
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...filosunda-ilginc-detay-37898h.html

They have written, TK had end of 2011 179 aircraft, 21 owned and 158 leased. 21 aircraft are 7 A340, 11 B738 and 3 A310.

Thanks anyone for help.

Kind regards.
 
User avatar
TK787
Topic Author
Posts: 4389
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:36 pm

Latest TK 77Ws that arrived on March 30th, started pax service two days after arrival.
I thought most planes go through customs/paperwork that takes longer than two days.
Any info on this?
By the way, since their arrival the 49J/300Y 77W fleet is up to 6 frames and besides the usual PVG, IAH, BOM they flew to more random destinations like; LHR, BCN, DEL, DXB, TLV, BKK, CDG, BEY, JED besides few domestic trial runs.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Posts: 26968
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 53):
I thought most planes go through customs/paperwork that takes longer than two days.
Any info on this?

It might take several days for a new aircraft type, it can be done faster for existing types because post delivery procedures can be optimized. As example, Emirates A380's go into service some 24 hours after arriving from the delivery flight.

[Edited 2015-04-09 13:16:40]
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
Turkish777X
Posts: 376
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 53):
Any info on this?

It was during the Easter Break in europe and every single bird was needed, so that they needed to speed up as quickly as possible
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 24072
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:09 am

Interesting stats and article in todays CAPA news item :

Turkey is home to two of Europe's fastest growing airlines. Turkish Airlines increased ASKs by 16% in 2014 and LCC Pegasus Airlines grew by 20%. From a standing start as a scheduled carrier ten years ago, Pegasus' share of seats in Turkey reached 19% in 2014. Turkish remained the country's largest airline, but its market share of just under 54% in 2014 was unchanged from 2010. The main battlegrounds between the two are on international routes to/from Europe and in the domestic market, where Pegasus has grown particularly rapidly.

Until 2013, Turkish Airlines more or less left Pegasus alone at its home base of Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen, where the LCC is the number one airline. Since then, however, Turkish has outgrown its rival at Istanbul's number two airport. Turkish now overlaps on city pairs that cover 97% of Pegasus seat capacity from Sabiha Gokcen.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...sabiha-gokcen-airport-gains-218461
 
georgiabill
Posts: 1249
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:53 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:47 pm

Congratulations to both Turkish Airlines and Pegasus Airlines for your continued prosperity. Everyone involved at both airlines should be proud of their accomplishments. Hopefully 2015 will be as equally successful for both companies or exceed 2014 growth.

Just wondering if any of our Turkish contributors knows how BOS is performing for TK? I am hoping they are meeting expectations and seeing load factors increase. Is there any chance of seeing BOS being served by the 77W? Thanks for any info that can be shared.
 
lxa333
Posts: 278
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:35 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:06 am

Does anyone know of the amount of business travel there is estimated SFO-IST. Will be interesting stats from these flights in the off season. Do Google, Facebook etc. havre major presence in Istanbul?
SWISSAIR-Worlds most refreshing airline
 
User avatar
LAXintl
Posts: 24280
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting lxa333 (Reply 58):
Does anyone know of the amount of business travel there is estimated SFO-IST.

O&D to IST is mere 39 PDEW.

Market has about a 35/65 premium/economy class breakdown.

TK estimated 62% of enplanements will be US point of sale origin for the route.

But remember the route is much more about beyond network opportunities than simply IST-SFO traffic.

Quoting lxa333 (Reply 58):
Do Google, Facebook etc. havre major presence in Istanbul?

Maybe for their attorneys trying to reverse bans on their services in Turkey   
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
lxa333
Posts: 278
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:35 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:48 am

Definitely see your point there. A lot of summer flights are full from jfk and ord just from southeastern Europeans/Turks. From living in SFO for a while you can notice that the demographics are no where close to what NYC and Chicago are. Different population here besides a sizable amount of Greeks. Not that many people traveling "back home". Maybe it will be popular for all San Franciscos Greek population.
SWISSAIR-Worlds most refreshing airline
 
User avatar
adamh8297
Posts: 3207
Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:28 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:59 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 57):
Just wondering if any of our Turkish contributors knows how BOS is performing for TK? I am hoping they are meeting expectations and seeing load factors increase. Is there any chance of seeing BOS being served by the 77W? Thanks for any info that can be shared.

Load factors are not a problem that's for sure.
BTS has data for May through September. Overall 89.7% LF since starting BOS.

Believe it or not lowest month was actually July with 87% load and best month was August with 92.8% LF. I would say it has been fairly consistent as well.

Yields - who knows - probably will be fine for the upcoming peak season as they did not discount at all for June-August.

BTS should release October numbers next week. October is a tricky month for travel (low on leisure but business could surprise since it may be the last period before holidays). I'm predicting low to mid 80's as TK has downgauged (slightly) seasonally from late August to October in 2015 to A332 even though September was a good month for them.

Massport releases monthly data but its tied in with EK pax counts. I do some best-case/worst case scenarios in the Boston Aviation thread. I'm very interested in Feb 2015 numbers due to the horrible winter. Both airlines combined were high 60's for Loads.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
MeCe
Posts: 275
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:19 am

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 50):

If my source is not kidding with me it should be true, he talked very straight. Also showed some suprise for SFO ; no reason for a fake info but I am little curious about this. May be another insider confirm the info.
 
psimpson
Posts: 313
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 9:38 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:08 am

I was plane spotting at Manchester airport yesterday 11 Apr and saw Turkish new A321 TC-JSN.
I noticed that this aircraft anti-Collision and Strobe lights are of the LED type.
I had never seen a airbus aircraft with red anti-Collision lights of the LED type.
I had only seen the white LED strobes on A320s & A321s wings that were sharklet equipped, but these aircraft had the coventional red anti collision lights.
This A321 TC-JSN also has white LED strobe at the rear near the APU exhaust rather than the conventional strobe.
Maybe Airbus are now going to deliver new built aircraft with LED anti collision and strobe lights as standard.
The only other aircraft that i had seen with LED anti collision and strobe lights is of course the B787.
 
User avatar
Miami
Posts: 6145
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:37 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:44 am

Quoting MeCe (Reply 62):
If my source is not kidding with me it should be true

I'd hope he is right!
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible. - Eddie Rickenbacker
 
User avatar
Miami
Posts: 6145
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:37 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:45 am

Quoting MeCe (Reply 62):

Also, if I'm not mistaken. TK said at least 1 new US city every year.
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible. - Eddie Rickenbacker
 
SR4ever
Posts: 388
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:19 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 65):
TK said at least 1 new US city every year.

In that case, wich cities would be added and in which order?

My 2 cents:

1. SEA

2. EWR

3. MIA

4. ATL

5. DFW

6. DTW

7. DEN

8. PHL
 
Turkish350XWB
Posts: 485
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:23 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:50 am

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 66):
My 2 cents:
1. SEA
2. EWR
3. MIA
4. ATL
5. DFW
6. DTW
7. DEN
8. PHL

My bet is: MIA, ATL, DFW, SEA, DTW
 
bahadir
Posts: 1344
Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2001 4:57 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:30 pm

I think we may see ATL or DFW before anything else. DEN, PHL dont make any sense to me (that doesn't mean it will not happen. PHL is too close to JFK and IAD. ) DEN might be interesting because it doesn't have that much international presence besides LH and BA . If all the international airlines are avoiding it, there might be a reason. I am not an expert but at mile high altitude, it might even be a challenging airport for Airbusses to IST.
EWR didn't work for United with all the connecting traffic. (Well United shot itself on the foot with bad scheduling and mechanical delays too)

My two cents.
Earthbound misfit I
 
User avatar
Yakamoz
Posts: 544
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:13 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 52):

Does anybody have any information?

Thanks.
 
User avatar
LAXintl
Posts: 24280
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:23 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 69):
Does anybody have any information?


=
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
User avatar
TK105
Posts: 594
Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:40 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:22 pm

Next US destination(s) is becoming an interesting discussion.

LAXintl, can you update us about latest O&D figures for US destinations?

Without knowing latest O&D figures, just based on ME3 strategies, I personally think that SEA, DWF and ATL can be target destinations in US for TK. However somehow TK has to get new rights for Indian Market to support growth in US.

[Edited 2015-04-12 12:24:57]
The future is in the skies.
 
miaintl
Posts: 776
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 68):

How about MIA? MIA is a larger O&D market to Turkey than SEA, DFW and ATL combined. Heck its even larger than IAH and SFO. I think there has to be hidden reason why TK is avoiding MIA like the plague, and I have the feeling that the MIA airport owes TK money that it has not paid yet back when TK flew here in 2000-01. I suspect a similar situation with the TLV and AA/TWA fiasco. Of course MIA officials will never tell us that because it might be a major source of embarrassment for them. It can't be because of a lack of market, because the O&D numbers clearly disprove that. Then again MIA has never been big on the ME3 expansion plans. QR just got here and it is only flying a measly 5x weekly, though it will go daily in November.
 
SR4ever
Posts: 388
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:19 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:06 pm

MIA is a big market, but rather low-yield...

SEA, DFW and ATL may attract more business trafic, and you can also probably challenge monopoly profits of AA at DFW and DL at ATL.
 
User avatar
ankaraflyjet
Posts: 478
Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:34 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:09 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 72):

I think TK should do some triangle flights to North America to combine some new destinations in Canada and US

My suggestions are

Istanbul-Vancouver-Seattle-Istanbul
Istanbul-Calgary-Vancouver-Istanbul
Istanbul-Calgary-Seattle-Istanbul
Istanbul-Seattle-Vancouver-Istanbul
Istanbul-Seattle-Portland-Istanbul
Istanbul-Las Vegas-Seattle-Istanbul

CX is doing Hong Kong Vancouver New York
Philippines did Manila Vancouver Las Vegas until last year so with some negotiations on the exisiting bilaterals I think it can be done and will be a good entry for launching these routes for TK. I believe these destinations each have the potential to be non-sto operations for TK eventually after a couple of years of triangle operations.
 
SR4ever
Posts: 388
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:19 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:19 pm

I am also wondering whether TK may sometime launch ESB-NYC and ESB-IAD, using a smaller frame such as the 788 or the 338...

PA used to serve ESB, yet with a change of gauge at FRA...
 
miaintl
Posts: 776
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:20 pm

ATL and DFW are not higher-yielding than MIA when it comes to Turkey. Far from it. Dallas and Atlanta have 0 business ties to Turkey. Again we have no evidence to the contrary. Yields data is something airlines never release to the public, all we get are loads statistics. So nobody on a-net is qualified to say MIA is not high-yielding when it comes to Turkey, because they have no such access to such data to make such a determination. I admit that I am also speculating, bet based on the loads data and about the demographics and cultural ties of each market, MIA comes out as the obvious.

[Edited 2015-04-12 13:24:21]

[Edited 2015-04-12 13:25:21]
 
User avatar
LAXintl
Posts: 24280
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:25 pm

Interesting at Routes Europe conference which started on Sunday, it was mentioned by AEA that 3 of the 5 largest intercity European routes in 2015 are Turkish markets !

Quoting TK105 (Reply 71):
LAXintl, can you update us about latest O&D figures for US destinations?

Sure here we go... A bunch of information on US market from Turkey.

1) Largest O&D markets - PDEW (pax daily each way)
.

.
.

2) TK market share on US routes
.

.
.

3) TK vs OALs market and revenue share
.

.
.

4) Where Turks like to visit in the US
.

.
.

5) Potential new markets points of sale bias
.

.
.

6) Seasonality of markets
.

.
.

Enjoy   
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
miaintl
Posts: 776
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:28 pm

Does graphs seem to prove my point.
 
User avatar
LAXintl
Posts: 24280
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:26 pm

Managed to upload a few more.

7) Total market potential when connecting traffic flow considered (note New York in this graphic refers to Newark)
.

.
.

8) O&D revenue breakdown by class of service (not customers by class of service)
.

.
.

=

[Edited 2015-04-12 14:27:41]
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
User avatar
TK105
Posts: 594
Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:40 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 77):
Sure here we go... A bunch of information on US market from Turkey.

Wooww, thanks LAXintl. We can discuss about all these figures for a few months long.   

After a quick look, EWR and MIA are the logical next steps followed by SEA and ATL. Due to lower yields, DFW can be 5th only, though it has good potential. YVR is certainly in the targets list, but for now bilateral does not permit it.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 74):
I think TK should do some triangle flights to North America

Perhaps 3 to 4 weekly ESB-IAD-JFK-ESB can be a nice triangular route, especially considering the higher yields on ESB-IAD route (which I suppose LH benefits more compared to TK). But what are the rules on US side for such a flight?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 77):
it was mentioned by AEA that 3 of the 5 largest intercity European routes in 2015 are Turkish markets

Which routes?
The future is in the skies.
 
User avatar
adamh8297
Posts: 3207
Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:28 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 77):

What time period were the O&D numbers from?
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
User avatar
mercure1
Posts: 4679
Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:13 am

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 74):
I think TK should do some triangle flights to North America to combine some new destinations in Canada and US

My suggestions are

Istanbul-Vancouver-Seattle-Istanbul
Istanbul-Calgary-Vancouver-Istanbul
Istanbul-Calgary-Seattle-Istanbul
Istanbul-Seattle-Vancouver-Istanbul
Istanbul-Seattle-Portland-Istanbul
Istanbul-Las Vegas-Seattle-Istanbul

Does TK not have issues with difficulty in getting frequencies to Canada? I would think they would like to make YYZ and YUL daily first.

Also I dont think any of the US triangle flights can uplift traffic on US segments unlike TK can on some of its Africa/Mid East triangle routes, so makes it difficult to fill.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 77):

Wow LAXIntl. Thank you for the very detailed materials you post.
You and your contributions make this site and these Turkish thread worthwhile to participate in.   
mercure f-wtcc
 
georgiabill
Posts: 1249
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:53 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:49 pm

I am wondering if DTW wouldn't be a better option as for now there is no ME3 carrier serving DTW presently. I think RJ and TK could coexist serving DTW and the large middle eastern population in the area.
 
User avatar
Miami
Posts: 6145
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:37 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 77):

Impressive. Thanks for sharing.
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible. - Eddie Rickenbacker
 
User avatar
ankaraflyjet
Posts: 478
Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:34 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:00 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 80):

The bilateral between Turkey and US make it possible for TK to do ESB-JFK-IAD-ESB and I hope that will happen.

3 weekly would be great to start with. It will attract a lot of traffic from North American destinations at IAD in particular because it is a hectic transfer in IST from international to domestic vice versa.
This will hurt LH at ESB for onward North America traffic if TK is interested in this....

However, ESB needs LHR, CDG, AMS and BRU links immediately.

I don't know what TK is waiting for, they have sufficient solts at LHR too now that they purchased SK slots as well.
 
emrecan
Posts: 845
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2000 7:20 am

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:19 am

Ankaraflyjet;

TK will add another IST flight out of LHR by october (the slot of SK)
I don't think any direct flight to ESB will be profitable. May be in next 10 years.
 
Turkish777X
Posts: 376
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:26 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 85):
I don't know what TK is waiting for, they have sufficient solts at LHR too now that they purchased SK slots as well.

25 million for a pair of slots in order to fly from ESB to LHR would be too much. There would never be the business case to recoup that amount.

However, with the steady growth of travel to ESB we will see improved connections sooner or later.
 
User avatar
TK105
Posts: 594
Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:40 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:37 am

Quoting emrecan (Reply 86):
Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 87):

I agree that LHR should be linked to IST for connecting international traffic. But ESB needs a London connection and this can be done using other airports in London.
The future is in the skies.
 
miaintl
Posts: 776
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:16 am

What is the viability of TK coming to MIA now that OS is in the market? TK is good for connecting MIA to the Eastern European Balkan market, but OS has beat them to it.
 
User avatar
Yakamoz
Posts: 544
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:32 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 70):

Thank you very much LAXintl!
 
SR4ever
Posts: 388
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:19 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:03 pm

Many thx to LAXintl for share  
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 85):
The bilateral between Turkey and US make it possible for TK to do ESB-JFK-IAD-ESB and I hope that will happen.

I really wonder wheteher it would be a good idea to have a triangular route here. 2 separate direct flights would be much better. Any chance we may see a 321neo or 738/739Max with a genuine LC cabin on those routes?

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 85):
However, ESB needs LHR, CDG, AMS and BRU links immediately.

Agreed, and so does ADB, on a 2-daily basis.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 89):
What is the viability of TK coming to MIA now that OS is in the market? TK is good for connecting MIA to the Eastern European Balkan market, but OS has beat them to it.

OS now has much smaller coverage in the Middle East than it had before being sold to LH...
 
User avatar
TK787
Topic Author
Posts: 4389
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 91):
Any chance we may see a 321neo or 738/739Max with a genuine LC cabin on those routes?

You mean ESB-JFK or ESB-IAD on 321neo/738-9? No way those planes have that kind of range.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 91):
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 85):
However, ESB needs LHR, CDG, AMS and BRU links immediately.
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 91):
Agreed, and so does ADB, on a 2-daily basis.

You'd think so but apparently the demand is not there. Otherwise, TK or Pegasus or AtlasGlobal or Sunexpress or Onur or other European airlines would have started those flights.
 
mict
Posts: 285
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:19 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 92):
You'd think so but apparently the demand is not there. Otherwise, TK or Pegasus or AtlasGlobal or Sunexpress or Onur or other European airlines would have started those flights.

SunExpress and Pegasus are flying most of those routes from ADB already. A least seasonally.
 
User avatar
TK787
Topic Author
Posts: 4389
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:27 pm

Quoting Mict (Reply 93):
SunExpress and Pegasus are flying most of those routes from ADB already. A least seasonally.

Exactly and SunExpress flying to 35 European destination in 8 countries this summer from AYT.
If there is demand, the airlines will act on it.
 
stylo777
Posts: 2792
Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:32 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:40 pm

TK did a very nice paintshop on their 77W TC-JJU especially for the inaugural of the IST-SFO route.

http://www.airkule.com/haber/THY-SAN-FRANCISCO-YA-UCTU/20123


A few years back LX did the same with one of their 343.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frederico Cavalcante
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frederico Cavalcante



[Edited 2015-04-13 05:43:05]
 
User avatar
LAXintl
Posts: 24280
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:04 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 80):
Wooww, thanks LAXintl. We can discuss about all these figures for a few months long.
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 82):
Wow LAXIntl. Thank you for the very detailed materials you post.
Quoting Miami (Reply 84):
Impressive. Thanks for sharing.
Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 90):
Thank you very much LAXintl!
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 91):
Many thx to LAXintl for share

Glad to share with friends here.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 74):
My suggestions are

Istanbul-Vancouver-Seattle-Istanbul
Istanbul-Calgary-Vancouver-Istanbul
Istanbul-Calgary-Seattle-Istanbul
Istanbul-Seattle-Vancouver-Istanbul
Istanbul-Seattle-Portland-Istanbul
Istanbul-Las Vegas-Seattle-Istanbul

You can forget any routes that are via Canada. TK cant even operate YYZ daily.

Also intra-US tags cannot carry any local traffic so you are unable to maximize segment loads unlike what TK can do some parts of Africa where is has local traffic rights.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 80):
Perhaps 3 to 4 weekly ESB-IAD-JFK-ESB can be a nice triangular route, especially considering the higher yields on ESB-IAD route (which I suppose LH benefits more compared to TK). But what are the rules on US side for such a flight?

The U.S would not care, but there are no local traffic rights allowed, and frankly I think you would be nuts trying to fly IAD-JFK. I think last one that tried it was SV and AI back in the day, and no other airline doing it tells you the lack of commercial appeal should a triangle route has in the US.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 80):
Which routes?

I'm not sure if they were referring to domestic of international segments, but that is what they mentioned in a speech on Sunday.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 81):
What time period were the O&D numbers from?

I'm away from the files now, but should be 12-months ending Q3 2014.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 94):
If there is demand, the airlines will act on it.

  

And if its not a Turkish carrier, they nothing is stopping folks like AF, AZ, BA, KL, LX, SN, etc from having ESB service.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
miaintl
Posts: 776
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:31 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:16 pm

News is out that TK will fly to MEX with a stopover in MIA by years-end.
 
leftyboarder
Posts: 901
Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:38 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:16 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 96):
And if its not a Turkish carrier, they nothing is stopping folks like AF, AZ, BA, KL, LX, SN, etc from having ESB service.

Somehow my gut tells me TK is using its influence to prohibit new entrants to ESB to hold on to its ESB-IST cash cow. In any other country an airport like ESB would give incentives in cooperation with the local administration to foreign airlines - in fact isn't that how some TK routes came to exist, such as some in Africa, Spain or USA? In our case it is not so.
 
User avatar
Yakamoz
Posts: 544
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:08 pm

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos