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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:27 am

A 77W is too big an aircraft for MIA. A 330/340 would be a better match for that market.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:39 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 149):

Thanks for the info, TK787. Always enjoy seeing your post!

Hopeful for a MIA and ATL service announcement soon.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 150):

Not necessarily. The 77W could be used to start off and they can see how it goes from there. Plus, I don't think an A330 can make the journey.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:46 am

TK did have this tweet. Which would seem to be some sort of "leak"

www.twitter.com/TK_HelpDesk/status/588176935848665088?s=09


Also, I've been told the Turkish Consul was at MIA last week.

[Edited 2015-04-20 05:02:56]
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:54 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 151):
Plus, I don't think an A330 can make the journey.

Correct.
333 can't make it. 343s on their way out, TK might go for a daily 330-200 or a 4 x weekly 77W, or a combination.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:51 pm

ORD will be 777 at this summer, that makes 2 332 free. But all US destinations will be 777 according to my insider source  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:51 pm

But a 77W is too large for the market. It is also for high-yielding routes. As no high-density 77W exists yet in TK's fleet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:53 pm

Quoting MeCe (Reply 154):

Do those US destinations include MIA aswell? Remember MIA was a 340 route when TK last flew here.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:09 pm

Here's the latest list of A333 and A332 joining TK's fleet http://www.trfleetnews.com/thy-3-a332-lsd/ and also the latest 77W LJA yet to bet painted http://www.trfleetnews.com/lja-ff/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:34 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 155):

And how would you know that? Where's you evidence?

Quoting miaintl (Reply 156):

MIA and ATL isn't official. Just yet..
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:27 pm

Can TK even fill a 77W to MIA and ATL? Who is going to fill up all that plane? Remember neither ATL or MIA are star hubs, so there is no feed on their end.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:55 pm

In the post 9/11 era - TK's track record is pretty good with US destinations.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 159):
Remember neither ATL or MIA are star hubs, so there is no feed on their end.

AV (many destinations not just BOG) and CM could take feed and AA also interlines with TK but doesn't always give out the cheapest seats. JJ is still a Miles and Smiles partner too. There's always some non-aligned airlines to link up with too (BW, Boliviana, Insel) etc.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:36 pm

Can OS effectively compete with TK if or when it enter's the MIA market? They both cater to Eastern Europe/Balkan traffic.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:43 pm

Why did TK leave MIA in 2001?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 159):
Can TK even fill a 77W to MIA and ATL?

The questions you ask sometimes don't make sense. If you read the thread, LAXintl shows us great info.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 159):
Remember neither ATL or MIA are star hubs, so there is no feed on their end.

Yeah, you're right. Try telling that to Lufthansa and Swiss (about MIA, at least).

Quoting miaintl (Reply 161):
Can OS effectively compete with TK if or when it enter's the MIA market?

Does it matter? No. Two completely different markets.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 162):
Why did TK leave MIA in 2001?

Some of your questions should be asked either PM or in the South Florida thread.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:45 pm

I've been told MIA is in final talks with TK. As they are about 90% done. Only thing left is for TK to provide a the start date. Which should happen in the next few days.


This is what I've been told from someone at MIA.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:52 pm

It has been a miserable day today in the NorthEast US.
TK3 had to divert to PHL and about to land at JFK shortly. I think they were on the ground in PHL about couple of hours. Still pretty good if you ask me while JFK was having 5 hour delays with the wind, visibility today on top of runway closure due to construction.
I am glad I was not on that flight today but some of friends were.  
Data at: 1950 UTC 20 Apr 2015
METAR for: KJFK (New York/Kennedy Int, NY, US)
Text: KJFK 201948Z 12006KT 0SM R04R/1400V4000FT FG VV002 13/12 A2967 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 RAE15DZB15E47 P0000
Temperature: 13.0°C ( 55°F)
Dewpoint: 12.0°C ( 54°F) [RH = 94%]
Pressure (altimeter): 29.67 inches Hg (1004.8 mb)
Winds: from the ESE (120 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 knots; 3.1 m/s)
Visibility: 0.00 sm ( 0.00 km)
Ceiling: indefinite ceiling with vertical visibility of 200 feet AGL
Clouds: obscured sky
Weather: FG (fog)

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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:00 pm

I sent a message about potential TK service to MIA to the Turkish Consulate Miami Facebook page and this is what they told me:

Dear Mr. Van Der Weerden. We are doing our best. We hope soon we're going to have good news! Regards,
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 147):
Turkish350XWB and Karel seem to believe it and they are really good when it comes to these kind of things.

I didn't know i made a name in here...  
Actually, i believed it because they came with specific month indications.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 167):
Actually, i believed it because they came with specific month indications.

Fair enough  


The pieces of the puzzle are coming together so let's wait and see if an announcement is made within this week.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:46 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 159):
Can TK even fill a 77W to MIA and ATL? Who is going to fill up all that plane? Remember neither ATL or MIA are star hubs, so there is no feed on their end.

TK of today is not the TK of 2000 that relied on the Turkish diaspora. There is Eastern and european potentials out of in the US-IST-ABC airport market that non of the middle eastern carriers have. MIA-IST-ATH would be cheaper than MIA-FRA-ATH, Turkish would be a one-stop solution to the African markets. There is a lot of customers of Turkish that backtracks to Eastern/Central airports because of convenience and price.

Star hubs in the USA, doesn't really matter that much, because TK is not being accepted by UA. Pay attention to the Virgin America codeshare, that shows right there that TK will go outside of Star Alliance if it benefits them. Turkish has got interline agreement with AA as well.

So, to answer your question, 777 is not too much of an airplane for the market.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 159):

Dont forget about cargo, 777 has enormus cargo capacity compare with A330.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:36 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 164):

Is this a credible source at MIA? Is this person a TK insider?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:46 pm

the MIA fanboys, can we change subjects. Every conversation about TK revolves around MIA
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:55 pm

Latest news from THY Technic.
Is there any implications of this?
Thanks.

"It has been decided by the Boards of Türk Hava Yolları Havacılık Ağır Bakım Onarım Merkezi A.Ş. (THY HABOM) and Türk Hava Yolları Teknik A.Ş.(THY Technic) to merge THY Technic and THY HABOM, by transferring all shares, assets and liabilies of THY HABOM to THY Technic. The public will be informed about the developments in the process going forward."
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting flyyul (Reply 172):

the MIA fanboys, can we change subjects. Every conversation about TK revolves around MIA

  
couldn't agree more! it's getting boring...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:02 pm

And the news from Atlasglobal;

-starting AYT to Kazakhstan. AYT-Almaty started yesterday 3 x Weekly:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-to-expand-into-kazakhstan-410099/

and

Atlasglobal's Ukrainian subsidiary starts ops in May:
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...nian-subsidiary-set-for-may-launch
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:12 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 175):


Atlasglobal's Ukrainian subsidiary starts ops in May:

In current environment (politically) this will be pretty challenging for them.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:20 pm

[quote=stylo777,reply=176]In current environment (politically) this will be pretty challenging for them.

At least they are going for the safest regions like Lviv, Kiev and Odessa.
I wonder if the Ukrainian economy is in good shape to send tourists to AYT and BJV,DLM when there is a war.

TK used to serve; IIRC, 10 destinations in Ukraine, do we know the latest?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:49 pm

TK just agreed to establish cooperative agreement with Turkish railways.

As part of the cooperation agreement they will integrate ticket sales and ability to earn Miles & Smiles on rail journeys. TK will also undertake a training program for railway staff in areas of customer service, crew resource management.

I think this could be a game changer in the future as the companies jointly promoting and selling journeys and allowing travelers to earn M&S. This could allow TK to boost domestic marketshare without needing to physically add aircraft or seats.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 173):
"It has been decided by the Boards of Türk Hava Yolları Havacılık Ağır Bakım Onarım Merkezi A.Ş. (THY HABOM) and Türk Hava Yolları Teknik A.Ş.(THY Technic) to merge THY Technic and THY HABOM, by transferring all shares, assets and liabilies of THY HABOM to THY Technic. The public will be informed about the developments in the process going forward."

I'm not sure it changes much in the grand scale. At the moment both THY Technic and HABOM are 100% subsidiaries of THY.

Sounds like all they are doing is instead of 2 separate subsidiaries under parent THY umbrella, they are putting them together as single MRO entity, so THY Technic might now have its own separate division with HABOM.

A bigger question might be what this does for labor agreements. Many HABOM staff are in separate (lower rate) contracts than THY Technic. TK used HABOM as facility for more lower value and labor intensive work including bidding on contracts for more 3rd rate airlines. Also Turkish Cabin Interior (TCI) the aircraft galley and equipment manufacturer, along with Turkish Seat Industries (TSI) fall under the HABOM umbrella.

I'm sure there are some good legal/tax benefits in the strategy to bring them together.

[Edited 2015-04-21 09:04:04]
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:08 pm

Quoting flyyul (Reply 172):

What's the problem? If it relates to TK and rumors of MIA. It's worth discussing. Like it or not.

Stop complaining and if you don't like the topic. Don't bother paying any attention to it.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:38 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 179):

Quoting flyyul (Reply 172):

What's the problem? If it relates to TK and rumors of MIA. It's worth discussing. Like it or not.

Stop complaining and if you don't like the topic. Don't bother paying any attention to it.

Then bring something new to the table, it's getting really annoying that every time an article containing the words TK and MIA is published the same discussion starts all over again.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:09 pm

According to skyliner-aviation.de, TC-JOH the latest TK A333 will be delivered today.
TC-JOI will be delivered in May, TC-JOJ in June, that leaves two more after that.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:17 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 181):
According to skyliner-aviation.de, TC-JOH the latest TK A333 will be delivered today.

Currently on its way to IST.


http://www.flightradar24.com/THY6900/60fc5ad
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:05 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 181):
According to skyliner-aviation.de, TC-JOH the latest TK A333 will be delivered today.

The amount of wide body jets TK is adding to their fleet this month is just stunning.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:21 pm

Interview with Temel Kotil at the World Travel & Tourism Council Summit this week in Madrid.

Nothing too interesting except little response to question about the A380.

"Of course 380s are nice, good aircraft but this isn’t part of our plan."

http://skift.com/2015/04/21/intervie...-and-different-than-gulf-carriers/
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 184):
"Of course 380s are nice, good aircraft but this isn’t part of our plan."

Man! I would've loved to see the A380 in their livery.

Looks nice, right?

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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 184):
"Of course 380s are nice, good aircraft but this isn’t part of our plan."

I really wonder what is the plan ? or is there a plan 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:48 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 181):
TC-JOH the latest TK A333 will be delivered today.
TC-JOI will be delivered in May, TC-JOJ in June, that leaves two more after that

It seems meanwhile that oddball TC-JNV, ex GF, has left the TK fleet and is now destined for Azul of Brazil.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:05 am

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:34 am

Nice to see an QF 744 in Istanbul. Special one time flight from Perth to SAW for the the Centenary of ANZAC commemorations;
http://kokpit.aero/boeing-747-400-istanbul-da (in Turkish)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:22 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 188):

We discussed this above but it is good to see QR serving ESB daily and also they made it a terminator flight dropping the ESB BEG leg a couple of months ago. This shows the route has potential.

ESB has increasing route development towards ME and CIS lately and historically this is a shift towards E. Comparing 60'ies, 70'ies, 80'ies and even 90'ies other than 1979 ESB TEH by IR and ME serving ESB BEI from 1955 until 1991 almost no routes from ESB towards E (Except tag on flights by PA from ESB to Tehran and Kabul, LH from ESB to Baghdad, SR from ESB to Damascus, BEA from ESB to Tymbou and Tel Aviv) . Today's list of Arbil, Tabriz, Ashqabat and Baku were of course almost impossible due to pre-Cold War politics.

However, ESB really needs to supplement this Eastern exposure to a balancing Western opening, mainly to continental Europe that is in fact a larger market still but TK's dominant position on ESB IST sector is the main stumbling block to competitve market expansion.

I hope at least other Turkish carriers will be allowed to fly between ESB IST and this will then oblige TK to put some direct services ex ESB to compete. The amount of international transit pax between ESB IST is very high....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:43 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 189):
Nice to see an QF 744 in Istanbul. Special one time flight from Perth to SAW for the the Centenary of ANZAC commemorations;
http://kokpit.aero/boeing-747-400-istanbul-da (in Turkish)

Wonderful to see QF VH-OEI in SAW and most of all the occasion which brings the special charter flight to Turkey to commemorate the 100 years of ANZAC.


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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 187):
It seems meanwhile that oddball TC-JNV, ex GF, has left the TK fleet and is now destined for Azul of Brazil.

For what it's worth, JNV flew to IAH yesterday as TK6901 destined for CWT.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting philhyde (Reply 192):
For what it's worth, JNV flew to IAH yesterday as TK6901 destined for CWT.

Best thing that could happen to TK passengers that this bird leaves the fleet...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:01 pm

What happened to TNR & MRU?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:19 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 187):

Fantastic, wasn't exactly in line with Europe's Best Airline standards this one   A nice little improvement to the consistency!
http://alt.planes.cz/en/photo/118835...-thy-tk-istanbul-ataturk-ist-ltba/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:01 am

I like how they use an A380 in the backround:

https://scontent-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/1450130_895800703773742_5919277015936551440_n.jpg?oh=8ad3343f57200bd9465ee3b0764dfa75&oe=55CF0808



Oh! They leaked it! Its been confirmed!   
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:38 am

What has been leaked?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:33 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 197):

An future A380 order. (It's a joke)
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015

Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:26 am

picked up a linke from the German Aviation thread shared by uberflieger which very nicely gives some insights to TK's Germany ops.

http://www.anna.aero/2015/04/22/turk...rlines-grows-in-lufthansas-backya/

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