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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:56 am

Saw an ad in today Dominion Post about the A400M. Airbus are really pushing these ads in the New Zealand market now. The ad said it was in service with several European countries, Malaysia and is currently serving in two conflict areas. The ad went on to say how fantastic the aircraft would be for New Zealand and Pacific Islands disaster relief operations and how much cargo/troops it could carry.
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:45 am

"Cathay Pacific Adds Boeing 777-300ER Auckland Service Dec 2015 – Feb 2016"

Cathay Pacific during Northern Winter 2015/16 season is expanding capacity to New Zealand, as 1 of 2 daily Hong Kong – Auckland service to be operated by Boeing 777-300ER.

CX197 HKG2100 – 1305+1AKL 77W D
CX198 AKL1430 – 2100HKG 77W D

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/03/cx-akl-w15/
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:44 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 2):

Fantastic news!! The beginning of the end of the horrible shell seats. And not long after the end of the 77W, I believe the A350 should be making its way down here.
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:41 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
Fantastic news!! The beginning of the end of the horrible shell seats. And not long after the end of the 77W, I believe the A350 should be making its way down here.

Random question. With LAN removing the A340s from the fleet in two weeks and CX going A359 on the HKG-AKL route next year, will TN be the sole A340 operator at AKL?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:18 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):

Sure will be. Gone are the days of the A340 in AKL. AR, TG and EK will be joined by CX and LA. Then another couple of years before TN gets the 789.
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:49 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Sure will be. Gone are the days of the A340 in AKL.

Thanks. I was not sure if LA, CX and TN were currently the only A340 operators at AKL.  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:58 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Sure will be. Gone are the days of the A340 in AKL. AR, TG and EK will be joined by CX and LA. Then another couple of years before TN gets the 789.

And 343s from SQ and CI/AE and MU and SZ as well.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):

I only recall the SQ 343s going to CHC.. MU seemed like it was a charter which ran for the summer of 2003/4 or something. Can't remember CI or SZ (who are they?). What's the history behind the services you mentioned?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:41 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Saw an ad in today Dominion Post about the A400M. Airbus are really pushing these ads in the New Zealand market now

I can't believe such ads have any effect on the decision making process. Perhaps they believe they have the order in the bag and are softening up the citizenry before the announcement.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:03 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8):

SQ had a triangular routing with 343s.
China Southwest operated once a week for about a month before pulling out. It was supposed to be permanent but the airline was merged shortly after. Was around 2000/2001
CI flew via SYD with 343s after M11 ops finished. Circa 2001. They returned as substitutes to 333s since they returned too
MU was similar timing as CI. I took photos of both from about where g22 is now prior to 11 Sep security at domestic.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:38 pm

What is the minimum turn time NZ uses for a long haul aircraft? I note that it appears to be as little as 1hr 15m at some cities. Looking at the planned 789 operation for AKL-SIN I note the turn time in AKL at 1hr 30m. I wonder whether this is enough time to turn the incoming aircraft for the SIN out bound flight?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:52 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 11):
What is the minimum turn time NZ uses for a long haul aircraft? I note that it appears to be as little as 1hr 15m at some cities. Looking at the planned 789 operation for AKL-SIN I note the turn time in AKL at 1hr 30m. I wonder whether this is enough time to turn the incoming aircraft for the SIN out bound flight?

That must be enough time as there are no other 789's available.

There's AKL-SIN 0115/0645, SIN-AKL 0850/2345 Daily. And AKL-NRT 0115/0815, NRT-AKL 1425/0510 Mo Th Sa.

The later timing of the seasonal AKL-NRT (was 2355/0710 with the 763) lets the AKL-SIN aircraft circulate through the fleet instead of doing AKL-SIN-AKL for a whole week. Also allows for a SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL 2359 arrival.

The NRT 789 could probably do the double AKL-SYD-AKL 0700/1455 and 1605/2359 Tu We Fr Su (but Tu or We is probably downtime day for the 789 fleet). Just another reason for changing NRT-CHC-AKL to NRT-AKL.

And all six 789's would need to have the same configuration to circulate through the fleet for the one day of downtime a week.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 11):
What is the minimum turn time NZ uses for a long haul aircraft? I note that it appears to be as little as 1hr 15m at some cities. Looking at the planned 789 operation for AKL-SIN I note the turn time in AKL at 1hr 30m. I wonder whether this is enough time to turn the incoming aircraft for the SIN out bound flight?

Pretty common for an 90minute turn around at NZ with widebodys, when they got there 789s part of putting them on AKL-SYD-AKL was to test an 75minute turn.

The more hours a week you have have an plane in the air, the more profit you can make. They do some pretty fast turn arounds in the morning when the 77W are late in from the states and they want to keep NZ123/135 ontime.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:42 pm

Can anyone shed some light on this:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/internation...-airlines-to-re-open-flights-to-nz

"Polynesian Airlines to re-open flights to NZ

The Samoa government has announced that Polynesian Airlines will again fly directly to New Zealand and other Pacific countries in June, using a Solomon Airlines Airbus 320/319 aircraft.

The Samoa government says the initiative is to enhance flight services and provide cheaper airfare options for the people of Samoa.

The resumption of Samoa's airline's direct air service to New Zealand will kick off with chartered flights but schedule flights are expected to start in November, with the expectation of the local carrier to operate direct flights on its own aircraft next year."


Presumably this is in direct competition with Virgin Samoa - putting the government of Samoa in competition with itself?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
And all six 789's would need to have the same configuration to circulate through the fleet for the one day of downtime a week.

Thanks for going through the detail. So much for my idea that a revised seating plan could start at frame 5   

Quoting zkncj (Reply 13):
Pretty common for an 90minute turn around at NZ with widebodys, when they got there 789s part of putting them on AKL-SYD-AKL was to test an 75minute turn.

where is the tight spot generally? Getting the cabin ready for loading , getting the catering aboard or getting baggage and cargo off/on?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:23 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 10):

Great, thanks.

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Presumably this is in direct competition with Virgin Samoa - putting the government of Samoa in competition with itself?

Exactly what I thought when I read that...
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Presumably this is in direct competition with Virgin Samoa - putting the government of Samoa in competition with itself?

Or does this mean the Virgin contract is about to be cut? Surely starting another service would be in breach of there current agreement.

Or could this be the start of the end of VA Pacific Island services? with an growning share holding by NZ surely they want the routes back to them self.
 
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:27 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 17):
Or does this mean the Virgin contract is about to be cut? Surely starting another service would be in breach of there current agreement.

It's a puzzlement.

Virgin is 49% owner of Virgin Samoa, and while there is a contract defining terms, it's tough to think Virgin would walk away from what has been a profitable enterprise. In 2013, Virgin Samoa paid a near $1 million dividend to the Samoan government.

I doubt Virgin can just "walk away" - what would happen to their shareholding? But I'd be surprised if a competing (Samoan) airline was allowed in the contract. I thought Virgin had it sewn up.

Meanwhile, Polynesian seems to be doing well, for such a tiny airline:

http://www.talamua.com/polynesian-airlines-returns-1m-profit/

"Polynesian Airlines returns $1m profit

It was a 35% increase from last year’s profit – of $887 116 – which was a massive drop in profit from previous years as earnings took a near-$1 million cut from the loss of Virgin Samoa’s ground handling business in late January 2011."


Is there to be a realignment of Samoan air services, I wonder?

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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:29 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):

Interesting! I really hope WLG gets its old service back as I personally know how full both passenger and especially cargo wise those flights were. The amount of cargo being unloaded was unreal!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:56 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I really hope WLG gets its old service back as I personally know how full both passenger and especially cargo wise those flights were.

Maybe that's the key to it.

Under the terms of the original deal, Virgin chooses the routes for the Samoan subsidiary. If the Samoan government demands a particular route - APW-WLG or APW-CHC say - then assuming Virgin agrees to fly the route the government must reimburse the airline for any losses incurred.

So I could see a situation where Polynesian flies APW to NZ - WLG and/or CHC but not to AKL - and everything else stays as status quo.

I dunno. But it's surely scratching an itch of mine.

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:49 am

It looks like the CHC paint shop is fairly busy these days. NZ sending Mt Cook AT75 ZK-MCO to TSV for painting.

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:06 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Presumably this is in direct competition with Virgin Samoa - putting the government of Samoa in competition with itself?

Yeah this a strange one. There haven;'t been many schedules changes to increase services by VA so I wonder if this is the government giving them a kick in the bum. Also surprised that Jetstar still hasn't dived into the AKL-Pacific Island market. From my understanding these routes are generally pretty lucrative.

Then again , this could just be some terrible reporting
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:41 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 22):
Then again , this could just be some terrible reporting

There's at least a small element of that in it:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
The Samoa government has announced that Polynesian Airlines will again fly directly to New Zealand and other Pacific countries in June, using a Solomon Airlines Airbus 320/319 aircraft.

I'm not aware that Solomon Airlines has any A319's, but - maybe they're leasing in?

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:59 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 22):
Also surprised that Jetstar still hasn't dived into the AKL-Pacific Island market. From my understanding these routes are generally pretty lucrative.

Does Jetstar have rights to fly beyond New Zealand to the Pacific Islands? wouldn't they need to apply for rights, as they are an Australian based airline.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Interesting! I really hope WLG gets its old service back as I personally know how full both passenger and especially cargo wise those flights were. The amount of cargo being unloaded was unreal!

Wasn't part of this the problem, the flights we're fill. but most passngers traveled at mates rates
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:22 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
I'm not aware that Solomon Airlines has any A319's, but - maybe they're leasing in?

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:22 am

Does anyone know when the final 737 flight is planed for NZ? would be pretty cool to get on one of the flights on there last day.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:27 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 25):
H4-BUS A320 msn 302 made 1992.

Yes, I knew Solomon has an A320 - but not an A319.

And even that A320 going to be busy if it's flying for Solomon and Polynesian.

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:40 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 24):
Does Jetstar have rights to fly beyond New Zealand to the Pacific Islands? wouldn't they need to apply for rights, as they are an Australian based airline.

Would that also apply to Virgin Australia? Now that they have given up there New Zealand Air Operators Certificate.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:12 am

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 28):
Would that also apply to Virgin Australia? Now that they have given up there New Zealand Air Operators Certificate.

Doesn't the Single Aviation Market cover it, in the same way that Air NZ flies SYD-RAR?

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:54 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 24):
Does Jetstar have rights to fly beyond New Zealand to the Pacific Islands? wouldn't they need to apply for rights, as they are an Australian based airline.

I assume that, just as NZ can fly NZ-Australia-points beyond, then an Australian carrier can fly Australia-NZ-points beyond? In which case, they can fly to any Pacific island with which Australia has a bilateral that allows a stopover in NZ and claim fifth freedom rights from NZ as well.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:44 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 26):
Does anyone know when the final 737 flight is planed for NZ? would be pretty cool to get on one of the flights on there last day.

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 29):
Doesn't the Single Aviation Market cover it, in the same way that Air NZ flies SYD-RAR?

That service has the same flight number AKL/RAR/SYD and then a new flight number for the reverse. So I think you'll find it's considered an NZ to AU service and reverse.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:41 am

Quoting deconz (Reply 32):
That service has the same flight number AKL/RAR/SYD and then a new flight number for the reverse. So I think you'll find it's considered an NZ to AU service and reverse.

Okay, then - Qantas flying AKL-LAX, as it did, and being able pick-up local Kiwi pax from AKL to LAX.

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:45 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 25):
H4-BUS A320 msn 302 made 1992.

Yes, I knew Solomon has an A320 - but not an A319.

And even that A320 going to be busy if it's flying for Solomon and Polynesian.

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Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:57 am

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 21):

Around the time to travel in convoy with a BNE scheduled flight

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
So I could see a situation where Polynesian flies APW to NZ - WLG and/or CHC but not to AKL - and everything else stays as status quo.

Guess we'll found out shortly!

Quoting zkncj (Reply 24):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 22):Also surprised that Jetstar still hasn't dived into the AKL-Pacific Island market. From my understanding these routes are generally pretty lucrative.
Does Jetstar have rights to fly beyond New Zealand to the Pacific Islands? wouldn't they need to apply for rights, as they are an Australian based airline.

The SAM covers this pretty well, so JQ wouldn't really need permission - even if it did then I'm sure one or two of their AKL/WLG/CHC flights could continue towards the Islands with the same flight number

Quoting zkncj (Reply 24):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):Interesting! I really hope WLG gets its old service back as I personally know how full both passenger and especially cargo wise those flights were. The amount of cargo being unloaded was unreal!

Wasn't part of this the problem, the flights we're fill. but most passngers traveled at mates rates

First I've heard of mates rates airfares. Even if this was the case, cargo isn't cheap and those B738s were always full to the max

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Quoting zkncj (Reply 24):Does Jetstar have rights to fly beyond New Zealand to the Pacific Islands? wouldn't they need to apply for rights, as they are an Australian based airline. Would that also apply to Virgin Australia? Now that they have given up there New Zealand Air Operators Certificate.

SAM covers VA also, if not then an Island flight with the same flight number into/from AKL and Australia will do.
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:59 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 35):
The SAM covers this pretty well, so JQ wouldn't really need permission - even if it did then I'm sure one or two of their AKL/WLG/CHC flights could continue towards the Islands with the same flight number

Wouldn't they need permission from the Pacific Island involved? e.g. Australia isn't very big on open sky agreements etc, so wouldn't in theory they need an agreement to allow them to fly into say APW fron New Zealand.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:13 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 36):
Wouldn't they need permission from the Pacific Island involved? e.g. Australia isn't very big on open sky agreements etc, so wouldn't in theory they need an agreement to allow them to fly into say APW fron New Zealand.

It would be OK from the NZ point of view, given the Aus-NZ bilateral/SAM, but the Australian bilateral with Samoa would need to allow a stopover in NZ en route with fifth freedom rights.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:56 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Presumably this is in direct competition with Virgin Samoa - putting the government of Samoa in competition with itself?

Trying to add capacity without having to share the profits with VA, maybe?

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 21):
It looks like the CHC paint shop is fairly busy these days. NZ sending Mt Cook AT75 ZK-MCO to TSV for painting.

Departed AKL for BNE @ 0630 this morning. Currently flying BNE-TSV.

Takeoff @BNE:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Saw an ad in today Dominion Post about the A400M.

Interestingly, I read a few days ago that the 757s are intended to be replaced in the next five years.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
I believe the A350 should be making its way down here.

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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 9):
Perhaps they believe they have the order in the bag and are softening up the citizenry before the announcement.

Lets hope so.


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Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 37):
Quoting zkncj (Reply 36):
Wouldn't they need permission from the Pacific Island involved? e.g. Australia isn't very big on open sky agreements etc, so wouldn't in theory they need an agreement to allow them to fly into say APW fron New Zealand.

It would be OK from the NZ point of view, given the Aus-NZ bilateral/SAM, but the Australian bilateral with Samoa would need to allow a stopover in NZ en route with fifth freedom rights.

Probably does as Polynesian previously operated an APW-WLG-MEL service.
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 15):
Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
And all six 789's would need to have the same configuration to circulate through the fleet for the one day of downtime a week.

Thanks for going through the detail. So much for my idea that a revised seating plan could start at frame 5   

Now we know what the six 789's are doing. Should not be much longer before we find out where the AKL-SIN 77E will go. My guess is AKL-LAX/SFO to replace a 77W to ORD.

77W x 7:
AKL-LAX-LHR Daily (3 aircraft) -- NZ2/NZ1
AKL-LAX-AKL 3 per week (1 aircraft) -- NZ6/NZ5
AKL-SFO-AKL 3 per week (1 aircraft ) -- NZ8/NZ7
AKL-ORD-AKL Daily (2 aircraft)

77E x 8:
AKL-HKG-AKL Daily (2 aircraft)
AKL-YVR-AKL Daily (2 aircraft)
AKL-EZE-AKL 3 per week (1 aircraft)
AKL-SFO-AKL 4 per week (1 aircraft ) -- NZ8/NZ7
AKL-LAX-AKL 4 per week (1 aircraft) -- NZ6/NZ5
AKL-LAX-AKL 2 or 3 per week (1 aircraft) -- NZ4/NZ3

After 54 days in the hangar ZK-OKG has had the upgrade and did AKL-SYD-AKL on Friday followed by AKL-SIN-AKL.

And Hugh, a Michael D. on the main 'Flying Colours Aviation' Facebook page saw ZK-MCO landing in BNE yesterday!

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Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:51 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 36):

That is something I'm interested in knowing also as New Zealand has good relationships with the Island nations in terms of air travel.

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 38):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):Saw an ad in today Dominion Post about the A400M.Interestingly, I read a few days ago that the 757s are intended to be replaced in the next five years.

No! Will be sad to see the B752s leaving so soon. Would have thought they would have at least another 10 years left in them
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:16 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 36):
Wouldn't they need permission from the Pacific Island involved? e.g. Australia isn't very big on open sky agreements etc, so wouldn't in theory they need an agreement to allow them to fly into say APW fron New Zealand.

Australia already has an air services agreement with Western Samoa - quite an interesting one:

http://www.paclii.org/pits/en/treaty_database/2000/1.html

A Samoan airline can fly from APW to any three ports in Australia, either direct or through "intermediate points" such as Auckland, Wellington, Nadi, Nuku'alofa and Vila, but no rights "beyond" Australia.

An Australian airline can fly from Australia to Samoa direct or through the same intermediate points (except New Zealand is generalised as the whole country) - and beyond, to North and South America, as well as the specified intermediate points, including AKL.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 41):
No! Will be sad to see the B752s leaving so soon.

It is hard to believe that something as noisy and expensive to run as a four engine turboprop will ever be used as a VIP aircraft.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 43):

Maybe there's an A319CJ as a sweetener..
It's all about the destination AND the journey.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 42):
Australia already has an air services agreement with Western Samoa - quite an interesting one:

What a crummy deal for Samoa. I'm not sure why the Aussies would be restrictive - who does that benefit? I don't doubt they high-fived on that one but you'd think passengers would benefit more from more access to Australia.

And I wonder how it relates to Virgin Samoa. Is it classified a Samoan airline? The interchangeability of its sole aircraft with the rest of the Virgin fleet and the connections via AKL to MEL, SYD, OOL, BNE, not to emotion the NZ links, would seemingly undermine the whole point of the agreement.

Anyway, I've never really understood bilaterals. I'd look forward to more competition on island routes. I understand it's been a pretty lucrative venture for Virgin.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 45):
And I wonder how it relates to Virgin Samoa. Is it classified a Samoan airline?

Yes,

The shareholding is 49% Samoan Government and 2% Aggie Grey Hotels (or nominees) for a majority holding of 51% and it has a Samoan board of directors. As such, all the bilateral rights of a Samoan airline are available to it.

The enterprise has been very profitable. In 2013 the airline (Virgin Samoa) paid a dividend of $930,000 to the Samoan government.

http://www.samoaobserver.ws/local-ne...gin-samoa-presents-930000-dividend

"Virgin Samoa presents $930,000 dividend"

However, in 2009, when it was still Polynesian Blue, the dividend was US $3.5 million:

http://pidp.eastwestcenter.org/pireport/2009/December/12-11-18.htm

"APIA, Samoa (Newsline Samoa Newspaper, Dec. 10, 2009) - In Apia yesterday, the Board of Polynesian Blue presented WST$9 million [US$3.5 million] to the Government of Samoa."

The airline had been so successful that Virgin Blue was said to be considering duplicating the model with other small island airlines, but sadly nothing more has been heard of that since John Borgehtti became CEO.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:33 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
My guess is AKL-LAX/SFO to replace a 77W to ORD.

Not sure about a this one. Only good for about max. passenger westbound . Is that good enough?

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
And Hugh, a Michael D. on the main 'Flying Colours Aviation' Facebook page saw ZK-MCO landing in BNE yesterday!

No doubt one of the Aus. D's. There are quite a mob of them whereas the NZ D's are down to about 5 or 6 males.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:07 am

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Why misuse a 77W to Chicago when it can operate normally to Houston?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 156

Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:54 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
My guess is AKL-LAX/SFO to replace a 77W to ORD.

Sounds like someone is in the know! Hopefully the timings is right for good connections or else I'll continue with flying via Australia.
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