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RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:53 pm

According to the PHX Spotters facebook page, rumor has it that AA will be putting the 767-300 on PHX-HNL as of June and replacing the BA 747 with an AA 77W on the PHX-LHR route as of October.

No firm source is noted, but it is a good conversation point. Hope that it's true though!  

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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:55 pm

Could see the HNL thing happening, perhaps.

Sincerely doubt the LHR thing though... unless we hear of some quid pro quo in another market, that equalizes the capacity tradeoff.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:08 pm

I could see PHX-HNL getting an upgrade. It scould use the seat bump! Would go in line with DL's use of 763s on SLC-HNL for years.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:10 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Thread starter):
rumor has it that AA will be putting the 767-300 on PHX-HNL

How much greater is it's range than the 762, or is it less? If I am not mistaken the main reason US withdrew CLT-HNL is because it made more unscheduled stops in PHX or LAX than anticipated.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:10 pm

So funny...I saw that Facebook post and decided to turn to A.net to see if the rumor had any legitimacy. Of course, the thread points back to the unreliable source of the Facebook page. LOL.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):
How much greater is it's range than the 762, or is it less? If I am not mistaken the main reason US withdrew CLT-HNL is because it made more unscheduled stops in PHX or LAX than anticipated.

A 763 has no issue flying PHX-HNL, it is well within its range. HA does it every day.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 1):
Could see the HNL thing happening, perhaps.

Sincerely doubt the LHR thing though... unless we hear of some quid pro quo in another market, that equalizes the capacity tradeoff.

Agree - 763 on PHX-HNL actually makes some sense, particularly in-season.

I agree, though, that it's hard to imagine AA putting a 77W on PHX-LHR - I don't think it's totally unthinkable that AA could replace BA on this route, but the 77W doesn't seem like the appropriate aircraft to do it.
 
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:24 pm

I'd be shocked if was an AA 77W on PHX-LHR. I expect it would be an AA 772 in the new 2-class configuration.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:26 pm

I would not hold my breath about a wide bodied flight from PHX to HNL anytime soon. AA has been using the 767 to HNL only from DFW and I don't see a large number of holiday goers heading from PHX-HNL. If anything you may see an increase in the number of flights to provide better connections through PHX.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
I agree, though, that it's hard to imagine AA putting a 77W on PHX-LHR

That was the most surprising part of the rumor, which is why I pointed to the lack of a firm source in the post. Unless the cargo capacity is what they're actually after.

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 4):
So funny...I saw that Facebook post and decided to turn to A.net to see if the rumor had any legitimacy. Of course, the thread points back to the unreliable source of the Facebook page. LOL.

 
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 5):
Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):How much greater is it's range than the 762, or is it less? If I am not mistaken the main reason US withdrew CLT-HNL is because it made more unscheduled stops in PHX or LAX than anticipated.
A 763 has no issue flying PHX-HNL, it is well within its range. HA does it every day.

And AA flies it everyday DFW-HNL and DFW-OGG. I can see where I was unclear but what I was wondering is what is the possibility of AA re launching CLT-HNL with a 763, if it has greater range.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 5):

Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):
How much greater is it's range than the 762, or is it less? If I am not mistaken the main reason US withdrew CLT-HNL is because it made more unscheduled stops in PHX or LAX than anticipated.

A 763 has no issue flying PHX-HNL, it is well within its range. HA does it every day.


HA flys the 767ER's to Japan every day... HNL-PHX is a piece of cake! (HA also does that every day)
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:42 pm

Quoting flynhi808 (Reply 11):

HA flys the 767ER's to Japan every day... HNL-PHX is a piece of cake! (HA also does that every day)

DL flew the 767-300ER from ATL-OGG; the 767-400 does EWR-HNL and it has less range than the 767-300ER. If SU could do SEA-Moscow and DL could do SEA-PEK with a 767-300ER, PHX-HNL is a cake walk in the park for this model.

I'm still wondering why either AA or JL doesn't start PHX-NRT. I know there was another thread on this recently, but it would make sense given PHX's large population and the onward connecting opportunities all over Asia.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:45 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
I don't think it's totally unthinkable that AA could replace BA on this route, but the 77W doesn't seem like the appropriate aircraft to do it.

Sure, but that's not even the part I had the most contention with.

I'm not as familiar with the AA/BA JV as with the others... but pretty sure AA can't just take over a BA route (especially with 300seats+) without BA either adding, or swapping with AA, for capacity elsewhere.

Then again, if the rumors of BA launching places like MSY and/or STL next year prove prescient, maybe that's where the capacity would be made up.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:53 pm

Sure - AA is going to put its most premium heavy aircraft on a route from its least premium heavy hub

[Edited 2015-04-03 15:10:03]
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):
How much greater is it's range than the 762, or is it less?

US had some of the oldest 762ERs still in service, their lower MTOW limited their range.

The 762ERs belonging to airlines like LY and (for former) CO had significantly more range than any 763ER.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 10):
I can see where I was unclear but what I was wondering is what is the possibility of AA re launching CLT-HNL with a 763, if it has greater range.

There would be no point. There is is little local demand and it overflies at least three (four if you include Chicago) other hubs...
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:00 pm

The person who runs the page says the source "is the AA schedule that has been provided to us."

I smell something fishy.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
I'd be shocked if was an AA 77W on PHX-LHR. I expect it would be an AA 772 in the new 2-class configuration.

  
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 16):
There would be no point. There is is little local demand and it overflies at least three (four if you include Chicago) other hubs...

I would not count ORD as AA has not flown to Hawaii from ORD in what seems like almost a decade now. CLT, PHX, LAX, and DFW do not offer all the same spokes and while I do not anticipate the new AA having much interest in re-launching this market now that they have the right equipment, it still would not surprise me if they did.



[Edited 2015-04-03 15:09:42]
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:20 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
I'd be shocked if was an AA 77W on PHX-LHR. I expect it would be an AA 772 in the new 2-class configuration.

Bingo. Especially considering that PHX was one of the four or five
routes where they are no longer selling F...they're using 744's which
will not be getting the F/J-cabins refitted like the other 744's they use
for, say, JFK. They selling the "old" F cabin as J, giving a total of
66 J seats (and 36W + 235Y)...and I imagine that elites are given
seat assignments in the "old" F cabin on a first-come-first-served
basis, but it will still be the J cabin service...you just get the better
seat.

But that being said, I still don't see BA just turning over what must
be a profitable route (or they'd have cut it years ago) to AA...makes no sense.
There would have to be some quid pro quo in the context of the JV, that AA would turn over
some profitable route of theirs to BA in return.

763's to HNL? Yes, I can see that easily, as others stated above.

[Edited 2015-04-03 15:24:18]
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:30 pm

I emailed Andrew Nocella . VP of planning of AA about this . His response was a big fat NO. This will not be happening ..
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:37 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Thread starter):
767-300 on PHX-HNL

The configuration is all wrong. Way too premium. If a widebody were to serve this route it should be a PMUS A333 or maybe a reconfigured AA 772 if those ever actually happen in quantity.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Thread starter):
AA 77W on the PHX-LHR route

No disrespect to PHX, but AA has much bigger fish to fry with those 77Ws. Again a reconfigured AA 772 would work.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:38 pm

AA right now flys two 752's to HNL and in the summer they add a third. This could be a two for one swap that would/could be a better economic decision. Take two of the oldest 752's and replace with one 763 is a logical decision.

As for the LHR-PHX the demand is there for the flight. In the off season it goes from a seven time a day to a six, but it has been a 744 for a long time. AA and BA are Oneworld members and this could be a code-share where BA can use their 744 on another (new) route and AA takes over the metal of the route.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:41 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 3):
How much greater is it's range than the 762, or is it less?

Not really an issue anyway since US and AA both have retired their entire 762 fleets.
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 22):
As for the LHR-PHX the demand is there for the flight. In the off season it goes from a seven time a day to a six, but it has been a 744 for a long time.

Do you see the contradiction in that statement?
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 19):
But that being said, I still don't see BA just turning over what must
be a profitable route (or they'd have cut it years ago) to AA...makes no sense.
There would have to be some quid pro quo in the context of the JV, that AA would turn over
some profitable route of theirs to BA in return.

It's not profits. They share those.

It's more capacity + staffing.
One can't just cede a ton of metal use to the other, with nothing in return... the unions would burn down AA/BAs headquarters if they tried that, and rightfully so IMO.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting spacepope (Reply 23):
Not really an issue anyway since US and AA both have retired their entire 762 fleets.

US discontinued CLT-HNL largely because the 762 diverted too frequently. The range of the 762 was the issue as that is the aircraft that was flown on that route and the diversions were due to the range of that aircraft.

[Edited 2015-04-03 15:57:23]
 
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:58 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 24):
Do you see the contradiction in that statement?

Nope, if is was a non-solvent flight they would not restore it to a seven days a week. They would also now keep a 744 on the route, but swap it out with a smaller 772.

They did the reductions for a month when the economy in AZ was in the toilet.
 
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 22):

AA right now flys two 752's to HNL and in the summer they add a third. This could be a two for one swap that would/could be a better economic decision. Take two of the oldest 752's and replace with one 763 is a logical decision.

How is replacing 380 seats with 220 a logical decision?
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 22):
As for the LHR-PHX the demand is there for the flight. In the off season it goes from a seven time a day to a six, but it has been a 744 for a long time.

I think you meant six tims a week.   Six flights a day would be very impressive 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:09 pm

I'm fairly certain that the BA LHR-PHX goes back to a 4 class 744 service for winter 15/16 same as the other routes such as LAS



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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 21):
767-300 on PHX-HNL
The configuration is all wrong. Way too premium. If a widebody were to serve this route it should be a PMUS A333 or maybe a reconfigured AA 772 if those ever actually happen in quantity

AA should do like DL and UA and do like they themselves did in the 80s and 90s and have a separate configuration for Hawaii (Hawaii/Caribbean for AA) and stop flying J configured 763s DFW to Hawaii, which is no more premium than PHX. Or at least have a small sub-fleet of standard domestic configuration with regular F seats where they could also use on other domestic markets too.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:12 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 28):
How is replacing 380 seats with 220 a logical decision?

Yeah, you got me on that one...... I just know that I avoid the US 752's in favor of HA's 763.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:15 pm

If AA has extra planes seems like the 767 is a no brainer on PHX-HNL extra cargo and range.

Us had all the 767s so far east it only made sense to use a 757. Now with AA this seems like a 767 makes alot more sense.

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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Thread starter):
According to the PHX Spotters facebook page, rumor has it that AA will be putting the 767-300 on PHX-HNL as of June and replacing the BA 747 with an AA 77W on the PHX-LHR route as of October.

AA has far better and wiser uses for 777 never mind a 77W, those are for GRU, LHR and Hong Kong.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:20 pm

The 763 would do wonders on PHX HNL but this seems like a starion rumor. Maybe someone saw some lines painted at the gates (maybe for diversions) and decided to grt this ball rollong.
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Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:40 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 33):

If AA has extra planes seems like the 767 is a no brainer on PHX-HNL extra cargo and range.

But how much cargo is coming and going from PHX to HNL on HA and US?

Quoting chepos (Reply 35):
The 763 would do wonders on PHX HNL but this seems like a starion rumor. Maybe someone saw some lines painted at the gates (maybe for diversions) and decided to grt this ball rollong.

It is still more believable then the 77W to LHR or better yet, service to Asia.   
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:02 am

As for the 763, PHX-HNL, why not? Doesn't this flight depend on connecting passengers instead of local O&D? There are many markets that can only be connected through PHX without having to double back, or double connect. Doesn't HA carry most of the local travelers? Not to mention the power of the AAdvantage passengers.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 13):
I'm not as familiar with the AA/BA JV as with the others... but pretty sure AA can't just take over a BA route (especially with 300seats+) without BA either adding, or swapping with AA, for capacity elsewhere.

I don't mean to come off as a jerk, smart a$$, or trying to start an argument, but I don't understand why BA couldn't give this slot for an AA 777. They are both Oneworld. Isn't LHR open skies, and my understanding is, anyone can fly there as long as they have a slot? Wouldn't the AA777 carry the same passengers as the BA744, and do it more efficiently?


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Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Thread starter):
replacing the BA 747 with an AA 77W on the PHX-LHR route as of October.

As most have pointed out, the PHX-HNL on a 763 I can see, but the brand new 77W going on the PHX-LHR route......Errr nope, can't see that one happening. I could see BA/AA trading off one of the Vegas rotations, but even then I would expect a 772 on the route.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 21):

No disrespect to PHX, but AA has much bigger fish to fry with those 77Ws

Exactly.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 28):
How is replacing 380 seats with 220 a logical decision?

It depends on the yields on those extra 160 seats, if they are just trash Y seats, then the airline can make the same $$$ flying a 220 seat aircraft.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 36):

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 33):

If AA has extra planes seems like the 767 is a no brainer on PHX-HNL extra cargo and range.

But how much cargo is coming and going from PHX to HNL on HA and US?

Quite a bit on US, at least when I was there. To not bulk out a 757 was a rare occurrence with HNL outbounds. Inbounds were the same way; lots of SE Asia-originating cargo off the CI flight in HNL.
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:07 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 38):
As most have pointed out, the PHX-HNL on a 763 I can see, but the brand new 77W going on the PHX-LHR route......Errr nope, can't see that one happening. I could see BA/AA trading off one of the Vegas rotations, but even then I would expect a 772 on the route.

Believe me, I completely agree. This rumor's level of credibility went south fast when I read about the 77W.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:18 am

It must be network wide because I'm booked on a AA 763 MIA-MCO then a US A332 from MCO-PHL in a couple of weeks.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:39 am

The PHX-LHR route always seemed like a future 787-9 route to me, whether it be on AA or BA. I definitely don't see a 77W on the route...especially with the additional 77W recently added to LAX. Now maybe if BA switched to their own 77W instead of the 744, I could maybe see it, but I don't see AA doing it. I'm actually quite shocked BA has been able to fill a 744 this entire time to a non-AA hub before the merger and additional codeshare.
 
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Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 20):
I emailed Andrew Nocella . VP of planning of AA about this . His response was a big fat NO. This will not be happening ..

Which? The 77W to LHR, the 763 to HNL, or both?
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 am

Quoting jc2354 (Reply 37):
but I don't understand why BA couldn't give this slot for an AA 777.

They can in the sense that there's nothing legally stopping them...

...but they have a JV that likely includes reciprocity requirements (similar to what DL/AF/etc's JV does).

So if BA gives up 350+ seats to AA LHR-PHX, that's fine, but BA's going to have to make up that capacity elsewhere in the N.Am system. They can swap out another extant flight (e.g., JFK/ORD-LHR) frequency with AA, or they could add additional routes (e.g. MSY/STL-LHR) to bring the balance back into synch.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:11 am

Last I heard, a few of the former HP 757s were headed for retirement soon and the expectation was that L-US 757s would take over the route. L-AA 763s make a lot more sense. I don't think they will have a problem filling more seats and carrying cargo.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:13 am

This is all very interesting but what I was wondering is whether AA will ever bring the A330 to PHX. That's what I was hoping for.
 
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:27 am

Quoting richiemo (Reply 46):
I was wondering is whether AA will ever bring the A330 to PHX. That's what I was hoping for.

That seems more like a possibility than a 77W.


I'm sure PHX would get 787 love as well.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:03 am

The A330 has at peak periods operated into PHX (2014 for the Spring and Fall/holidays soon). Both from CLT and PHL.
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RE: RUMOR: AA Bringing Heavies To PHX

Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:45 am

Wow - I didn't think the A330 ever set foot in PHX. Maybe it shouldn't surprise me. But I'll have to search for photos. Now I'm hoping for AA 772s and 773s to appear in PHL once the merger is complete

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