DL has operated the ATL-SCL route for quite some time. How is DL doing in the route, after UA opened IAH-SCL and AA upgraded to all 777 into SCL (year round?). Also, DL used to have a call center in Santiago that has closed since. Any idea of the long term plan if any?
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- slcdeltarumd11
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
ATL is such a connection powerhouse, I would think its holding its own purely off connections. I haven't heard anything to indicate the route is hurting or anything negative
RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
Cargo alone should be keeping the route afloat.......seems that during salmon season, the plane is filled up almost every day with fish. I think the same goes for asparagus out of LIM.
I seem to remember that, even when I was still working, pre-2005, we were getting gold shipments, at least once a week from SCL, via ATL. I'm sure that may have been other cities that were receiving the same type of shipments.
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I seem to remember that, even when I was still working, pre-2005, we were getting gold shipments, at least once a week from SCL, via ATL. I'm sure that may have been other cities that were receiving the same type of shipments.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
During 2014, DAL transported 130,754 pax on the SCL-ATL route which represents an increase of 4.9% compared to 2013. However, DAL only transported 8,384 tons of cargo which represents a significant decrease of -30.6% compared to 2013. During January and February of this year, DAL transported 22,901 pax on the SCL-ATL route which represents an increase of 4.8% compared to the same period during 2014. During this same period, DAL only transported 929 tons of cargo which represents a significant decrease of -43.5% compared to the same period during 2014.
Source: Junta Aeronáutica Civil de Chile
Source: Junta Aeronáutica Civil de Chile
RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3): During 2014, DAL transported 130,754 pax on the SCL-ATL route which represents an increase of 4.9% compared to 2013. However, DAL only transported 8,384 tons of cargo which represents a significant decrease of -30.6% compared to 2013. During January and February of this year, DAL transported 22,901 pax on the SCL-ATL route which represents an increase of 4.8% compared to the same period during 2014. During this same period, DAL only transported 929 tons of cargo which represents a significant decrease of -43.5% compared to the same period during 2014. |
Which reflects a reduction of cargo hauled, in general. It appears that pax numbers have come back since 2008, whereas cargo has not. My mistake.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3): During 2014, DAL transported 130,754 pax on the SCL-ATL route which represents an increase of 4.9% compared to 2013. However, DAL only transported 8,384 tons of cargo which represents a significant decrease of -30.6% compared to 2013. During January and February of this year, DAL transported 22,901 pax on the SCL-ATL route which represents an increase of 4.8% compared to the same period during 2014. During this same period, DAL only transported 929 tons of cargo which represents a significant decrease of -43.5% compared to the same period during 2014. Source: Junta Aeronáutica Civil de Chile |
Didn't United recently restart SCL after a long absence? Some cargo that used to fly on DL through ATL may be on UA aircraft now.
What is the cachement area for cargo departing SCL? Are perishables from Mendoza shipped over the border through SCL or routed through EZE?
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
Cargo is a big part of a flight revenue break even point, so that is worrisome. DL has never really changed anything about its supply to SCL, other than the seasonal equipment upgrade from 763 to 764. I wonder if they'd ever consider go head on againsLA on the JFK-SCL route? Maybe when they get the A350?
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting mayor (Reply 4): Which reflects a reduction of cargo hauled, in general. It appears that pax numbers have come back since 2008, whereas cargo has not. My mistake. |
The main factor contributing to the increase in pax numbers between Chile and the U.S. is due to the fact that Chileans no longer require visas to enter or transit via any point in the U.S. If we look at the numbers for DAL and UAL during January and February of this year, DAL outperforms UAL both in the number pax and tons of cargo transported. UAL transported 19,098 pax on the SCL-IAH route during January and February; whereas DAL transported 22,901 pax on the SCL-ATL route during the first two months of this year. Concurrently, DAL transported 929 tons of cargo during the first two months of this year; whereas UAL only transported 609 tons of cargo during the same period. It is important to note that DAL is a well established carrier in the Chilean market; whereas UAL is still considered as a new entrant.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
Let's dig a little deeper. You generally won't see a cargo drop off like that for no reason. Waht equipment were they operating for most of 2013 vs 2014.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8): Let's dig a little deeper. You generally won't see a cargo drop off like that for no reason. |
There are two main factors. Firstly, the Chilean economy has cooled off during past year and secondly the market is extremely competitive compared to 2013 due to the fact that more airlines and cargo operators are fighting for the same piece of cake.
| Quoting eastern023 (Reply 6): I wonder if they'd ever consider go head on againsLA on the JFK-SCL route? |
I'm sure they have considered it. However it would negatively affect DAL's performance on the SCL-ATL route. It seems that DL is adhering to its policy of "capacity disciple" in Latin America. Meanwhile, LAN will increase capacity on strategic routes, i.e. the SCL-JFK route with the introduction of the 787-9 a/c. Additionally, LAN will increase frequencies on the SCL-JFK route during June, July and August utilizing both the 763 and 787-8 a/c.
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| Quoting eastern023 (Reply 6): I wonder if they'd ever consider go head on againsLA on the JFK-SCL route? |
If this route cant survive out of ATL, no way would JFK make any sense you would loose SO many connection cities. ATL is a great geographical location for this flight. ATL has all the connection opportunities including access to JFK, LGA, EWR, SWF, ALB . Delta would loose out on so many connection cites by moving this to the northeast. SCL is a pretty small city to the US, they need all those connections to make this work.
RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 10): If this route cant survive out of ATL, no way would JFK make any sense you would loose SO many connection cities. |
During the first two months of the year, all the pax carriers that operate direct flights between SCL and North America (excluding UAL since they are a new entrant) have seen an increase in pax LFs (the only exception was AC which saw a -2% decrease in pax LFs). However, in terms of cargo transported during this period, LAN Airlines, *Air Canada and **AeroMéxico have experienced very *strong* growth compared to the same period in 2014. Now that we are in the low season, many of these carriers have decreased capacity on flights to SCL (AC even though I love the 767-300ER we're waiting for the 787-8 from YYZ)!
*Air Canada deploys the 77W on the YYZ-SCL route during the high season.
**AeroMéxico introduced the 787-8 on the SCL-MEX route early this year.
RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
Of course, it might make a difference, cargo wise, if they would switch from a 767-300/400 to an A330-200/300, just because of the difference in size between LD-2s and LD-3s.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting mayor (Reply 12): Of course, it might make a difference, cargo wise, if they would switch from a 767-300/400 to an A330-200/300, just because of the difference in size between LD-2s and LD-3s. |
The cargo market has recently become extremely competitive ex-SCL with AA operating the 777 on all routes to SCL, LAN ditching its order for more 787-8s in favor of the 787-9s, plus new operators that have entered the market including Centurion, Etihad Cargo, KE Cargo, KLM Cargo, QT, etc.
RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
The 757 wouldn't have the range for ATL-SCL right?
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| Quoting rta (Reply 14): The 757 wouldn't have the range for ATL-SCL right? |
I don't even have to investigate this. I am sure the answer is NO.
I have no doubt DL does better than UA on the route, for UA the route is brand new. Okay, okay, UA served SCL ages ago, but it is so long ago it isn't very relevant now.
CO also served EWR-SCL nonstop ages ago, in the 90's I think with the DC10.
I am sure DL does well to SCL, it has been there for ages.
I have heard UA considers the route is success even though it is brand new.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting rta (Reply 14): The 757 wouldn't have the range for ATL-SCL right? |
Its 4110 Nautical miles great circle, and you can't fly that way.
So it could make it with a reduced load but there's no point when you can just put a 767 on the route, carry far more passengers, cargo and do it comfortably.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting eastern023 (Reply 6): DL has never really changed anything about its supply to SCL, other than the seasonal equipment upgrade from 763 to 764. |
They did experiment with 10x/week service during the southern summer for a couple of years a decade ago or so. It did not work well.
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RE: How Is DL Doing On ATL-SCL (Santiago)?
| Quoting rta (Reply 14): |
SCL is about 500? miles further than BSB. They did BSB forever but with a passenger cap. I dont think SCL would be practical.
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