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French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:22 pm

Be informed that series of industrial actions are expect to occur in France starting this week.

First French Air Traffic Control services unions DSNA and SNCTA has notified of strike action from 0400GMT 8th April until 0400GMT April 10th.
In addition there is a general strike of government transport workers scheduled for 9th April.

As result French government has proposed following modifications to airline programs to cope with reduced capability.

April 08
40% reduction of flights at three Paris’ airports (Paris-CDG, Paris-Orly, Paris-Beauvais),
40% at Lyon, Nice, Marseille, Toulouse, Bordeaux and Nantes;

April 09
50% globally for the three Paris’ airports (Paris-CDG, Paris-Orly, Paris-Beauvais),
50% at Lyon, Nice, Marseille, Toulouse, Bordeaux and Nantes.

The final decision to mandate the reduction of flights program will be announced on Tuesday April 7 at 1230 GMT.

Further additional ATC strike action placed on calender with formal notification for periods April 16 to 18 and April 29 to May 2.

SNCTA had previously called a strike for March 25-28 but had cancelled it in the wake of the 4U9525 crash.


Air France informs on its website it expects to adapt its flight program by afternoon of April 7 when further instructions will be shared with public.

http://www.airfrance.fr/FR/en/local/...ws/news-air-traffic-air-france.htm
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:29 pm

While the Europeans do strike, at the same time the Chinese work harder and harder, and more important, smarter than ever. Some guys haven't noticed yet that the World has changed A LOT in the last two decades. RIP Europe.

[Edited 2015-04-06 10:42:34]
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 2):
RIP Europe.

Let's not exaggerate like crazy people.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:09 pm

Quoting Tchocky (Reply 3):

In 50 years Europe will be gone, and not only economically but most important demographically. No country has the ability to evolve if it fails to renew its population. It's the first time in the History of the Humankind this is happening in Europe, and the only major countries that have a renewable fertility rate, France and UK, is due to the African/Asian immigrants. The XXI century will be entertaining in terms of politics and economics, i wish i could live more 100 years to see what will happen.

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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:36 pm

France should have been kicked out of Europe and the Euro a long time ago. Unions are things that belong to mother Russia, I agree indeed with previous posters that you sign a contract with a company. Don't like the company? Go.. The focus is too much on local in Europe instead of Global. Bring back the 45 hr workweek please, I wouldn't mind.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:48 pm

In fairness while I am sure spring is a beautiful time in France to strike, much of ATC in Europe are up in arms recent times. There have been strikes in Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Portugal in the last year.

Concept like 'single sky' are causing quite some heartburn both in the government circles and union levels.

From what I understand about France there are a host of issues including new EU driven licensing requirements for controllers, work policy changes along with changes to current age 59 retirement for controllers.
In addition unions allege that French government on purpose not filled open positions to improve its budget at the expense of safety and mandatory over time.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting bleudefrance (Reply 2):
at the same time the Chinese work harder and harder
Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):
Unions are things that belong to mother Russia

Ah yes, we should all be more like China.... overwork people to the point of companies needing to place nets around their buildings, to stop desperately-exhausted workers from committing suicide from the roofs.



Great suggestion. Let's be more like them.  
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7):
overwork people to the point of companies needing to place nets around their buildings, to stop desperately-exhausted workers from committing suicide from the roofs.

Those nets will not held a person falling, most probably they are to protect people walking down the street from any falling debris while constructing, repairing or washing a building.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:05 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 7):
Those nets will not held a person falling, most probably they are to protect people walking down the street from any falling debris while constructing, repairing or washing a building.

Nope. It is very well known that those nets are for suicide prevention.

Even five seconds of research could've told you that; or better yet, use Google Images-- it'll *show* you that.   

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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:02 am

French ATC is going on strike...It is summer already ?
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:16 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
France should have been kicked out of Europe and the Euro a long time ago.


Without France, the EU is nothing.


Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Unions are things that belong to mother Russia, I agree indeed with previous posters that you sign a contract with a company.

Unions are "things" that belong to a mature, democratic society. It's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about ...in Russia unions were illegal as according to the soviet establishment, unions were not longer need once the socialist ideal is reached.

The only arm for lobbying that salaried employee has is the right to go strike.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Don't like the company? Go.

Don't like life? suicide! ... ridiculous, right? Things are not so simple.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
The focus is too much on local in Europe instead of Global.

Europe must be an ideal for the World, instead the Third World be a model for Europe. A world with 3000 million illiterate people who are often destitute, exploited and unable to have their own voice is unacceptable.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Bring back the 45 hr workweek please, I wouldn't mind.

Be yourself the first one to ask it, work longer just for free ...and leave other alone.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:29 pm

DGCA orders airlines to trim flight activity by minimum 40% on Wednesday.

http://www.developpement-durable.gou...0-des-vols-annules-mercredi-8.html
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:52 pm

AA & DL have posted travel advisories for France and BA says it has cancelled 90 of near 120 French services on Wednesday.

Going to be a bit messy.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:32 pm

AA/US is operating MIA/DFW(enroute)/PHL/CLT-CDG, JFK and ORD today CX.. JFK-CDG (Flight 120 as of now is scheduled to operate).

Trying to get to MAD on Tuesday of next week hoping the nrsa gods are on my side and this does not cause too much commotion.

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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
BA says it has cancelled 90 of near 120 French services on Wednesday.

BA have only cancelled 10 roundtrips (20 sectors) to France tomorrow.

2 x LHR-CDG-LHR
1 x LHR-MRS-LHR
1 x LCY-NCE-LCY
1 x LGW-NCE-LGW
2 x LHR-NCE-LHR
2 x LHR-ORY-LHR
1 x LHR-TLS-LHR


They have also cancelled 2 x LHR-BCN-LHR rotations
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:41 pm

I am glad that I am NOT flying to France any time soon.

The endless strikes do not encourage visitors.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:34 am

I'm now in the AF lounge CDG T2F waiting for my flight to Vienna : only around 10 flights have been cancelled!
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:03 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 9):
French ATC is going on strike...It is summer already ?

No. But two of the three strike days coincide with the start and end of spring vacation in Paris and other regions of France, thus upsetting many people's travel plans.

Don't worry, the French public sector strikes have not lost the touch for compensating their lack of responsibility by ability to upset other people's lives.

Quoting icarus75 (Reply 16):

I'm now in the AF lounge CDG T2F waiting for my flight to Vienna : only around 10 flights have been cancelled!

Huh??? Certainly you're not seeing the whole picture from where you are (the screens in the 2F lounge only show flights leaving from 2F, and only for a very limited time window).

Only Air France has cancelled the following flights this morning, and this is not even looking at the entire day and not looking at substantial delays and further cancellations that are likely to happen "on the spot" in the course of the day. I am not blaming Air France but a bunch of irresponsible and reckless air traffic controllers who refuse to see that they are providing a necessary public service

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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:51 am

Hi,

Quoting mercure1 (Thread starter):
First French Air Traffic Control services unions DSNA and SNCTA

To be precise, SNCTA is the biggest union amongst French ATC (represents just under 50% of the workers as of last December). DSNA is the Air Navigation Services Provider or ANSP in France, an entity that is part of the DGAC and operates the control towers and ACCs.
Today is a SNCTA strike, tomorrow is more generalized in the public sector.
SNCTA issued similar strike warnings for april 16th-18th and april 29th-may2nd. They were hoping that such a warning would push management and the governement out of their "wait and let rot" position into negociations, specifically over redesigning the working shifts, the retiring conditions, and updating the equipment. It didn't. They now hope that this strike will show how determinated ATC are and things will move forward before the second strike is due.

Personally, seeing how it goes in other sectors (French public radio is entering its 4th week of strike, and the governement doesn't show any sign of letting go) I'm really pessimistic about this thing.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:58 pm

Air France says it cancelled about 2/3 of shorthaul flights and 40% of medium haul flights.
Ryanair canceled about 250 services, EasyJet 118, many hundred others. Even more cancels expected on Thursday.

Some articles in English
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1...28496482.html#.VSU9EnynQjc.twitter
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-controllers-walking-strike.html
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:28 pm

@Mozart.
My morning post was from the lounge at CDGT2F but it was after seeing the whole board in the terminal andI can assure you that at 5h45, they were cancelling only 5 flights!
i am now a Vienna airport and my flight to,Paris will e delayed by 30mn
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:42 pm

According to AF internal follow cancel numbers so far for Weds. (not include Hop!)

Total cancel: 243
CDG: 53
ORY: 60
TLS: 23
NCE: 18
MRS: 15
BOD: 12
MPL: 8
LYS: 5
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:47 pm

Looking at Flightradar24.com the air space is reduced,yes, but seems to be working well.
I guess some airlines with larger planes to spare may be able to sub a route and cancel a few flights to get them all in one.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:58 pm

Wonder if it will have a knock-on effect into Friday. Will be flying Switzerland-France and France-Netherlands on the 10th...
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:12 pm

What are they striking about? Wage increase?
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:24 am

DL operates all 9 flights tonight while other NA carriers canceled 40-50% flights (AA/US canceled 3 out of 7, UA canceled 2 out of 5, and AC canceled 1 out of 2 flights). DL must have coordinated with AF to minimize impact. Awesome.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:00 am

Strike is primarily about new retirement age (59 vs. 57), new EU imposed licensing and regulations requirements along with complaint of cronic staff shortage with government failing to maintain agreed levels.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:55 am

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 25):
DL operates all 9 flights tonight while other NA carriers canceled 40-50% flights (AA/US canceled 3 out of 7, UA canceled 2 out of 5, and AC canceled 1 out of 2 flights). DL must have coordinated with AF to minimize impact. Awesome.

Same is true for other SkyTeam hub-hub routes, possibly to give pax an alternative connection.

There are ZERO cancellations on CDG-AMS-CDG on both strike days.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:06 pm

AF cancellation numbers on Thursday as of 4pm France time.

CDG - 70
ORY - 63
TLS - 26
NCE - 20
MRS - 20
BOD - 13
MPL - 10
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:21 pm

More strikes confirmed.
Unions have announced additional strike days Thursday 14 April to Saturday 16 April.

Per government they forecast worst affected areas will be Zone A: Caen, Clermont-Ferrand, Grenoble, Lyon, Montpellier, Nancy-Metz, Nantes, Rennes and Toulouse and Zone C areas Bordeaux, Créteil, Paris and Versailles.
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 29):
More strikes confirmed.
Unions have announced additional strike days Thursday 14 April to Saturday 16 April.

It seems as if that one just got withdrawn:
http://www.sncta.fr/levee-du-preavis-de-greve-du-16-au-18-avril/

However, SNCTA keeps the pressure on the governement, by not lifting the other notice (april 29th-may 2nd) until the agreement reached today gets firmed. What agreement, I'm not sure of yet.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 24):
What are they striking about? Wage increase?

Roughly said, yes. There are huge productivity measures being taken, and the SNCTA feels like ATCo's should be gratified for those. That, and conditions of retirement (not necessarily just age; there's been at least a dozen of cases of controllers wanting to continue past the age of 57, before it was raised to 59). And finally, to have better equipement -we work with 1980's style stripping and flight plan dispatching.
 
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RE: French ATC Union Announce 9 Strike Days

Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:14 pm

We always hear that air traffic controllers work a lot more than they are supposed to, because ATC is always cronically understaffed and they are forced to work overtime. They have a lot of responsibility and I think it is fair that they complain. They are humans too and need to have a life as well.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Bring back the 45 hr workweek please, I wouldn't mind.

You can always move to India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, China etc and work 70 hours a week in a sweat shop or factory, no-one is forcing you to live in Europe.

There is a huge difference between having an office job and working shifts and rosters with morning, evening and night duty changing within the same week. As a flight attendant working for a LCC I can work up to 60 hours in 5 days, but that is quite unrealistic as we always have delays, but I have 45-50+ hours in 5 days several times during the year and the body sure feels it.

As a hospital nurse I often had 50-70 hours a week working night shifts in the ER ward, literally saving quite a few lives and as a security guard in 2000 we all worked 60 hours a week without any overtime compensation because the Security Company threatened to fire us if we didn't help out - they had a huge turnover and were chronically understaffed to maximise profits - then we all quit at the same time and the Company went bust because they couldn't get new employees because nobody wanted to work there after hearing about the work conditions.
My point is that many employees work a lot and work hard all over Europe, and many are fed up of working their asses off for little in return while a few investors become rich as thieves. Workers are pissed off in Asia too but they do not have the same rights as workers in Europe and do not dare to take action - yet. There are numerous documentaries on TV these days about poor working conditions and workers being screwed on all continents. They all conclude that unions will be more important than ever in the future.
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