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Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:43 pm

AirAsia X Berhad has applied with the US DOT for a foreign air carrier permit along with route authority designation.

Air Asia X says it seeks to commence services between Kuala Lumpur Malaysia and points in the United States in late 2015.

Initial proposed route is to Honolulu Hawaii, via Osaka Japan effective November 1st 2015 - 4x weekly using 2-class 377 seat A330-300 equipment.

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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:50 pm

I wonder if LAX is on the horizon?
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:52 pm

The same news announcement says Air Asia X is looking to serve an exclusive European destination, along with Hawaii, by December.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:52 pm

What are their chances to be more successful on these routes compared to previous ones from which they backed away?
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:53 pm

They visited Oakland mamy years ago and stated in a press conference that they would begin service to the USA within a year, never materialized, so hopefully this works out
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 2):

Monte Carlo perhaps through Nice.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:58 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
I wonder if LAX is on the horizon?

Would be nice, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to SFO.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:08 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 3):
What are their chances to be more successful on these routes compared to previous ones from which they backed away?

This isn't really about Malaysia to USA traffic. This is about Osaka to Honolulu. That is a huge market. Air Asia X has some very low operating costs. Japan to Hawaii might be the largest low cost long haul market in the world, so with their low cost structure, I think they have a chance.

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
I wonder if LAX is on the horizon?

Would be nice, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to SFO.

I seriously doubt they are considering California. I think they are going after Japanese tourists to Hawaii. The market to the rest of the United States is much less attractive to them.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:10 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
I seriously doubt they are considering California.

Maybe not right now but eventually, yes.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:53 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
This isn't really about Malaysia to USA traffic. This is about Osaka to Honolulu. That is a huge market. Air Asia X has some very low operating costs. Japan to Hawaii might be the largest low cost long haul market in the world, so with their low cost structure, I think they have a chance.

  

AAX already operates KIX from both KUL and DMK, so this is really more about selling a new segment from Japan for Japanese clients.

With relaunch of Air Asia Japan coming along in partnership with local e-commerce giant Rakuten and large travel agency, Japan could be a good spring board for US services for AAX.

Will be interesting how AAX shakes up the market. If they enter in with crazy $99 fares each way could cause some turbulence I would think for existing players especially HA which could be left the odd man out when it comes to Japan point of sale traction.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:05 pm

Another fight will start if they get permission from the DOT (espescially DL will be upset  ).

[Edited 2015-04-06 11:05:25]
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:06 pm

Guam maybe? The mainland is too far.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:14 pm

NH/JL should just send their 500+ seat domestic 777s overnight to Hawaii and call it a day.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):

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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:45 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 10):
Another fight will start if they get permission from the DOT (espescially DL will be upset &nbsp Wink.

Why would another fight start? And why would Delta be upset specifically? Yes, they fly KIX-HNL, but so do HA and JL.
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Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:30 pm

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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:36 pm

This should be quite a boost for KIX if AirAsia would route US services through there.
KIX has lost several US services in recent years.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:42 pm

if KIX to Hawaii is a 4 way fight, I'd see Air Asia X losing over Hawaiian. Hopefully all four can survive and we can see more Air Asia X to the U.S.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:45 pm

There was talk on a previous thread about this. Basically everyone agreed the US wouldn't work for an airline using a business model like Air Asia X.

AirAsia X Flying HNL-KUL? (by haynflyer Feb 24 2015 in Civil Aviation)

I don't mean to be skeptical but I don't see this working out - heavy aircraft utilisation for too little money.

Let's see what happens with their plans...
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:51 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 18):
There was talk on a previous thread about this. Basically everyone agreed the US wouldn't work for an airline using a business model like Air Asia X

Yes but this is not really a KUL-HNL service. Its two separate routes 1) existing KUL-KIX, 2) new KIX-HNL.

Hawaii is a huge market from Japan, so I don't think it should be too hard for them particularly with Air Asia Japan restarting with its Japan based e-commerce and tour operator links.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Yes but this is not really a KUL-HNL service. Its two separate routes 1) existing KUL-KIX, 2) new KIX-HNL.

Hawaii is a huge market from Japan, so I don't think it should be too hard for them particularly with Air Asia Japan restarting with its Japan based e-commerce and tour operator links.

True, if the route were to work at all this is probably its best bet.

I retain my skepticism, however.

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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:21 pm

Why would Air Asia X want to fly to Hawaii when its so far from Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia ? Stick to 7 hours flights to Australia, regional Asia and Dubai.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:35 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
Why would Air Asia X want to fly to Hawaii when its so far from Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia ?

I had the same reaction at first, but see below, this is a valid point.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Yes but this is not really a KUL-HNL service. Its two separate routes 1) existing KUL-KIX, 2) new KIX-HNL.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
Why would Air Asia X want to fly to Hawaii when its so far from Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia ? Stick to 7 hours flights to Australia, regional Asia and Dubai.
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 22):
I had the same reaction at first, but see below, this is a valid point.

Additionally, look at the amount of time the LCC's in Japan, (Peach, Vanilla, Jetstar and the yet to start Air Asia Japan), take to have things approved by MLIT. This is an easy way for Air Asia X to establish a long haul presence in Japan, on a route which they would no doubt have looked to serve anyway, without going through that bureaucracy. Could also give them a head start when marketing Air Asia Japan to pax even though Air Asia Japan is going to be based out of NGO.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:42 pm

Enjoyed their service from Bali to Bangkok.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:02 am

D7 simply have too many A333's hence the reason a few are currently leased out with another due to go to Jet2 shortly for the UK summer.

Also expansion of the Indonesia off-shoot (Indonesia Air Asia Extra) has been slower than predicted so they have a surplus of A333's sitting idle around KL with poor utilisation for a LCC.

Also they have new build ones sitting at TLS with major components covered over that their not in any rush to take delivery of either.

So my take on this is they've got an over capacity supply and they need to find work for their fleet. The 2 x A343's and 1 x A332 that were leased have also left the fleet.

[Edited 2015-04-06 19:19:25]
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 25):
D7 simply have too many A333's hence the reason a few are currently leased out with another due to go to Jet2 shortly for the UK summer.

I'm quite sure LS cancelled the A330 for the summer.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:52 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
If they enter in with crazy $99 fares each way could cause some turbulence I would think for existing players especially HA which could be left the odd man out when it comes to Japan point of sale traction.

$99 HNL-KIX? That's worse than YV flying HNL-OGG for $39!   
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:02 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 11):

Thats not really "America" its 7,000 miles away LOL.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:16 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 28):
Thats not really "America" its 7,000 miles away

Guam is USA territory.

Please don't start a UK is not Europe debate again please - this time with Guam.

Just because it is 7,000 miles away doesn't take away an islands nationality.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:29 am

Well I don't asians would pleased if they booked a flight to America and ended up in Guam.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:40 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 30):

I think you should give people more credit than that. I'm pretty sure they do at least a little research before they pay to go somewhere.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 30):

Well I don't asians would pleased if they booked a flight to America and ended up in Guam.

You don't book a flight to America you book a flight to Guam.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 31):
I think you should give people more credit than that. I'm pretty sure they do at least a little research before they pay to go somewhere.

Ironic how Frostyj mocks their ignorance while portraying his.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:08 pm

Just what we need another shoddy operator with sub par service serving the US. Were these folks banned from the European skies for safety reasons awhile back or do I have them confused with someone else?

[Edited 2015-04-07 05:09:16]
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:14 pm

Does Honolulu can serve as a transit airport to Vancouver and to many US West coast airports?
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 33):
Just what we need another shoddy operator with sub par service serving the US.

Lol, I forgot that the US3 were some of the best airlines for service and product these days   

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 33):
Were these folks banned from the European skies for safety reasons awhile back or do I have them confused with someone else?

No, you probably got confused with Garuda Indonesia. But heck, what difference would that make? They're all from the same area so they must be the same then?  
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:36 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 35):
No, you probably got confused with Garuda Indonesia. But heck, what difference would that make? They're all from the same area so they must be the same then?

You know nothing about me or my background so don't make a fool of yourself on a public forum. I was just asking the questions and as it turns out, yes, they were banned but it has been lifted.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:54 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 36):
You know nothing about me or my background so don't make a fool of yourself on a public forum. I was just asking the questions and as it turns out, yes, they were banned but it has been lifted.

My apologies, I'm glad that's not what you meant. But your first sentence in your original post didn't particularly set a good tone, hence my sarcastic reply.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:02 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 14):

It is a stepping stone to expand their operations to the west coast. Then DL will be real P***** .
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:19 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
Why would Air Asia X want to fly to Hawaii when its so far from Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia ? Stick to 7 hours flights to Australia, regional Asia and Dubai.

The previous CEO claimed that D7's "sweet spot" was for flights of no more than 8 hours.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 31):

I know but they could say that Guam was 'America' in their booking system.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):

Monte Carlo perhaps through Nice.

I heard it was to San Marino via Rimini  

But I don't see the traffic being generated from KUL to HNL...and if they try to go after the Japan crowd in KIX, NH and JL will destroy them.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 36):
You know nothing about me or my background so don't make a fool of yourself on a public forum. I was just asking the questions and as it turns out, yes, they were banned but it has been lifted.

That's news to me.
 
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:07 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 41):
.and if they try to go after the Japan crowd in KIX, NH and JL will destroy them.

I think you missed the point that relaunched Air Asia Japan is owned by Japans largest e-commerce retailer and one of its largest travel retailers.

This gives Air Asia X a very strong on the ground sales organization that happily would work to keep customers inhouse.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
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Quoting yenne09 (Reply 34):
Does Honolulu can serve as a transit airport to Vancouver and to many US West coast airports?

Japan-Hawaii is a firehose of a market. D7 is going after the local market; connections are going to be minimal and happenstance, especially on the US side.

Quoting spinkid (Reply 17):

if KIX to Hawaii is a 4 way fight, I'd see Air Asia X losing over Hawaiian.

Why? I would assume HA has the higher unit costs of the two by a long shot. Neither really has a point of sale advantage either. HA may be able to eke out a higher fare but D7 has the advantage on the cost side--I'm not sure who I'd "bet" on in this case...

Quoting TC957 (Reply 16):
This should be quite a boost for KIX if AirAsia would route US services through there.

I don't see mainland US flying in D7's future. At least not successfully--you really need a revenue premium to make that work, in addition to low costs.
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:54 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 10):
Another fight will start if they get permission from the DOT (espescially DL will be upset ).

Well, I guess for the DOT will be hard to deny them since MH stopped all flights to the U.S. and D7 will then be the only malaysian carrier serving the States.
Don´t think MH has any plans to return to the U.S. anytime soon so not really anything in their way ...
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RE: Air Asia X Applies For US Service

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:03 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 36):
You know nothing about me or my background so don't make a fool of yourself on a public forum. I was just asking the questions and as it turns out, yes, they were banned but it has been lifted.

Actually your background is irrelevant. What you said deserved to be called out for what it was so you have no right to get antsy about it.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 44):
Japan-Hawaii is a firehose of a market. D7 is going after the local market; connections are going to be minimal and happenstance, especially on the US side.

More specifically they're going after the Japan market. As I said above, with Air Asia Japan planned to get started late this year Japan - Hawaii is an ideal market for the Air Asia X entities to get into. If anything we can probably expect more of these sorts of routes from Air Asia Group as they seek, as other posters have said, to utilise their under-used A330's.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 44):
I don't see mainland US flying in D7's future. At least not successfully--you really need a revenue premium to make that work, in addition to low costs.

Agreed however I'm not so sure that a Japanese based Air Asia X entity won't have a go at it in future.

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