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Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:06 pm

I've been reading that a number of ex Skymark A333's have been ferried to MZJ for storage, I also believe a couple remain in storage in Japan and a new example is stored at TLS.

These were leased from Intrepid Aviation Partners.

Also SQ have recently withdrawn 9V-STH from service and last I heard it was painted all white stored at SIN. I heard a whisper this frame was potentially heading to AC but that doesn't appear to be happening. This was withdrawn from service at the end of its 5 year lease, although it's weird that SQ is withdrawing A333's when they have just taken delivery of -SSF a brand new identical A330.

Does anyone have any ideas where these relatively new and very capable A333's might end up? The Skymark ones are interesting as they are in a low density premium config.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:43 pm

Quoting QF744ER (Thread starter):
I've been reading that a number of ex Skymark A333's have been ferried to MZJ for storage, I also believe a couple remain in storage in Japan and a new example is stored at TLS.

I've been working these aircraft to MZJ, and I know at least a couple more are headed to MZJ in the coming days. Unsure of where they're headed to after their stay in MZJ, though.  

Was pretty shocked when I saw how young these 330s are.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:45 pm

Quoting QF744ER (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any ideas where these relatively new and very capable A333's might end up? The Skymark ones are interesting as they are in a low density premium config.

I could see the SQ birds picked up quickly , only being 6 years old, and with a "normal" J/Y cabin. The BC ones with all 7 across would probably need a total cabin refurb which could make it more difficult to place. Similarly PR has a few 9 across Y A333s they are giving up leases on.

I had asked on another thread, With the less common Y seating, 7 or 9, is the wiring all in place for overhead seat lights etc for 8 across or is that a big deal to change besides the actual ceiling panels/lights.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:53 pm

Followed one of the Skymark 333s across the Pacific last week. They had radio equipment problems and were asking everyone for help to relay position reports. Was a pain for all involved!
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:10 pm

Hasn't BC taken the interiors out before ferrying them out of HND ?
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:16 pm

I think both airlines have RR powered planes, otherwise I think IB could have grab some of them because they want to get some faster.

I didn´t know SQ has 31 A333, I was really surprise.

What about EY?? maybe they can grab some of them to replace old ones or add new capacity, even TK could do some business to replace the remaining A340 fast.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:52 pm

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 3):
Was a pain for all involved!

Pain as more workload for other crews or pain that such new plane was headed to a storage?     

Is usage of CPDLC widespread over the Pacific (in effort to reduce the workload)? How would such help be coordinated? Who decides that is 'speaking' on behalf of the other crew (do you guys monitor 123.450?)? I am keen to learn proper airman-ship (being arm-chair captain, any insight is greatly appreciated) ).

I would imagine that a failed radio over any ocean would result in getting off the track and landing at nearest suitable airport (given the size of the Pacific, even that would probably mean flying over the ocean for couple of hours).
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:10 pm

I wonder if the SQ aircraft might be of interest to Azul until A330-200s of their existing order are delivered. Leasing an A330-300 for a few years might be a good way to add Brazil - US capacity.
Maybe China Airlines?

Also, I believe Avianca has a couple of similarly aged A330-200s coming onto the market soon. No idea if they've been placed yet or not.

Quoting QF744ER (Thread starter):
Also SQ have recently withdrawn 9V-STH from service and last I heard it was painted all white stored at SIN

Its 9V-STJ, isn't it?

Quoting trex8 (Reply 2):
The BC ones with all 7 across would probably need a total cabin refurb which could make it more difficult to place.

The cabins would probably have to have a refit anyway, even if Skymark's birds weren't in such an uncommon configuration. Seats are Buyer Furnished Equipment so will usually be replaced with ones used by the new airline's existing A330s.
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:25 pm

Perhaps Rwandair might be interested. Cheaper than a new build and will have them sooner to launch international services
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):
Maybe China Airlines?

They're with the dark side and GE. Then again they did lease those Trent powered VS birds for a year or two. They leased a 744 from SQ years ago after losing that one at Kai Tak.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:45 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 5):
I didn´t know SQ has 31 A333, I was really surprise.

And they have additional A330's on order.
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:56 am

Quoting andrej (Reply 6):
Is usage of CPDLC widespread over the Pacific (in effort to reduce the workload)? How would such help be coordinated? Who decides that is 'speaking' on behalf of the other crew (do you guys monitor 123.450?)? I am keen to learn proper airman-ship (being arm-chair captain, any insight is greatly appreciated) ).

I would imagine that a failed radio over any ocean would result in getting off the track and landing at nearest suitable airport (given the size of the Pacific, even that would probably mean flying over the ocean for couple of hours).

I assume they did not have CPDLC as they were making voice position reports at every waypoint, but they were not able to transmit over HF for some reason (Although they could receive) and thus they were asking for help to relay their position via other aircraft (Mainly a Delta flight) every waypoint.

Asking other aircraft to relay is not uncommon at the edge of VHF control areas in much of Asia and other Oceanic areas but it is unusual to have to do it when HF is being used. It isn't a reason to divert your flight but you would not depart knowing you had such equipment failures....at least in a proper airline. For ferry flights by contract crew, who knows what blind eyes are turned.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:01 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 5):
I didn´t know SQ has 31 A333, I was really surprise.

And they have additional A330's on order.


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK

& not to mention A350's on order... I understand SQ turn over their fleet at such a young age, but surely retiring a 6 year old A330 is over kill. Only can assume the lease on newly delivered birds is far cheaper?!?

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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:02 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 7):

It's 9V-STJ, isn't it?

Yes, I noted 9V-STJ all white at SIN three days ago.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:25 am

Quoting QF744ER (Thread starter):
Also SQ have recently withdrawn 9V-STH from service and last I heard it was painted all white stored at SIN. I heard a whisper this frame was potentially heading to AC but that doesn't appear to be happening

Why would Air Canada want a A330 at this point in their fleet program ? While they fly a limited number of A330 to Europe left over from the pre 777 days it would seem that AC wants their A330 to take a one way trip to Tucson.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:43 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
& not to mention A350's on order... I understand SQ turn over their fleet at such a young age, but surely retiring a 6 year old A330 is over kill. Only can assume the lease on newly delivered birds is far cheaper?!?

On another thread this was discussed. apparently the renewal lease rate is 50% higher than what they originally signed for. The A333s were always interim lift for a short period hence the short lease terms.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:35 pm

AIr Transat is very keen to switch to an all A330 fleet and retire there last A310's...

Airlines like TS only ever seem to purchase/lease second hand aircraft, so they could be a likely candidate. They do however seem to have a preference to the A330-200 as opposed to the A330-300.

But with the A330 market having few frames available. They may well be interested.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:45 pm

I wonder whether DL might be interested in these aircraft and perhaps are quietly investigating the possibilities?
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:42 pm

If I remember correctly SA was looking for A330'S. Perhaps the SQ would be worth looking at for their services between JNB and Europe. Could TP use 1 or 2 more A330'S to expand their services between LIS and South America or Central America? Just wishing TP would return to BOS with A330. Not likely but one can wish.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:13 pm

As mentioned above both 9V-STH and 9V-STJ have been removed from service. It also looks like 9V-STF has been removed as it hasn't flown in over a week.

The latest delivery was 9V-SSF which was delivered on the 31st of march and entered service on the 3rd of April as SQ616 to KIX

Currently there are 28 333 in the fleet with 3 more to come, the leased A333 consisted of an order of 34.

The A333 were originally brought in as a stop gap measure for the 787 and A350. Since then TZ has taken on SQ original order of 20 787-9 (now 10 787-8 and 10 787-9)

SQ has 70 A350 on order. First one to be delivered early next year, line no 26. They have the option of changing A359 to A35J

SQ also has 30 787-10 on order

Currently in their fleet they have

333 28 plus 3 come
772 regional 12
77E 13
773A 7
77W 25 plus 2 more to come
A388 19 plus 5 on order
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:44 am

I was hoping that TK would be taking over these birds! They are in the market for longhaul aircraft.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:35 pm

VS should also look at getting some of these birds. Now that the A343's are gone.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:58 am

9V-STH was in BNE today so it's not yet withdrawn!
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:24 am

Maybe NZ could pick them up an short-term 767-300 replacement on the shorthaul reroutes, they recently announced that the 767s aren't getting replaced by the current 787 deliveries and that they are here to stay.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:38 am

how about Lufthansa for Eurowings  
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:03 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 22):
9V-STH was in BNE today so it's not yet withdrawn!

9V-STJ was wfu.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 24):
how about Lufthansa for Eurowings  

EW is going to get A330-200s. Not -300s.  


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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:37 pm

Strangely enough I was at MZJ yesterday and could not believe how nice the skymark birds looked especially compared to those who have been there so long.
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:04 pm

All these 'nearly new' A330s on the market cant be helping the 'new build' A330 sales prospects
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:40 pm

Given lease on a new A333 just under a million a month and presumably a 5-6 yr old one may be what 100000 or 200 less. Is it more economical for an airline with a 12 year old frame to pay for a heavy check and returned cabin and run it 6 more years till a neo is available vs leasing at 8-10 + million a year for that period?
 
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RE: Ex Skymark And SQ A330's

Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting LTH (Reply 26):
Quoting LTH (Reply 26):

Quoting thai77w (Reply 22):
9V-STH was in BNE today so it's not yet withdrawn!

9V-STJ was wfu.


I know, however another poster mentioned both STH AND STJ were withdrawn.
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