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Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:20 pm

According to a Spanish newspaper, for safety reasons and due to previous incidents, Ryanair is apparently banning alcohol on flights from Glasgow Prestwick to Ibiza

http://www.elmundo.es/baleares/2015/...4/07/5523c58c22601d59708b4578.html

This is the original link (in English):

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...ans-booze-notorious-flight-5462177

Would this be for real or made up by the British tabloid? How does the airline implement such a measure in a particular flight? What happens if you are caught with booze?
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:35 pm

Then I assume they will not sell any alcohol from their trolleys either? Replace the drawers containing alcohol with soda and water.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:55 pm

This seems to be more about the problem of bringing alcohol on to the flight.

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:57 pm

Where is GKirk to respond?  
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:14 am

Probably a prudent move on their part.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:46 am

Ban alcohol on ALL flights.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:56 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter):
Would this be for real or made up by the British tabloid? How does the airline implement such a measure in a particular flight? What happens if you are caught with booze?

If you have duty free alcohol, they will gate check it for you. The problem is people drinking from the large duty free bottles. The small bottles served on board aren't as big of a problem.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:44 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Ban alcohol on ALL flights.

Wind your neck in, just because a tiny minority cannae handle their juice, it doesn't mean others have to suffer.

The Weegies are known for their drinking culture, EK's GLA-DXB route serves more onboard alcohol than any other route that EK operates, and that includes the 5 x daily whales into LHR!
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:22 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):

Ban alcohol on ALL flights.

Enough with the sweeping statements. It's getting very annoying.

Quoting gkirk (Reply 7):
The Weegies are known for their drinking culture, EK's GLA-DXB route serves more onboard alcohol than any other route that EK operates, and that includes the 5 x daily whales into LHR!

Wow. Where did you hear that?

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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Ban alcohol on ALL flights.

Why?
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:07 am

Quoting Cipango (Reply 8):
EK's GLA-DXB route serves more onboard alcohol than any other route that EK operates, and that includes the 5 x daily whales into LHR!

Wow. Where did you hear that?

I was (very proudly) told this by a Emirates Leisure Sales Rep in Glasgow circa 2006.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Ban alcohol on ALL flights.

No. Just ban idiots.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:16 am

To be fair they should ban alcohol on all "bucket and spade" holiday flights from the UK... Brits are notoriously awful when it comes to drinking before and during travel. The only other country where I regularly see people binge drinking at airports at 5 am is Norway...

Unfortunately in the UK and Norway binge drinking is so engrained in the culture that people cannot go on holiday without consuming copious amounts of it*... People have no "situasjonsforståelse" as people say in Norway.

*A gross generalisation but stereotypes are there for a reason.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:44 am

Probably another way Ryanair can get a fee, like 5 Euros/Pounds for holding from your booze during your flight.

This may become a more common policy on Ryanair and other airlines on selected flights due to disruptions, costly diversions, and ruining the flight of the overwhelming majority of flyers.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:05 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 9):

Because its a small enclosed space and we don't need the hassle.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:15 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 14):
Because its a small enclosed space and we don't need the hassle.

Then just fly Saudi Arabian airlines or Royal Brunei if you don't want alcohol on your flight. I am fully entitled to a drink on a flight with my meal and I don't ever remember being a "hassle" to anyone.



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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:30 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
Brits are notoriously awful when it comes to drinking before and during travel. The only other country where I regularly see people binge drinking at airports at 5 am is Norway...

That is a silly generalisation - I've seen this in every country I've been to frequently.


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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:36 am

Quoting Cipango (Reply 15):

I am not a fan of alcohol and I am entitled to my views.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:07 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 17):
I am not a fan of alcohol and I am entitled to my views.

You are even if the statements are a bit unfair.

I personally like to relax in the airport with a drink, and have a couple whilst in the air (particularly on longer sectors), Nobody else has to suffer me misbehaving because I, like the majority, enjoy a drink and conduct myself in an adult manner, like the adult that I am.

I hate this culture of banning things that people enjoy because of the actions of a few, it's not on. Deal with the root of the problem (which Ryanair in this case are doing), you have never been allowed to consume alcohol that you bring onboard yourself on any airline, which all this move by Ryanair does is make sure that definitely cannot happen, as opposed to trusting people not to.

I suspect they will still sell from the onboard bars, the article does not mention stopping this, the difference however is that the crew can limit your consumption/how much you are sold. That's sensible.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:55 pm

No one should be able to bring alcohol onto a flight...

You are not allowed to open duty free before arriving into the country you are traveling to and because of the no liquids rule through security, it shouldn't be happening.

Cabin crew onboard a flight, have a responsibility not to provide further alcohol to passengers if in their opinion have had too much already... So if the cabin crew are happy to continue plying these passenger with alcohol, after they have spent the last few hours in the bar at the airport, they very much have themselves to blame.

Also if these passengers have had too much to drink before boarding and causing concern, they should not be allowed to board the flight.

While no one likes confrontation, it is the cabin crews job to enforce the rules where necessary. But they seem to like taking the softly softly approach and just keep giving the passengers what they want, to avoid upsetting anyone and cross their fingers hoping the alcohol does not cause an issue on the flight.
(This is however only my experience on previous flights to Europe!)

Unfortunately us Brits do have a reputation for drinking... I recently flew MAN-ATL with Delta and the cabin crew kept saying in a polite way how we liked our liquor on the flight, and don't usually get through the amount they did, on similar flights...

It was prompted after I asked for a Jack Daniels on the flights and they ran out of all bourbon whiskies, vodka and red wine! However I should point out there didn't appear to be any problems and was a very peaceful flights.

It doesn't apply to FR, but if there is free alcohol on a flight, boy oh boy do us Brits jump at the opportunity!
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:05 pm

The English article at least pretty clearly indicates that this only means you wont be allowed to bring duty free alcohol in your hand luggage.

It is hard to believe Ryanair would want to stop sales onboard. Any flight crew here can correct me but I imagine on a full holiday flight to Ibiza, which would take about three hours, they could easily sell 250-300 drinks. That would conservatively equal about 1300 pounds or $1900, of which at least 80% is profit (beers are 5 pounds, drinks 5.60). It is hard to see penny-pinching Ryanair forgoing that revenue.

Lastly, I can’t speak to how much Brits, Scots and Irish drink but as an American who has spent a good deal of time in Europe it always frustrates me that any poorly behaving English language speaker is assumed to be an American. I can’t tell you the number of times I heard Dutch or German people making comments about boorish Americans when the drunkard was clearly from Ireland or Scotland.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
You are not allowed to open duty free before arriving into the country you are traveling to and because of the no liquids rule through security, it shouldn't be happening.

While that's quite correct, if the alcohol was bought at PIK by a passenger travelling to Ibiza it wouldn't be duty free, as duty free sales to people travelling wholly within the EU were stopped years ago. People still call it duty free but it is actually tax free which is quite a difference, and nowhere near as cheap as true duty free.
Of course you could bring something like 70cl of spirits through security in the liquids bag as long as they were in 100ml or less containers. Theoretically you could take a litre but physically fitting the containers into the bag would be a challenge.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:19 pm

If the problem is people drinking there duty free purchases then yes this is the solution. Don't ban sales of alcohol when that isn't causing the problem. Does FR offer duty free alcohol to buy on board?
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
You are not allowed to open duty free before arriving into the country you are traveling to and because of the no liquids rule through security, it shouldn't be happening.

The "duty free" is post-security, and since the flight is intra-EU it's not actually duty free and therefore there's no one checking seals at the other end.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 22):
Does FR offer duty free alcohol to buy on board?

No airline offers duty free alcohol for sale on flights that are wholly between EU airports. FR does sell alcohol on board on a per-drink basis at prices that are notably higher than in landside bars. Of course the crew can then refuse to sell more if the passenger is becoming a problem.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:34 pm

What about tax free sales?
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:38 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 25):
What about tax free sales?

The EU is a single market, so flying between Scotland and Spain is similar to flying between Wisconsin and Florida. No duty or tax free sales, though you can generally purchase alcohol and other typical duty-free goods post-security. You just have to pay the taxes  
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 9):
Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):Ban alcohol on ALL flights.

Why?

Why not??

OK I'll bite and go first.

Stuffing 200 people in the confined space of a small city bus (737/320 series), for hours and hours, with low air humidity, cramped seating, and 8000 ft pressure altitude, crying babies, smelling neighbors, unsocialized behavior, and no police force on board. To put it mildly, that's not your ideal atmosphere to enjoy alcohol.

That, combined with the fact that you have 200 different individuals on board, who all react differently and unpredictable to alcohol (and to other people closely around them infringing in their unnatural habitat), for me that's plenty enough reasons not to serve alcohol on board.

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 27):
Stuffing 200 people in the confined space of a small city buss, for hours and hours, with low air humidity, cramped seating, and 8000 ft pressure altitude, crying babies, smelling neighbors, unsocialized behavior, and no police force on board. To put it mildly, that's not your ideal atmosphere to enjoy alcohol.

I disagree - most of your points are subjective and highly, highly variable. Turn it around (comfortable seat, quiet cabin, everybody being sociable, beautiful view from the window) and it begins to look like a pretty good place to de-stress and have a glass of your favourite beer or wine etc... Now 99.99% of people can manage this without succumbing to excess, and the answer for controlling those one in a thousand people is certainly not banning all alcohol onboard.


Regardless, I think the main point to remember here is that we're all talking about Ryanair again... Ahh the publicity.


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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:51 pm

Well done to Ryanair......and I'm not one of their fans I might add.

The consumption of passengers own alcohol is a growing problem and one that should be addressed IMO. The sale from the bars on board, generally speaking, is not a problem and "most" crew are generally responsible.

It is however very difficult for crew to call and to keep everyone happy. There are certain flights to certain destinations at certain times of the week that can be described as lively. I sometimes operate these flights and personally I don't see any issue. Yes they can be fairly loud, and there is banter between friends and groups. The problem is that there are some passengers who find this unacceptable, often they will remain quiet all flight but then suddenly become quite vocal with the crew as they disembark. In my personal opinion, there are certain flights at certain times of the week where the flight isn't going to be quiet and serene and that there is little the crew or airline can do.

But then you do get some flights, notably many of your IBZ and increasingly PMI, where you do get unruly and obnoxious behaviour and in my experience this is dealt with pretty well by the crews involved. This policy of Ryanair's will only help these crews further and should be used on certain routes/frequencies where a problem persists. I think it's very responsible.

Should we ban alcohol? No, should we hell. Most people enjoy drinks onboard responsibly. I should also add that many OAP's I see on flights can put a fair bit of drink away these days too.

I also don't see the problem with early morning drinking either. For the vast majority it merely marks the start of their holiday/break away and isn't a regular occurrence. The thought process of not drinking before 11am is also archaic and snobby at best. Each to their own, as long as they behave.....and most do.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 7):
The Weegies are known for their drinking culture, EK's GLA-DXB route serves more onboard alcohol than any other route that EK operates, and that includes the 5 x daily whales into LHR!

I've heard that it's NCL, then GLA, but your sources are probably better than mine. Either way, it's again a cultural thing - the North East has a similar reputation to Glasgow in that regard.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:01 pm

If you have not sat near someone who is way too drunk I think it is difficult to understand the issue. Not an enjoyable flight.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:04 pm

Quoting bobdino (Reply 26):

No its not. Scotland and Spain are both completely different countries.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 32):
No its not. Scotland and Spain are both completely different countries.

Scotland tried to be their own country, but the recent secession referendum was a major flop. Funny that GLA and EDI were exact opposites in the election results.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 27):

THIS and I am sure that these people can cope without alcohol for a few hours NOT. It is just part of the culture of this country, people always feel as though they NEED a drink and they use any opportunity to do so.

I have reached the grand old age of 19, tried alcohol and don't intend on drinking anymore NOT worth it.

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Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 33):

Don't even think about going there.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:13 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 28):

So wait you can't destress without alcohol? Um ok???? I'm a bit offended because you are trying to insinuate that those of us who don't drink are debbie downers and can't destress.

You don't actually need alcohol to destress, again you are a typical Brit who has a pathetic reliance on alcohol and insists that you need to have alcohol at every opportunity that arises.

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:24 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 32):
No its not. Scotland and Spain are both completely different countries.

In a single market, which was his point.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:27 pm

I know VS always make the announcement during the safety briefing that " only alcohol served by the crew maybe consumed on board "
I would have thought this to be standard policy with everyone.
Still, it's another Ryanair story in the news and that's what really matters here with them.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 32):
No its not. Scotland and Spain are both completely different countries.

The relevant part to note was 'EU Single Market'.

Quoting Planeflyer (Reply 31):
If you have not sat near someone who is way too drunk I think it is difficult to understand the issue. Not an enjoyable flight.

I have, twice. One was an airBaltic flight where a Russian chap had smuggled his own Vodka onboard and passed out whilst landing... fuss for the crew both who had to administer oxygen, but until he passed out nobody even noticed him. The other was a WizzAir flight where the crew kept serving a passenger who was clearly drunk and becoming increasingly racially abusive. Upon landing he fled to the terminal and the crew did nothing. This is the one in a thousand person who should never have been allowed to reach this state as the crew were mostly responsible.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 34):
THIS and I am sure that these people can cope without alcohol for a few hours NOT. It is just part of the culture of this country, people always feel as though they NEED a drink and they use any opportunity to do so.

Consider that the vast majority of people who drink do not 'need' to, they choose to. Vital difference.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 36):
So wait you can't destress without alcohol? Um ok???? I'm a bit offended because you are trying to insinuate that those of us who don't drink are debbie downers and can't destress.

That is a spectacularly flamboyant interpretation of what I said:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 28):
Turn it around (comfortable seat, quiet cabin, everybody being sociable, beautiful view from the window) and it begins to look like a pretty good place to de-stress and have a glass of your favourite beer or wine etc...

Note the 'and', this means the relaxing and the drinking are not interdependent.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 36):
You don't actually need alcohol to destress, again you are a typical Brit who has a pathetic reliance on alcohol and insists that you need to have alcohol at every opportunity that arises.

Just wow... wow... If I wasn't laughing so much at that utterly ridiculous statement I might even be a bit offended!


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Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:47 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 37):

Still foreign countries.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:48 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 39):

Oh but theres where you are wrong, they DO need to drink! If they didn't need to drink they wouldn't be down in the bar ever god damn weekend.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:49 pm

Quoting EC99 (Reply 20):
Any flight crew here can correct me but I imagine on a full holiday flight to Ibiza, which would take about three hours, they could easily sell 250-300 drinks. That would conservatively equal about 1300 pounds or $1900, of which at least 80% is profit (beers are 5 pounds, drinks 5.60). It is hard to see penny-pinching Ryanair forgoing that revenue.

While your figures sound correct, Ryanair's primary objective is to conduct its flights safely and if this threat to the operation is deemed too high a risk, safety must come first.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:56 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 36):
I'm a bit offended because you are trying to insinuate that those of us who don't drink are debbie downers and can't destress

If I'm honest you're not disproving this right now.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:56 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 41):
Oh but theres where you are wrong, they DO need to drink! If they didn't need to drink they wouldn't be down in the bar ever god damn weekend.

Spectacular missing of the point there...
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:16 pm

I quite agree with frosty.

Drinking leads to neglect of duty, moral degradation and crime.

I'm thinking of forming the a.net Temperance Society.

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 45):
First round's on me.

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 36):

You need to take a step back and chill. Anytime someone disagrees with you (especially when you're wrong) you fly off the handle and attack the person. Maybe take a second, and post a reply like a rational human being. You may actually get somewhere.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:28 pm

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 29):
But then you do get some flights, notably many of your IBZ and increasingly PMI, where you do get unruly and obnoxious behaviour and in my experience this is dealt with pretty well by the crews involved. This policy of Ryanair's will only help these crews further and should be used on certain routes/frequencies where a problem persists. I think it's very responsible.

Magaluf in PMI is well-known indeed for the "balconing" practiced by some of those British visitors

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...ning-over-hotel-balcony-falls.html
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 48):

Thank god I can pretend to be Irish when appropriate!
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