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Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:48 pm

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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:16 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 39):
I have, twice. One was an airBaltic flight where a Russian chap had smuggled his own Vodka onboard and passed out whilst landing... fuss for the crew both who had to administer oxygen, but until he passed out nobody even noticed him.

I had a similar experience on a charter flight from MAN to CHQ when a passenger polished off a litre bottle of vodka bought at the airport. Nobody noticed until he became unconscious and the bottle rolled down the aisle. He received priority disembarkation at CHQ with special assistance from three Greek policemen. Certainly wasn't there for the return flight....

Seriously the ban on people bringing their own alcohol on board in hand baggage, while new to aviation, is common in the UK on long distance buses and especially trains. Not all of them, just specific ones, sometimes on individual days of the week or individual dates. Originally this was to keep rowdy sports fans from turning violent when fuelled up, but now other groups have attracted official attention.There's one train from Aberdeen to London that is regularly dry, due to excessively thirsty oil rig workers going on leave after a booze-free month in the North Sea.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:31 pm

If the problem is people drinking alcohol brought on the plane, then why doesnt Ryanair simply collect the duty free alcohol purchases at the gate and stow the purchases in a designated overhead compartment for collection on arrival.

Otherwise, if the FAs are overserving people or if peoplt can't control themselves, then it's a police matter.

Part of the fun of travelling to other countries is tryng new wines or spirits and bringing them home. To bar an entire planeload of people frim simply having a drink or transporting alcohol seems wildly heavy handed.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 39):
Quoting frostyj (Reply 32):
No its not. Scotland and Spain are both completely different countries.

The relevant part to note was 'EU Single Market'.

Thanks mate.

frostyj: I was using an analogy to explain to someone from the US why, despite Scotland and Spain being different countries, there are no duty or tax free benefits on the flight. It's not obvious to someone that hasn't spent time in Europe.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 34):
I have reached the grand old age of 19
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 47):
You need to take a step back and chill. Anytime someone disagrees with you (especially when you're wrong) you fly off the handle and attack the person. Maybe take a second, and post a reply like a rational human being. You may actually get somewhere.

Perhaps you are not yet qualified to make comments on this topic. It also might be better to become (through time it will come) a bit more mature in reacting to responses to your, er, comments

I'd be very interested to know in say 10 years if you have kept your current "alcohol never again" attitude claimed at your battle-hardened age!

I also find flying at >30000ft in a smooth plane, in a comfy seat with a nice view very conducive to a nice drink or two, looking forward with that eternal hope that this time the meal tray will have something note-worthy on it. At least then I can have some wine with it as well!
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 34):
THIS and I am sure that these people can cope without alcohol for a few hours NOT. It is just part of the culture of this country, people always feel as though they NEED a drink and they use any opportunity to do so.

I have reached the grand old age of 19, tried alcohol and don't intend on drinking anymore NOT worth it.

I don't understand why you get so heated in these threads. Nobody feels the need to drink (unless they have a problem, of course), it is simply something that people have to enjoy. You don't need burgers, chips, kebabs, popcorn, sweets, fizzy drinks etc, but such things exist for people's enjoyment. I daresay you've likely indulged in at least one of the above or another 'treat' item.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 36):
So wait you can't destress without alcohol? Um ok???? I'm a bit offended because you are trying to insinuate that those of us who don't drink are debbie downers and can't destress.

You don't actually need alcohol to destress, again you are a typical Brit who has a pathetic reliance on alcohol and insists that you need to have alcohol at every opportunity that arises.

You choose not drink, that's your choice, clearly you have your own mechanisms for dealing with the stresses of day to day life and that's great... but myself and pretty much everybody I know drinks to relax and loosen up a bit! You cannot deny that we are a drinking nation, and have been for many years.

People like to drink and provided they aren't causing anybody any harm, then why shouldn't they continue to be allowed to do so?



Quoting frostyj (Reply 41):
Oh but theres where you are wrong, they DO need to drink! If they didn't need to drink they wouldn't be down in the bar ever god damn weekend.



It's something particularly workers enjoy doing, socialising with friends. You might go to a coffee shop or sit on internet forums. Each to their own.


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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting czek6 (Reply 52):
If the problem is people drinking alcohol brought on the plane, then why doesnt Ryanair simply collect the duty free alcohol purchases at the gate and stow the purchases in a designated overhead compartment for collection on arrival.

That's pretty much what they actually are doing for this flight, except that the specially designated compartment is the hold, as the bottles and the bags they are in are gate-checked.

Quoting czek6 (Reply 52):
Part of the fun of travelling to other countries is tryng new wines or spirits and bringing them home. To bar an entire planeload of people frim simply having a drink or transporting alcohol seems wildly heavy handed.

Two things - this flight has problems on the outward from PIK, before the passengers have reached any other countries to experience new wines and spirits - there is virtually no traffic originating in IBZ, just passengers making a round trip from PIK.
The new and interesting wines and spirits may exist on Ibiza (though it isn't the part of Spain that produces much in this way and many visitors there go for quantity over quality), but given that the liquid restrictions in Europe are similar to everywhere else, they would either be bought landside and packed in hold baggage, so totally unaffected by this rule, or bought in the airport after security, where the selection is likely to be much less and the prices much higher, and can still be gate-checked.
To put things in perspective, this affects ONE flight out of the many hundreds Ryanair operate each day with their fleet of over 300 aircraft. There's no suggestion they won't sell beers, wines, or spirits by the can or glass to passengers on board as long as they aren't already drunk when they order drinks.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:57 pm

So it is JUST this route that is causing all the problems? Perhaps cancel route or enforce regs.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 36):
You don't actually need alcohol to destress, again you are a typical Brit who has a pathetic reliance on alcohol and insists that you need to have alcohol at every opportunity that arises.

So then - I have a couple of drinks, not every day, not every week even. Sometimes I even get a little bit drunk (so sue me). Because of this I have "a pathetic reliance on alcohol"?

I like to have a couple of drinks on the plane as it is a bit like celebrating the start of the holiday - why is that such a bad thing?

I appreciate that you do not like or agree with alcohol but surely those that enjoy alcohol responsibly should be able to do so in peace?
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:51 pm

Some people have known great tragedy that has involved alcohol such as addiction, abuse, or accidents. While truly unfortunate it is used far too often as a reason to get up on one's high horse and critique the free choices of others as if their choice is somehow more superior. There is nothing special about not drinking. It doesn't make you a better person. St. Peter won't be putting a gold star by your name. It is just a choice.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:59 pm

Did I say I was a better person though???????
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:05 pm

This is ridiculous. All you have to do is train FAs to cut people off like bartenders do.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Ban alcohol on ALL flights.

No. That would be stupid. And likely cause more problems than it solves.

Quoting Cipango (Reply 8):
I glad Ireland didn't get the title. We don't all pour vodka into our cereal and whiskey in our coffees like the world believes

I thought Guinness went in the cereal  
Quoting frostyj (Reply 14):

Because its a small enclosed space and we don't need the hassle.

And? I don't need the hassle of a nervous flyer who hasn't had a nip to take the edge off. I certainly don't need a plane full of Ambien zombies.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 17):
I am not a fan of alcohol and I am entitled to my views.

You should look up the hell prohibition and temperance wrought upon the world.

Quoting czek6 (Reply 52):
If the problem is people drinking alcohol brought on the plane, then why doesnt Ryanair simply collect the duty free alcohol purchases at the gate and stow the purchases in a designated overhead compartment for collection on arrival.

Spain-Scotland doesn't have duty free sales.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:25 pm

There would be far fewer unruly passenger incidents on flights if alcohol was banned. Most such incidents involve alcohol. And in such an enclosed space with everyone crammed together inches apart, unruly passengers can be dangerous.

I enjoy a drink but would have no problem if alcohol was banned on flights. Anyone can go a few hours without alcohol.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:27 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 62):
Anyone can go a few hours without alcohol.

Sure. I go days without alcohol all the time. On an airplane, where you want to get to sleep much of the time, no thanks.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 61):
I thought Guinness went in the cereal  

Only on St. Patricks Day   
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:34 pm

You did actually when you wrote that "these people can cope without alcohol for a few hours." Well, who are you to judge what people can cope with or without? And why is it a question of coping as if it is some sort of weakness or moral failing to have a drink either on the plane or at a bar? Then you wrote that these people "do need to drink". So you obviously feel drinking is wrong or intolerable and by extension and your tone, those who drink as well.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:38 pm

Drinking is associated with celebrating.

If I work 9-5 or 9-6 every weekday for 29 weeks straight and I finally have 2 weeks off why am I not entitled to a drink or two to "celebrate" my time off? I do not plan on causing a nuisance to anyone on the flight. As someone said above - So sue me!
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:38 pm

Your an American though you don't realise how bad it is. People literally drink at every opporunity, thats why there are so many pointless parties.

And no I don't dispise drinking but I do really dispise people who use alcohol as an excuse to become prats and pretend like they didn't know what they were doing. Don't get me started with louts either.



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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 66):
Drinking is associated with celebrating.

Or commiserating - perhaps nearer the truth when flying FR.      
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:45 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 68):

Eh what??? I had a fantastic time flying on Ryanair last week; great legroom on the exit row with nice comfy leather chairs sitting eating a pain au chocolate while looking at countryside below.

Great flight attendants also.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 67):
Your an American though you don't realise how bad it is. People literally drink at every opporunity thats why there are so many pointless parties.

Hey now, having been to my fair share of those parties, they are far from pointless, it seems the people enjoy them. The flight after said parties, different story, sometimes quite the struggle!

If you have some spare time when you are not participating in said parties, maybe sign up to drive an Uber and profit off the alcohol ingesting masses!

Southwest Airlines over on this side of the pond mails out their drink coupons all the time, have no choice but to have a cocktail! Would be interesting to find a stat on what flights in the Southwest network redeem the most drink coupons.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 67):
Your an American though you don't realise how bad it is.

You're.

I am well aware of what it is like in the UK, and its not at all different than the US. In fact, I'd say there is a healthier view of alcohol there than here. The beer, however, isn't as good.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 67):
People literally drink at every opporunity, thats why there are so many pointless parties.

What is pointless about a party?

Also, every opportunity?
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 67):
thats why there are so many pointless parties.

I bet you're fun at parties...   
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:10 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 71):
What is pointless about a party?

I thought your religion prohibited parties :-P
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:20 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 67):
Your an American though you don't realise how bad it is. People literally drink at every opporunity, thats why there are so many pointless parties.

I know it may shock you, but there are a lot of Americans on this forum (myself included) who have lived in various parts of the UK. Having lived in both the UK (and not a wealthy part) and US in my early 20s, I have a fairly good handle on the youth drinking cultures in both places. My view is that people drink similarly excessive amounts in both places, but it's often worse in the US because people hide it due to the laws. Most people grow out of it in both places. It appears that you're annoyed at other people partying. If you don't like it, don't go, but please don't act as if nobody else on here understands the subject matter.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:20 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 69):
eating a pain au chocolate

   Must have been lovely with a couple of beers.....oh, wait a minute...  
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 34):
I have reached the grand old age of 19

When I was 19, I knew my father was ignorant. I was amazed how much he'd learned by the time I turned 30.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:42 pm

I think we can all agree that wherever it is alcohol addiction is not a pretty thing. I've seen it first hand and have a lot of sympathy for those involved.

But on aircraft there must be some rules. We don't have to go overboard but just establish some lines and don't let them be crossed. I've been on a flight where either the FO or Captain had to get involved with a mean drunk.
Given the recent incident on GermanWings we can all agree we don't want the flying crew members bogged down with an unruly passenger. This incident makes clear that one bad apple can do a lot of harm.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:53 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 71):

Yes BO we have parties constantly like maybe twice a month for simple simple things just so people can drink.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:54 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 73):

Let me guess hes a Jehova.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:58 pm

I really hope I wasn't this pent up and annoying when I was 19.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 79):
Let me guess hes a Jehova.

Judge for yourself. We have pictures of Gkirk and N1120A at a social gathering:

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Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:38 pm

I am surprised that it is so commonly accepted here that drinking copius amounts of alcohol on a plane is sort of a human right. As far as I am aware of, you are not allowed to drink on other means of public transport like trains or busses, and in most workplaces or public buildungs it is not allowed to down drinks to get more relaxed. (Almost) Nobody takes issue with that. I would not be surprised if at some point alcohol will no longer be served on planes, just like smoking has gone. In an emergency, drunken folks stumbling in the aisles or passing out in their seats is a risk to others, as is unruly behaviour that is much more likely to occur if alcohol is involved. There are also legal issues involved for the airline as arguably airlines can be held liable for unruly pax behaviour towards other passengers if the airline has contributed to the situation.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:17 pm

Ok, some of these "ban alcohol" comments are just dumb.

I have been a flight attendant for 29 years and I have NEVER had an alcohol related incident on any of my flights. Not one. I admit, I have never worked a charter flight because I have no desire for those types of trips.

But many people enjoy a few glasses of wine with dinner. Nothing wrong with that.

The simple solution would be to ban these assholes who can't handle their liquer. But don't deny something that a lot of people enjoy because 1% of passengers have acted up.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:57 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 51):
There's one train from Aberdeen to London that is regularly dry, due to excessively thirsty oil rig workers going on leave after a booze-free month in the North Sea.

Ah yes, those amazing people who manage to smoke a whole cigarette during a 90-second stop at Leuchars or Inverkeithing. Normally both. Two drags, and the fag is gone. Always found that impressive.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 61):
I thought Guinness went in the cereal

Guinness IS the cereal, I thought.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 62):
I enjoy a drink but would have no problem if alcohol was banned on flights. Anyone can go a few hours without alcohol.


Sure can, but for a lot of people a flight means going somewhere nice (in which case I like to clink glasses) or maybe coming back from a business trip (in which case it's the same as a drink in the pub after a long day). I'm not advocating drinking to excess, but I don't really see a problem with alcohol on flights.

Furthermore, then you would have to ban alcohol at airports, as the occupancy of airport bars suggests people gas up before the flight just as much (sometimes more) than during it -- given that while dear, it's often still cheaper than on the plane. Particularly when travelling in groups. To an international footie match. Better, rugby.

I totally see the point that bottles bought at the Duty-Free shouldn't be drunk on board, but banning the serving of it? Frankly, by the time I'd think about having a second one, the FA is far away and within Europe, not to be got hold of again before the descent.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 67):
Your an American though you don't realise how bad it is. People literally drink at every opporunity, thats why there are so many pointless parties.

That's simply not true.

And parties aren't pointless. They have the point of people getting together and having a good time and enjoy themselves. With or without alcohol.
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:35 am

One other problem with excessive drinking during a flight is if there is an emergency, especially late in the flight or upon landing (like with the AC fight bad lading at Halifax recently) where having a clear head not fogged with too much alcohol may be the difference of life and death.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:37 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
While no one likes confrontation, it is the cabin crews job to enforce the rules where necessary. But they seem to like taking the softly softly approach and just keep giving the passengers what they want, to avoid upsetting anyone and cross their fingers hoping the alcohol does not cause an issue on the flight.

Sadly, it's a no win proposition for the flight attendants. Cut someone off and they almost always get belligerent. Let them keep drinking and pray that they fall asleep soon.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 61):
All you have to do is train FAs to cut people off like bartenders do.

I have never seen that work out well on an airplane. Even the most polite flight attendants often get verbally abused when they have to stop serving someone. That's why they usually just take a while to serve the drink or water them down instead of cutting them off.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 62):
There would be far fewer unruly passenger incidents on flights if alcohol was banned. Most such incidents involve alcohol. And in such an enclosed space with everyone crammed together inches apart, unruly passengers can be dangerous.

In my experience, I agree but it will never happen. I'm not anti-alcohol, but my experience has brought me to a similar conclusion.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:46 am

Quoting BubbleFrog (Reply 86):

I doubt they are amazing, more revolting. If you smokers knew how disgusting you smell.... Being honest
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:50 am

Some threads look pretty dull when you read the heading but comments can make them oh so interesting.
Id love to be a teenager and absolute sure of everything again, lovely days.

What I don't understand is why we are having this discussion, Ryanair have realised that many passengers who travel between Prestwick and Ibiza buys hard liqueur in the airports dutyfree shop, at non duty free prices, and have banned individuals from bringing such bottles on board.
This is Ryanair, they must have seen sales volumes decline, and being a business they have now rectified that. 3 hours flight and I'm sure they sell at least 250 cans of beer. Great business.
And lets be honest, there are very very few incidents on flights so its not like we have a serious issue.
Did anyone think Ryanair cares about the level of drunkenness on their flights? Its all about profit and I don't blame them one bit. they are a business and one leg of that business is sales of alcohol.

When I was 19, I spent a summer working in Magaluf for a rather famous touroperator (read picking up coachloads of tourists at the airport twice a day).
The locals at the airport had nicknames for the various planes. The Sthlm one was the vodka train, the Bristol plane the rubbermen express due to most struggling with keeping straight legs when they walked off the plane etc etc.
Its holidays. People go to the Mediterranean to enjoy themselves, in Europe, Northern Europe, that tend to mean that every plane has a group of people who start the day in the bar. They are happy they are off on holidays. They drink, get a bit loud and silly. Thats about it. While a nuisance to sober people they don't cause any harm or danger.
They may be old, they may be middle aged and they may be teenagers. Doesn't matter, they see holidays as a great way to relax, unwind and enjoy themselves. They are not a problem, they may get a bit drunk and silly, but anyone who work in the industry handles them with a smile. Simplifies things.
The we have run out of vodka but I'm happy to serve you a beer, solves a lot of issues when you reckon someone may drink a bit fast sorts most issues.

The problem travelers were two distinct groups;
1. Hardcore alcoholics, the ones who drink 24/7, and hardly leave their hotel rooms. usually recognised by the amount of dutyfree (not dutyfree but bought there) bottles they bring with them to the hotel.
2. Those who have existing issues, be they medical, be they psychotic, be they panicking about flying. They are totally unpredictable and can do anything, absolutely anything incl jumping out of balconies in fear of attacking giant man-eating cockroaches or believing that the hotel staff are aliens who are there to conduct medical experiments on them to combining medicine with alcohol and going complete berserk.
Non of those two groups would be stopped by a dry plane.

Having been a very very regular on Royal Brunei I can safely say that they bottles being shared on those flights usually leads to passenger being more drunk and more obnoxious than the two beers served on most regular airlines.

Hmm, mine is a Gin & Tonic, with lime not lemon...
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:30 am

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:52 am

the vast majority of alcohol related offloads/arrests I have seen in a decade of airport handling (several hundreds) have been due to duty free/self serve related issues (drinking in flight, drinking in gate, drinking in Gold lounge). I love a drink, but I do believe that departure duty free should be restricted to electronics/perfume/jewellery etc. Personally I would like countries to introduce a worldwide agreement that tobacco and alcohol sales at the border should not be duty free and only available at destination not origin.. Inflight serving of alcohol as per licensed premises should then be sufficient if you are not an alcoholic. Crew should be able to correctly gauge when a passenger has had enough.
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:52 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 84):
I am surprised that it is so commonly accepted here that drinking copius amounts of alcohol on a plane is sort of a human right. As far as I am aware of, you are not allowed to drink on other means of public transport like trains or busses, and in most workplaces or public buildungs it is not allowed to down drinks to get more relaxed. (Almost) Nobody takes issue with that.

Is that a fair comparison though?
A working place, a library or the City Hall are NOT places to celebrate and / or relax.
An aircraft is a way of transport, often for many many hours on end; to bring you:

-To your holiday destination
-Back home from holiday
-Back home from work
-To work

I think that in many of the above occasions a "celebration" or relaxation is warranted.
Even if I fly to work and have a stop in a hotel on the way I indulge a little on board the aircraft.
I have never caused an issue!
A lot of people prefer a few drinks during dinner to get to sleep quicker, what is wrong with that?
And what does the above have to do with the local city bus or commuter train? Or public building or workplace?
Apples and Oranges......

And I have enjoyed a drink on long distance trains and busses too, by the way.
In fact they sell alcohol on all the main trains stations where I am, as far as I know!

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:39 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 90):
Some threads look pretty dull when you read the heading but comments can make them oh so interesting.
Id love to be a teenager and absolute sure of everything again, lovely days.

What I don't understand is why we are having this discussion, Ryanair have realised that many passengers who travel between Prestwick and Ibiza buys hard liqueur in the airports dutyfree shop, at non duty free prices, and have banned individuals from bringing such bottles on board.
This is Ryanair, they must have seen sales volumes decline, and being a business they have now rectified that. 3 hours flight and I'm sure they sell at least 250 cans of beer. Great business.
And lets be honest, there are very very few incidents on flights so its not like we have a serious issue.
Did anyone think Ryanair cares about the level of drunkenness on their flights? Its all about profit and I don't blame them one bit. they are a business and one leg of that business is sales of alcohol.

When I was 19, I spent a summer working in Magaluf for a rather famous touroperator (read picking up coachloads of tourists at the airport twice a day).
The locals at the airport had nicknames for the various planes. The Sthlm one was the vodka train, the Bristol plane the rubbermen express due to most struggling with keeping straight legs when they walked off the plane etc etc.
Its holidays. People go to the Mediterranean to enjoy themselves, in Europe, Northern Europe, that tend to mean that every plane has a group of people who start the day in the bar. They are happy they are off on holidays. They drink, get a bit loud and silly. Thats about it. While a nuisance to sober people they don't cause any harm or danger.
They may be old, they may be middle aged and they may be teenagers. Doesn't matter, they see holidays as a great way to relax, unwind and enjoy themselves. They are not a problem, they may get a bit drunk and silly, but anyone who work in the industry handles them with a smile. Simplifies things.
The we have run out of vodka but I'm happy to serve you a beer, solves a lot of issues when you reckon someone may drink a bit fast sorts most issues.

The problem travelers were two distinct groups;
1. Hardcore alcoholics, the ones who drink 24/7, and hardly leave their hotel rooms. usually recognised by the amount of dutyfree (not dutyfree but bought there) bottles they bring with them to the hotel.
2. Those who have existing issues, be they medical, be they psychotic, be they panicking about flying. They are totally unpredictable and can do anything, absolutely anything incl jumping out of balconies in fear of attacking giant man-eating cockroaches or believing that the hotel staff are aliens who are there to conduct medical experiments on them to combining medicine with alcohol and going complete berserk.
Non of those two groups would be stopped by a dry plane.

Having been a very very regular on Royal Brunei I can safely say that they bottles being shared on those flights usually leads to passenger being more drunk and more obnoxious than the two beers served on most regular airlines.

Hmm, mine is a Gin & Tonic, with lime not lemon...

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:33 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 89):

I doubt they are amazing, more revolting. If you smokers knew how disgusting you smell.... Being honest

You seem to be very judgmental of just about everyone, which doesn't really help you shake off this reputation you are getting for having a superiority complex... do yourself a favour, leave it out pal.

Quoting frostyj (Reply 80):
You've said this before. Please put it into British English.

It reads as... you've still got some growing up to do. I'm surprised that as somebody who gives the impression of being anti-American and as British as they come that you couldn't work that one out.

[Edited 2015-04-09 02:38:19]
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:42 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 16):

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
Brits are notoriously awful when it comes to drinking before and during travel. The only other country where I regularly see people binge drinking at airports at 5 am is Norway...

That is a silly generalisation - I've seen this in every country I've been to frequently.

I've found this to be in general a British thing, its 7am at the airport, the bars are open and the holiday has truly started. After three hours in the bar before the flight its no wonder some are insensible before they have even boarded. You then just hope that they fall asleep immediately after take off and remain that way.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
It doesn't apply to FR, but if there is free alcohol on a flight, boy oh boy do us Brits jump at the opportunity!

I've seen two passengers drink the club kitchen dry of beer on a LGW - MCO and we were only half way across the pond.

Some parts of the UK do have more of a drinking culture than others and its particularly noticeable when an airport is drawing its passengers from a smaller catchment area as is the case here with Glasgow. if the same flight were from STN the chances are that their would be more of a mix of passengers from drinking/non drinking areas which would lessen the potential problem.

Alcohol makes me feel relaxed, and once I reach a threshold slightly giddy and confused. Then I sleep. With some however it makes them feel exceedingly energetic and even violent, these are the people who really didn't ought to be drinking. A person told me years ago that he realised when still a teenager that alcohol turned him from a mild mannered person into someone with a desire to punch people. This was the point he stopped drinking. He's in his 70's now and still sticking to the orange juice.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 41):
Oh but theres where you are wrong, they DO need to drink! If they didn't need to drink they wouldn't be down in the bar ever god damn weekend.

Have you not heard of people going out to enjoy themselves and meet with friends? Alcohol enjoyed by adults is not normally a bad thing - why are you so set against it?
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting sbworcs (Reply 95):
Have you not heard of people going out to enjoy themselves and meet with friends? Alcohol enjoyed by adults is not normally a bad thing - why are you so set against it?

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 96):
Jesus forbids it?   

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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting DDR (Reply 83):
I have been a flight attendant for 29 years and I have NEVER had an alcohol related incident on any of my flights. Not one.

You should work for WestJet. A random sampling of reports within the past year or so from the Transport Canada daily occurrence reports site (the first two within the past 2 weeks). And that's just WestJet.

A WestJet Boeing 737-7CT (C-GWJE / WJA2729) from La Romana, Dominican Republic (MDLR) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) requested police and EMS to meet the flight upon arrival due to an intoxicated passenger onboard. The passenger had consumed 26oz of their own alcohol onboard and had a second bottle which was eventually given to the flight attendants. The passenger was removed on a stretcher and taken away by police.

A WestJet Boeing 737-800 (WJA720) from Vancouver, BC (CYVR) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) reported a passenger-related incident. The Flight Crew requested Police meet the flight in CYYZ for a passenger that was intoxicated, disturbing other passengers and drinking his/her own alcohol. Flight landed safely and the Police dealt with the passenger.

A WestJet Boeing 737 8CT (C-GJLZ) from Edmonton, AB (CYEG) to Las Vegas, NV (KLAS) reports four passengers were drinking their own alcohol. Crew requested police meet plane on arrival.

A WestJet Boeing 737-8CT (WJA445/ C-GWSZ) from Toronto, ON (CYYZ) to Edmonton, AB (CYEG) reported a passenger related incident. A passenger was seen stealing alcohol from the bar kit. Police met the flight and the passenger was arrested after landing in CYEG.

A WestJet Boeing 737-600 (C-GWSL) from Calgary, AB (CYYC) to Montreal, QC (CYUL) requested Police to meet the aircraft upon arrival due to a passenger-related incident. A passenger was drinking their own alcohol on board and being rude to the flight attendants.

A WestJet Boeing 737-7CT (C-GWBX / WJA103) from Edmonton, AB (CYEG) to Victoria, BC (CYYJ) reported an unruly passenger that brought their own alcohol on board and has been caught smoking in the lavatory. The crew has requested police to meet the aircraft in CYYJ.

The flight crew of a WestJet Boeing 737-700 (C-FIWS / WJA189) from Edmonton, AB (CYEG) to Kelowna, BC (CYLW) requested Police meet the flight in CYLW for a passenger travelling on board that was unruly. The crew mentioned that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) had been called in CYEG for this passenger who was drinking their own alcohol in the boarding lounge. Police met the flight and the passenger was arrested.

A WestJet Boeing 737-8CT (C-FBWI /WJA652) from Calgary, AB (CYYC) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) requested Police to meet the aircraft upon landing for a disruptive-passenger incident. The passenger onboard was intoxicated from consuming his/her own alcohol and was not following instructions from the flight attendants.

A WestJet Boeing 737-7CT (C-GYWJ / WJA302) from Calgary, AB (CYYC) to Ottawa, ON (CYOW) reported a disruptive passenger incident involving 3 passengers who were consuming their own alcohol. The crew requested the Police to meet the aircraft and speak to the passengers.

A Westjet Boeing 737-7CT (C-GGWJ/WJA2731) from Samana, Dominican Republic (MDCY) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) experienced a passenger related incident. Two passengers were consuming their own alcohol were unruly. Crew requested Police to meet the flight on arrival.

A WestJet Boeing 737-7CT (C-FWBL /WJA1494) from Calgary, AB (CYYC) to Phoenix, AZ (KPHX) reported a passenger-related incident involving an intoxicated passenger that was consuming their own alcohol onboard. Crew requested Police upon arrival.

A WestJet Boeing 737-700 (WJA557) departing Calgary, AB (CYYC) for Kelowna, BC (CYLW) pushed off the gate. Just as they completed the push the captain called requesting a gate to return to. There was a passenger under the influence of alcohol causing the flight attendants problems. WestJet operations called for the Calgary police to meet the aircraft. Police met with the guest and no charges were laid.

A Westjet Boeing 737 700 (WJA105) from Calgary, AB (CYYC) to Abbotsford, BC (CYXX) experienced a passenger related incident. A passenger was suspected to be under the influence of alcohol and was causing a disturbance. The crew requested police meet the flight in Abbotsford.

On a WestJet Boeing 737-7CT (C-GVWJ) from Winnipeg, MB (CYWG) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) a passenger became unruly due to alcohol and the police were called to meet the aircraft on arrival.

On a WestJet Boeing 737-8CT flight (C-GVWA) from Toronto, ON (CYYZ) to Las Vegas, NV (KLAS) a passenger was causing a disturbance due to alcohol. The flight crew requested Police to meet the aircraft on arrival.

A Westjet Boeing 737 800 (WJA1331) from Las Vegas, NV (KLAS) to Regina, SK (CYQR) experienced a disruptive passenger due to drinking alcohol. The flight attendant issued a Notice from the Captain. RCMP have been arranged to meet the flight on arrival into CYQR.

A WestJet Boeing 737-7CT (WJA2755) from Nassau, Bahamas (MYNN) and Toronto, ON (CYYZ) experienced disruptive passengers due to drinking alcohol. The crew requested the authorities to meet aircraft in CYYZ.

A WestJet Boeing 737-76N (C-FKWS/ WJA2660) from Toronto, ON (CYYZ) to Montego Bay, Jamaica (MKJS) experienced a passenger related incident. A passenger was found to be consuming their own alcohol and disturbing other passengers. Crew requested that the Police meet the flight in MKJS. Local authorities met the flight on arrival and have spoken with the flight crew. The Captain confirmed one FA has been assaulted by passenger. Local authorities arrested the individual and was taken to the police station. The crew confirmed they will press charges against the individual and they will provide statements at the local police station as requested by authorities.
 
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RE: Ryanair Bans Booze On Glasgow-Ibiza Flights

Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:52 pm

I just have to say, frostyj, you consistently attack people, put people down, display racist tendencies, and treat people like you know more than them. I know this comment is going to get deleted by the mods, and I might get temporarily banned, but somebody has to say this to you. You need to work on being less closed-minded and offensive if you want to be treated with more respect.

First of all, I'm not a fan of alcohol because I'm 18, first of all, and I have several personal reasons for not doing so. Does that mean I sit here and say that everybody I know that has touched alcohol has a "pathetic dependence" on it? No. If one of my adult relatives has a glass of wine at a gathering does that make them an alcoholic? Not even close. You need to realize how ignorant you sound and work on that if you don't want to offend people (maybe you do want to offend people, I don't know).

Think about that next time you post.

And again, I know this post is going to get deleted and I'm probably going to get in trouble with the mods, but somebody had to stand up for the fact that you, in this thread alone, have probably insulted half of the members of this forum. People don't pay to join this site to be insulted by a 19 year old who makes sweeping generalizations and racist remarks.
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