AA's MIA-LAX Going Mostly 738

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:44 am

Pretty disappointing.

For June 11th:

7:15am 772
9:30am 738
12:25pm 738
3:40pm 738
5:05pm 757
6:35pm 763
7:50pm 738
9:30pm 738

And perhaps a major cutback in the number of seats compared to past years.

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:45 am

It's the same exact thing every year. Simply the default schedule, it will reflect actual equipment probably by late April/early May. Not to say that the 738s won't be on the route, they very well might. As you know, the 757s are being parked and summer peak is when MIA-LAX usually loses a widebody rotation as that plane is flying to Europe. I expect the 2-class A321s will be the main plane on this route soon enough.

"Major cutback" in seats is a gross exaggeration considering the route very often sees at least 4 daily 738s, and they have more seats now than they did in the past (160 vs. 148).

[Edited 2015-04-07 17:48:59]

Miami · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:46 am

What about the 777-200ER?

I hope eventually they put a 788 on the route.

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 2):

What about the 777-200ER?

Still there, like always. Operates twice a day most of the year, and once a day typically during peak summer when the plane is used on long-haul flying.

rta · Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:56 am

What planes do they usually use? I thought they were all 738s except for a 772 and 763.

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:00 am

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
What planes do they usually use? I thought they were all 738s except for a 772 and 763.

There is usually 1-2 772s and 1 763, and the rest is a mix of 738/757/321. It literally changes every month. This schedule is nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever.

lpdal · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:02 am

I have this route booked on the 30th of May for Flagship First on the 772 on the 2:56 PM afternoon / evening departure. I sure hope they don't ever remove the 772 on this route, as the Flagship suite and Flagship lounge service are second to none on this city / area pair.

Didn't they announce changes on the 772 service for this route a few weeks ago? Like they were going to bring back pajamas in F, etc....

-LPDAL

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 6):
Didn't they announce changes on the 772 service for this route a few weeks ago? Like they were going to bring back pajamas in F, etc....

No, just amenity kits have been added. Also slight improvement to meal service should be starting May 1st.

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
Simply the default schedule, it will reflect actual equipment probably by late April/early May

Kind of leaving it to the last minute. We're about 2 months out.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
There is usually 1-2 772s and 1 763, and the rest is a mix of 738/757/321. It literally changes every month. This schedule is nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever.

What's different this year is the almost complete lack of 757s which is understandable given the retirements. They haven't upped the frequencies though, hence my statement that it appears that there are less seats on this route than in the past.

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 6):
I have this route booked on the 30th of May for Flagship First on the 772 on the 2:56 PM afternoon / evening departure

A 772 MIA-LAX leaving at 2:56pm?????

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 6):
Didn't they announce changes on the 772 service for this route a few weeks ago? Like they were going to bring back pajamas in F, etc....

We never had pajamas in F on that route. It's about 5:15 (on a day with strong headwinds) and coming back LAX-MIA it's usually 4:15 or so.

chepos · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:14 am

IMO the 738 is a nicer ride than the 757 in particular, some of those 757 aircraft have seen much better days. I was just on a retrofitted 738 today and IMO it's a nice product. Better than a 763 or 757at least inY.

lpdal · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:18 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
A 772 MIA-LAX leaving at 2:56pm?????

No, the other way around, LAX-MIA. I'll be connecting from PDX on Alaska F.

Edit: It's May 31st, and 2:15 PM.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):

No, just amenity kits have been added. Also slight improvement to meal service should be starting May 1st.

Thanks, Mark.

-LPDAL

phillyramp270 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 9):

I agree.. flew a 738 on one of my legs to HNL. Was seated in MCE and it was pretty smooth and comfortable. Though the power outlets wasn't working and I was pissed. I had nothing to do on that Ricky dink 763 on my final leg lol

seat1a · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:37 am

Slightly off topic, I just flew AA122 MIA-SEA last night in F and the dinner service and cabin crew were outstanding. The 738 is a nice ride. Love the recline seats where the seat cushion moves forward. Food quality was excellent, loved the sundae, Sky Interior, new exterior paint. A long ass flight that clocked in at 6hrs 2min. Even I was getting restless with an hour left to go.

My first trip on AA in a long time. Thank you so much for the safe journey and outstanding service. A felt it was a step ahead of UA and way ahead of Alaska. Great to see. Loved the MIA airport.

jetblue1965 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:48 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 10):

Enjoy your award redemption =)

Miami · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:51 am

I'd expect a A321 to do all these flights. Unless, of course, they use retrofitted 738.

738 with no IFE behind the seats is a big

.

Sometimes, I'd much prefer to fly with Delta on such a route for the time being.

PGNCS · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:03 am

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 11):
Though the power outlets wasn't working and I was pissed. I had nothing to do on that Ricky dink 763 on my final leg lol

So maybe, oh, I don't know, bring a book?

lpdal · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:34 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 15):
ol
So maybe, oh, I don't know, bring a book?

I could use a good aviation related title for that flight, the suite has this banker's lamp type light at the end of the side table which is at a perfect angle for fully reclining and snuggling with a good book on LAX-MIA, especially at night. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any halfway decent realistic fiction aviation books in my local B&N. It's hard to beat Hatchet.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 13):
Enjoy your award redemption =)

Thanks! I was inspired to plunk down some US miles on that after I flew the same flight a few months back, but in full fare revenue first rather than award miles. My first two rev segments on MIA-LAX-MIA allowed me to take a third LAX-MIA award flight, fancy that!

Quoting Miami (Reply 14):
738 with no IFE behind the seats is a big

Now now, those 738 seats have an amazing amount of legroom, up front, at least -- I had at least two feet in front of my knees! That was amazing.

Back on MIA-LAX-MIA, is there any chance at all that we'll see the 77W or 321T on this route? I'd love to catch AA 773 but it doesn't appear to be running any domestic segments at all in any sort of regularity....The 321T as well looks very nice and it could be a good fit for this route if utilized correctly.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
Also slight improvement to meal service should be starting May 1st.

What are the slight improvements in F on the 772 on MIA-LAX-MIA? Since my flight is on the 31st, I'd love to know!

-LPDAL

[Edited 2015-04-07 19:50:49]

phillyramp270 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:46 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 15):

My books were actually on my phone, but I guess you missed the point

chepos · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:54 am

I doubt you will see the T, the route needs denser aircraft than the T. Plus you do not need all those flights with 3 class service.
Only chance the 77W goes between MIA and LAX is for repo purposes and considering LAX only has 2 77W departure both to LHR (both inbound from Heathrow), right now I doubt there is a need to send them MIA and LAX.

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:59 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 16):
Back on MIA-LAX-MIA, is there any chance at all that we'll see the 77W or 321T on this route? I'd love to catch AA 773 but it doesn't appear to be running any domestic segments at all in any sort of regularity....The 321T as well looks very nice and it could be a good fit for this route if utilized correctly.

AA has tried using the "Premium Transcon" plane on MIA-LAX-MIA in the past, but it's never lasted more than a month or two or three.

It would be nice, though, if they were able to run a 321T in place of one of those 738s. The fact that the only 772 on the route leaves MIA at 7am is not at all good for those of us who live in the area and would rather not wake up at 4:30am just to be able to not have to sit in a regular, domestic F seat on this route (though there is the 763 much later in the day, at least for now).

I've read for years on here that MIA-LAX-MIA attracts "glamor" / "premium" / "A lister" clients. The schedule I cited in the OP hardly provides a "premium" experience.

lpdal · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:02 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):

I've read for years on here that MIA-LAX-MIA attracts "glamor" / "premium" / "A lister" clients. The schedule I cited in the OP hardly provides a "premium" experience.

That is actually true, considering that Miami and Los Angeles along with New York City are all huge entertainment juggernaut metros, and they do demand "glamorous" service...

-LPDAL

phillyramp270 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:15 am

Can't they just use the 321T on prime time segments. Early morning and red eyes... To catch those A listers

Longhornmaniac · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 16):
halfway decent realistic fiction aviation books

Anything by John Nance.

Cheers,
Cameron

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 21):
Can't they just use the 321T on prime time segments

When they used te 762, it would leave LAX around 9am, arrive MIA at 5pm or so, then turn and head back to LAX around 6pm.

miaami · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:27 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
The fact that the only 772 on the route leaves MIA at 7am

Actually 2 of the 8 flights are operated by 772 right now.

1403 MIA 07:00 LAX 09:43 772
919 MIA 19:50 LAX 22:31 772

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:48 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 24):
Actually 2 of the 8 flights are operated by 772 right now.

Yes, which makes it even more aggravating that we'll soon just see the 1x 772 at 7am (which I've been told is for all the South America connecting traffic).

ec99 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:01 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 20):
That is actually true, considering that Miami and Los Angeles along with New York City are all huge entertainment juggernaut metros, and they do demand "glamorous" service...

This is true. But what Miami doesnt have is the general monied population of NY and LA. The entertainment sector demand glamorous service but so so bankers, financiers and big firm lawyers. Miami just doesnt have the volume of people willing to pay for premium service. But in all fairness no American city does except for NY and LA.

jetblue1965 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:10 pm

Quoting EC99 (Reply 26):

This is true. But what Miami doesnt have is the general monied population of NY and LA. The entertainment sector demand glamorous service but so so bankers, financiers and big firm lawyers. Miami just doesnt have the volume of people willing to pay for premium service. But in all fairness no American city does except for NY and LA.

SF has the base to pay the high fares too, just not from the glitzy entertainment folks. SF is holding its own in terms of premium transcon even with slightly less than half the population (8.4M vs. 18.2M)

dfwjim1 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:00 pm

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):

This schedule looks pretty good to me but I think AA should add an additional flight in the morning between the 715 AM and 930 AM
departures.

lpdal · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:03 pm

What you have to remember about these "cuts" that everyone gets all up in arms about, is that they aren't cuts, but simply adjustments to the demands of the season. It's simple economics, when demand is low, you retract the product, when demand is high, you supply more of the product. That is probably a gross oversimplification, especially for routes such as loss leaders or vanity segments, but it is the gist of it.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 22):

Anything by John Nance.

Thanks, Cameron, I'll check out Amazon Prime for some of his works. Also, when I fly LAX-MIA again, will I be able to use the Oneworld premium cabin lounge in MIA CCE? On that first trip, I confirmed over the telephone that MIA-LAX-MIA Flagship First passengers can, in fact, use that clubroom, and I attempted to after I got off LAX-MIA. The agent rudely denied me entrance, even though I printed out a hard copy of the OW MIA Premium Lounge's "Age 18 and over" policy, stating that due to open container alcohol, I wasn't allowed in. By that point I had been flying all day and was too exhausted to put up a fight, so I just shrugged and went back to the Gate D30 Admirals Club, disappointed, too, because I looked up photos of the buffet spread and it was one of the largest I've ever seen.

Can't wait to use the AS Board Room, heard they serve pancakes in them....

-LPDAL / Colby

BigGSFO · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 29):
Can't wait to use the AS Board Room, heard they serve pancakes in them....

They do.

Max752 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:17 pm

I don't get what the big deal is. This isn't new for AA. Every year the same summer schedule is implemented. the only thing this schedule is missing is all of the A321Ss. However, with that said, I think some of those 738 flights might go to a321s. I've noticed that AA will plan a route with older aircraft and implement newer aircraft has they become more available and reliable.

I hope the MIA-LAX 777-200 flights is past 9am. I love flying STL-LAX with a connection through MIA on that big ole' 777.

-Max

flymia · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 25):
Yes, which makes it even more aggravating that we'll soon just see the 1x 772 at 7am (which I've been told is for all the South America connecting traffic).

Its a seasonal adjustment. They would rather use the 772 on a high demand long haul during the summer. I would be surprised if the 772 is not right back on the 9:30am departure after the summer. They have done this many times before.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
I've read for years on here that MIA-LAX-MIA attracts "glamor" / "premium" / "A lister" clients. The schedule I cited in the OP hardly provides a "premium" experience.

This was a pretty recent change due to the US headings wanting to bank departures and arrivals. The first flight out used to be closer to 8:30am on the 772. MIA-LAX is no LAX-JFK but it still demands some premium options with tons of business travelers and a very large amount of FF elite flyers.

Max752 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:32 pm

In other news, the last Airbus a321-200 (32b; 10, 20, 72) for AA arrives this month. I wonder if they would ever consider putting two a321s in the Flagship configuration on MIA-LAX; LAX-MIA.

It could be very easy with ample a321s at LAX. AA could pull off LAX-MIA then MIA-JFK for re-positioning. Just an idea.

-Max

jetblue1965 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:42 pm

Quoting Max752 (Reply 31):

STL-MIA-LAX ? That's one big long detour for the sake of premium service.

OA412 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
I've read for years on here that MIA-LAX-MIA attracts "glamor" / "premium" / "A lister" clients. The schedule I cited in the OP hardly provides a "premium" experience.

Which is why you need to take anything said about MIA on this site with a huge pinch of salt. To say that MIA's attributes have been immensely overhyped by some members of this forum is an understatement.

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 29):
What you have to remember about these "cuts" that everyone gets all up in arms about, is that they aren't cuts, but simply adjustments to the demands of the season. It's simple economics, when demand is low, you retract the product, when demand is high, you supply more of the product. That is probably a gross oversimplification, especially for routes such as loss leaders or vanity segments, but it is the gist of it.

Pretty accurate I'd say. It's definitely been a problem on this site for as long as I can remember, but has gotten even worse with the weekly OAG threads and that OP's tendency to overdramatize.

JDAirCEO · Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting Max752 (Reply 33):

People have asked about this lately but the reality is there is not a market for the A321T configured plane on MIA-LAX. There just are not the number of people willing to pay for the product as there is on JFK-LAX. The 777 has a large Y cabin that helps and many of the people in F/J are connections from South American markets. Not all of them, but demand is not there to support more than 1-2 777s a day on the route.

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 36):

Quoting N62NA (Reply 19):
I've read for years on here that MIA-LAX-MIA attracts "glamor" / "premium" / "A lister" clients. The schedule I cited in the OP hardly provides a "premium" experience.

Which is why you need to take anything said about MIA on this site with a huge pinch of salt. To say that MIA's attributes have been immensely overhyped by some members of this forum is an understatement.

Nothing is being over-hyped. All big three domestic carriers offer an enhanced trans-con product for their JFK trans-cons. The only case in the domestic industry where that identical soft/ground product is transferred to a non-JFK route is with AA's MIA-LAX route (Delta tried with SEA-JFK, but it didn't last). That's just reality; take it for what you will.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 37):
Sorry, I should have been more clear, I can see where some - including even you - might be confused. I was referring to the 762.

The 762 was never permanently put on MIALAX. Occasionally when AA had slack in the fleet, one would wind up flying MIA-LAX, because it makes a lot of sense to do that.

lpdal · Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 38):

Mark, will I be able to get into the Concourse E premium lounge after my LAX-MIA flight with my three class F LAX-MIA boarding pass?

-LPDAL

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:07 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 39):
Mark, will I be able to get into the Concourse E premium lounge after my LAX-MIA flight with my three class F LAX-MIA boarding pass?

If the lounge was open, yes, but I think it closes after the flight arrives.

miaskies · Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:02 pm

Here is what I see for AA MIALAX Summer first of the month(s):

6/1/15: 2x 777, 1x 757, 2x 32B, 4x 738 = 9x

7/1/15: 1x 777, 1x 763, 1x 757, 4x 738 = 7x

8/1/15: 2x 777, 1x 763, 1x 32B, 4x 738 = 8x

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting Max752 (Reply 31):
I don't get what the big deal is. This isn't new for AA. Every year the same summer schedule is implemented. the only thing this schedule is missing is all of the A321Ss.

They haven't flown 321s on that route in prior years.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 38):
The 762 was never permanently put on MIALAX. Occasionally when AA had slack in the fleet, one would wind up flying MIA-LAX, because it makes a lot of sense to do that.

I never said permanently, as shown below:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
When they used te 762, it would leave LAX around 9am, arrive MIA at 5pm or so, then turn and head back to LAX around 6pm.

Perhaps I should clarify that more. When AA put a 762 on LAX-MIA-LAX....

Max752 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 42):
They haven't flown 321s on that route in prior years.

Yes they have. Apparently it is also planned for the summer as well.

-Max

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting Max752 (Reply 42):
Yes they have. Apparently it is also planned for the summer as well.

How could they have flown 321s on MIA-LAX in years past? They didn't have 321s until recent times.

aacun · Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:53 pm

The 2 class 321's first Route was LAX-MiA IIRC

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:07 pm

Quoting aacun (Reply 44):
The 2 class 321's first Route was LAX-MiA

Actually, I believe it was routed through DFW. But the point is, the 321s were not used LAX-MIA in past years - AA didn't have them!

MAH4546 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 41):
When AA put a 762 on LAX-MIA-LAX....

You imply it was some sort of "experiment" that never worked with your claims that "it never lasted." When AA had 762 slack, it put one on MIALAX, because that's a really good route to put it on. Nothing more, nothing less. It rarely had slack in the 762 fleet.

N62NA · Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:36 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 46):

You imply it was some sort of "experiment" that never worked with your claims that "it never lasted."

No, I'm not implying anything. And the 762 never did last very long on the route the handful of times AA ran it.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 46):
When AA had 762 slack, it put one on MIALAX, because that's a really good route to put it on. Nothing more, nothing less. It rarely had slack in the 762 fleet.

When AA had 762 slack, they also put it on EWR-LAX. Just like MIA-LAX, it never did last very long on that route either.

[Edited 2015-04-08 16:44:40]

S75752 · Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:42 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 14):
I'd expect a A321 to do all these flights. Unless, of course, they use retrofitted 738.

738 with no IFE behind the seats is a big .

Don't the 738's have power accessible from every seat though?

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 15):

So maybe, oh, I don't know, bring a book?

No.

Max752 · Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:25 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):
How could they have flown 321s on MIA-LAX in years past? They didn't have 321s until recent times.

Last I checked they've had the a321 for more than a year now and I had even consider going on a later flight to LAX from MIA on the Airbus a321 just last fall. I decided not to because the 777-200 is an unbeatable experience.

-Max

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