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Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:53 am

Not only is this incomprehensible but the ink is ugly and the paper is from the wrong kind of tree
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:37 am

That's interesting. Usually lightning strikes harmlessly pass through the conductive structure and exit at some other point and rarely leave worse damage than some scorch marks. The average airliner takes about one strike per year, IIRC.

I guess because the radome is probably composite it actually got thermal damage from its own resistance.
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:10 am

I find it amazing that the damage didn't affect the flight noticeably and that the hole didn't become larger.

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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:02 am

They continued the flight? Were they aware at all that there was a hole there? Surely that would have some effect on the instrumentation living within there, if not from the lightning then the winds?
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:11 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 3):
Were they aware at all that there was a hole there? Surely that would have some effect on the instrumentation living within there, if not from the lightning then the winds?

They had no way to know.

The hole was nowhere near big enough to adversely affect handling characteristics to the point that it would be noticeable and there is no cockpit indication that directly alerts you of structural damage.

The only thing that lives there is the weather radar. It seems it kept working as I doubt they would have proceeded all the way to destination without a working radar, unless they were able to maintain visual separation with the weather at all times, which is doubtful. Still, it must have taken quite the beating.
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:26 am

Please someone tell me that the fish were ok  
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:30 am

G'day

Obviously they are unable to transport palletized fish boxes on this plane.  

Does manually loading / unloading each individual box raise the final sales price of the fish?   


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Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:41 am

I found it funny the ad on the page linked was for Icelandair.

Obviously they had no way of knowing there was a hole in the nose and all systems were operating normally. I wonder how much that affected fuel burn however?
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
Please someone tell me that the fish were ok  

Fried is all, no worries. 
On a more serious note, you beat me to the question.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:17 pm

Probably would have been a bit noisier..
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:33 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
I guess because the radome is probably composite it actually got thermal damage from its own resistance.

  
My thoughts as well. That part wouldn't be very conductive.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 10):
That part wouldn't be very conductive.

To make the weather radar effective the nose cone is made of totally non-conductive composites such as glassfiber or Kevlar.

Therefore a lightning usually finds a way around the nose cone.

There may have been a tiny crack from a small bird strike or such. The crack can have filled with microscopic dirt over time and made an electric path with high resistance. The result of that could be exactly what we see.

But in this case the lightning destroyed any evidense.
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:17 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 9):

With the screaming air conditioning noise in some 757 cockpits I am not sure they would have heard anything different.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:28 pm

Lightning Strikes are not a rare occurrence at all. They're a rare pain in the BUTT!! lightning rarely strikes just in one place when it hits and the inspection and repairs could take all day looking for all the burned rivets
hopefully the lightning didn't take out the Weather Radar. Scanner and wave guide or they might not be getting back anytime soon. especially with the Weather over the Midwest.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:31 pm

Being down an A/C must certainly impact fish hauling operations, especially because the 757 is the only A/C capable of hauling fish!
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting UsAir737 (Reply 14):

Hmm? I'm confused.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 13):
Lightning Strikes are not a rare occurrence at all. They're a rare pain in the BUTT!! lightning rarely strikes just in one place when it hits and the inspection and repairs could take all day looking for all the burned rivets

As you may well know most of the burn damage found is from the lightning exiting the aircraft through the path of least resistance. A lot of times one strike will cause 50 burn spots on the fuselage and various other areas. Yes, they are a pain in the butt, 20 years ago you could, per the SRM, burnish the damage, restore the finish and move on. That is no longer possible with the new aging aircraft programs that have to be able to track every little bit of major or minor damage. I am surprised that the radar was still able to paint with the turbulence that probably existed inside the radome.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 15):
Hmm? I'm confused.

Just go and read all a.nutter postings about Icelandair during the last six months, then you won't be confused any longer.   
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:53 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 16):
I am surprised that the radar was still able to paint with the turbulence that probably existed inside the radome.

That was my first thought too. Must be a quite strong electrical motor moving that radar inside there.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:38 am

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 12):
With the screaming air conditioning noise in some 757 cockpits I am not sure they would have heard anything different.

Good point and my # one peeve with the B757 cockpit, all that cooling air blowing over you, very cold and annoying, don't know what Boeing was thinking, the 767 is much better.
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:56 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 17):
Just go and read all a.nutter postings about Icelandair during the last six months, then you won't be confused any longer.   

I'm only seeing trip reports. Is this a running gag?
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:20 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 20):
I'm only seeing trip reports. Is this a running gag?

IIRC, it came out of one of the innumerable A321LR vs 752 debates and someone talked about how Icelandair flew a lot of fish and would the A321LR be able to carry as much fish? Or something stupid like that. Someone else correct me if I got it wrong.

Anyway, everyone thought it was one of the most hilariously stupid things they'd ever heard and an A.net running joke (along with snowglobes and conveyor belt runways) was born.
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:34 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
IIRC, it came out of one of the innumerable A321LR vs 752 debates and someone talked about how Icelandair flew a lot of fish and would the A321LR be able to carry as much fish? Or something stupid like that. Someone else correct me if I got it wrong.

Anyway, everyone thought it was one of the most hilariously stupid things they'd ever heard and an A.net running joke (along with snowglobes and conveyor belt runways) was born.

Ha thanks, enlighten me on the conveyor belts and snowglobes too?
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:21 am

"Snow globes (unless otherwise
prohibited)* OK OK

*Snow globes that appear to contain less than 3.4 ounces (approximately tennis ball size) will be permitted if the entire snow globe, including the base, is able to fit in the same one clear, plastic, quart-sized, re-sealable bag, as the passenger’s other liquids, such as shampoo, toothpaste and cosmetics items."

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items

There's an ongoing joke about a snowglobe on this site, but I don't get it since the TSA still allows them. I also feel that a plane could take off on a conveyor belt if need be, FWIW.

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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:06 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 19):
Good point and my # one peeve with the B757 cockpit, all that cooling air blowing over you, very cold and annoying, don't know what Boeing was thinking, the 767 is much better.

You got that right. The A/C system in the 757 flight deck is a poor design. Much prefer the 76, much quieter and you are not "wind dried" as in the 757.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting UsAir737 (Reply 14):
Being down an A/C must certainly impact fish hauling operations, especially because the 757 is the only A/C capable of hauling fish!

The 767-300ER starting next year will haul 14 t instead of the 4 t on the 757-200, but there will only be two of them.

The 757´s do a long stop over in DEN between the flights, should be enough time to access and repair the damage.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:18 pm

I fear i have missed a huge joke when it comes to Icelandair & Fish.
Anyone care to enlighten me??

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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting lhrlocal (Reply 26):
I fear i have missed a huge joke when it comes to Icelandair & Fish.
Anyone care to enlighten me??

LHRloca

That was me, when discussing the future A321LR, I talked about too little space to haul cargo compared to the 757-200.
- The reply was who hauls cargo on a 757 as belly freight.
- Icelandair
- Why not move it over to other operators wide bodies and so on.
- The freight is fish and time sensitive, therefore going on direct flights.

Since than I have been on the bad side a of the "fish" joke.  
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:33 pm

On the grand scale of things, there is nothing at all fishy about the Icelandair 757s, so no-one should feel gutted or a bit green around the gills at them hauling fresh cargo out of Iceland!

Queue further jokes about skating, fins, crabbing in the wind, etc....... Any more?

Lightning strike? Just land near a MacD and get some fries - fish&chips!

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DolphinAir747 (Reply 20):

Interesting user name for this joke!
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:53 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 22):

Ha thanks, enlighten me on the conveyor belts and snowglobes too?

Would it be possible to consolidate links to discussions such as this into a 'A.net Legendary Posts' thread or something along those lines? I have tried desperately to find the original fish post, but without luck. It would also have to include threads about the 757 tooling, commercial failure that is the 767-400, and best troll posts among other topics. Can one of the Mods get on this?
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:19 pm

Where does the two-letter code FI come from?
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 30):
Where does the two-letter code FI come from?

"from the old name of the company: Flugfélag Íslands"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandair
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:12 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 27):
That was me, when discussing the future A321LR, I talked about too little space to haul cargo compared to the 757-200.
- The reply was who hauls cargo on a 757 as belly freight.
- Icelandair
- Why not move it over to other operators wide bodies and so on.
- The freight is fish and time sensitive, therefore going on direct flights.

Since than I have been on the bad side a of the "fish" joke.  

I remember that thread. I backed you up on the fish issue, because I know first hand how important fresh fish cargo is. Now I feel kind of bad every time I read the fish joke somewhere. I was hoping it would stop, but doesn't seem like it.   
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:09 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 32):
Now I feel kind of bad every time I read the fish joke somewhere. I was hoping it would stop, but doesn't seem like it.

On a.net, there are many topics that keep coming round, again and again (and again ......)

Of these, the "fish joke" is new(ish), fresh (we hope), light, and non-controversial, unlike many of the other "Mine is better than yours" threads that are all too common here. We even introduced a new metric for new aircraft, how many fresh fish FI could get into it after a load of pax & their bags! That's scientific progress!

So I say - long live the fish! And God bless all who fly them (and those who fry them later)
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:31 pm

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 31):

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 30):
Where does the two-letter code FI come from?

"from the old name of the company: Flugfélag Íslands"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandair



Oh I thought it stood for something else   
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 34):

Oh I thought it stood for something else


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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 35):
Quoting Larshjort (Reply 35):

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 34):

Oh I thought it stood for something else


FI(SH)  


Fisk rather...
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 18):
Quoting 737tdi (Reply 16):I am surprised that the radar was still able to paint with the turbulence that probably existed inside the radome.

That was my first thought too. Must be a quite strong electrical motor moving that radar inside there.

To almost put this back on topic.   Yes the motor is strong but I have and can hold it with my hands. Even if it did not stop it, I would have thought they would have gotten a fault. Granted that is no reason to RTB but it would raise the level of awareness that there was/maybe some damage. I would almost guarantee the FDR and CVR (useless now) are being downloaded to determine specifics. JMO.
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:29 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 25):

Glad the fish hauling capacity is on the rise! I wouldn't want to see fish shortages! The 763 should prove to be a game changing fish moving A/C
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:37 am

I've been hit by lightning a few times, you usually can't tell what damage if any has occurred, if all systems are normal there's no reason not to press on.


The Aircraft has to prove it can be hit and operate normally during certification.

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 24):
You got that right. The A/C system in the 757 flight deck is a poor design. Much prefer the 76, much quieter and you are not "wind dried" as in the 757.

I understand there were two separate design teams for the 75 and 767, I wish the 767 team had done both, except for the landing gear that is, the 75's is so much more forgiving !
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:42 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 32):
I remember that thread. I backed you up on the fish issue, because I know first hand how important fresh fish cargo is. Now I feel kind of bad every time I read the fish joke somewhere. I was hoping it would stop, but doesn't seem like it.  

Nope. I think it's achieved legendary status. So sorry.



Didn't know it was you, Mjoelnir. I thought it was some off-the-wall newbie who made a joke (I never paid careful attention to the joke's evolution). I respect your posts, so I apologize.

The snow globes came from a discussion of what size snow globes can be taken as carry-on luggage according to TSA rules and I think they involved one of the more notorious juvenile posters of inanity this site has ever seen, IIRC.

The conveyor belt came from a tech/ops discussion about whether if you put an airplane on a conveyor belt and started running the conveyor belt forward, what would happen to V1 and Vr and such? The answer is that the wheels on an airliner freewheel and if we ignore friction, the conveyor belt would have no effect as long as the tires didn't exceed their maximum rated speed. But the discussion went baaaack and fooooorth and baaaack and fooooorth and it became a thing.
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:14 am

Doc, that's pretty, er well...



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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:25 am

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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:41 am

Quoting Pelle (Reply 42):
-Doc Lightning-

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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 41):

Doc, that's pretty, er well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozoTzkCeO-A

The entire video it's based on is...something...

...let's just say you have to see it to believe it. For those of you who missed the '80s, this is pretty much how it was 24/7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIfAkOBMf5A

Anywho... Somwhere an FI got a hole blown in its radome by lightning. While carrying fish.  
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:39 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 39):
I understand there were two separate design teams for the 75 and 767, I wish the 767 team had done both, except for the landing gear that is, the 75's is so much more forgiving !

And still they managed to maintain cockpit commonality and same type rating, that's not bad.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):

I can't unsee that.   
 
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:05 am

Here's a good view of it. I can't believe the force of the wind didn't damage the inner workings.

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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:24 am

15 years ago, we had a user called TEDSKI who would champion that the A340 was underpowered, and that the 777 had the right amount of power. We also had A340 jokes such as how it only "climbs" due to the curvature of the earth!
 
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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:03 am

Weather radar antennae could have been affected, otherwise you have to remember there's a very substantial pressure bulkhead behind that radome.


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RE: Lightning Strike Rips A Hole In The Nose Of FI671

Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:09 am

Fish are the new snowglobe. Love it.

Maybe this was FI's new way of flash cooking fish?

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 22):
Ha thanks, enlighten me on the conveyor belts and snowglobes too?
Quoting OMP777X (Reply 23):
There's an ongoing joke about a snowglobe on this site, but I don't get it since the TSA still allows them. I also feel that a plane could take off on a conveyor belt if need be, FWIW.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
The snow globes came from a discussion of what size snow globes can be taken as carry-on luggage according to TSA rules and I think they involved one of the more notorious juvenile posters of inanity this site has ever seen, IIRC.

That is incorrect. The snowglobe discussion has nothing to do with the TSA issue. It was about an unfortunate (former) member and trying to impress a girl, striking out miserably. If you do a search with FLAIRPORT and Snowglobe (maybe 2 words), you will find it.

Snowglobe jokes are still made on various FB pages.
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