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EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:36 am

On a press meeting just now, Sir Tim Clark himself has revealed the plans to upgrade CPH to a A380. It will be with the new 615-seater A380 with 58J/557Y configuration.

http://www.check-in.dk/emirates-lanc...r-airbus-a380-til-cph#.VSYr7PmsXzg
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:40 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Thread starter):
It will be with the new 615-seater A380 with 58J/557Y configuration.

Wow. Just let that sink in...
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:41 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Thread starter):
It will be with the new 615-seater A380 with 58J/557Y configuration.

Emirates will receive four two-class A380's this year, I was wondering where they would deploy these aircraft.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:46 am

Great news, it makes CPH feel like a grown up airport  
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:49 am

I was kinda suspecting it when CPH only last year I believe announced they would make room for the A380 and looking at CPH now, I see the A380 stand is almost complete already. They probably got a call from Tim a long time ago saying, if they make room for the A380, EK will send it there.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:13 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
I was wondering where they would deploy these aircraft

I would say Manila, Jakarta and Guangzhou are pretty high up that list if EK can make it happen with infrastructure and government approvals.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:19 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
I would say Manila

I was actually expecting MNL to be the first to receive the 615-seater A380 not least because EK was forced to cut one daily departure.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:31 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6):

Maybe some legal reasons are in the way still.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:37 am

Is this the commercial aircraft with more people ever? 615 seats. Wow.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:41 am

More detailed article about the announcement og EK A380 ops to CPH - a good day for Copenhagen Airport...!
http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/emira...airbus-a380-pa-ruten-til-kobenhavn
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:01 pm

Everyone is forgetting one big contender for this dual class A380....MAURITIUS   which is already an A380 operated route.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:05 pm

From airlineroute the following appears. Apparently it is already reflected in the booking systems.

Emirates starting 01DEC15 will launch Airbus A380 operations on Dubai – Copenhagen route, replacing Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. The A380 will be operating on daily basis. Reservation for A380 service opened after 1055GMT.

Emirates’ 2-class 615-seater A380 will be entering operation in the 2nd half of 2015, with configuration of J58Y557. Current seat map is showing a 3-class A380 configuration, and this is expected to be replaced by 2-class configuration at a later date.

EK151 DXB0820 – 1220CPH 388 D
EK152 CPH1420 – 2335DXB 388 D

And press release from Emirates:
http://www.emirates.com/dk/english/a...tail.aspx?article=2298381&offset=0

[Edited 2015-04-09 06:07:45]
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 10):
Everyone is forgetting one big contender for this dual class A380....MAURITIUS   which is already an A380 operated route.

The first 4 of the new A380's with 615-seats will be the following:
MSN200 A6-EOP
MSN202 A6-EOQ
MSN203 A6-EOR
MSN204 A6-EOS

I suppose with 4 aircraft the following could be candidates for the new 58J/557Y configuration:
MNL, CGK, CAN and MRU.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:11 pm

Wow! Congratz to CPH!

ARN is getting ready for the A380 as well. My bet is that we will se the whale there next year.  
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 13):

Would be a real treat to have the A380 at ARN.

Does anyone have the load factor for both ARN and CPH to DXB?
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:35 pm

What about CAI & AMM? CAI is 2 daily B777 flights and AMM has 3 daily flights, some days 3 daily B777 flights. Amman Queen Alia Airport will be having an A380 capable gate constructed in phase 2 which is currently underway.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 13):
ARN is getting ready for the A380 as well. My bet is that we will se the whale there next year.

ARN is a 3-class B77W, so they could upgrade ARN even before getting their 2-class A380s.   
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:45 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Would be a real treat to have the A380 at ARN.

Does anyone have the load factor for both ARN and CPH to DXB?

Brief estimations,

EK151/152 / CPH is for sure the most popular one, where there is an annual average load factor at Y - 85%, J - 60%.
Nearly 100% load factor the times i've operated on it at least.
EK157/158 / ARN lies usually annually between somewhere around Y- 60%, J - 60%, F - 50%
EK159/160 / OSL are definitely picking up their loads, as they were struggling a bit in the beginning. But you'd find loads somewhere between Y - 55%, J - 40%, and F - 60%. F is definitely the most popular cabin.
(Cargo is a big revenue maker on these Scandinavian routes)

Ofcourse during peak seasons these routes pack up pretty quickly, but the estimations are at an annual average; except OSL, half annual  
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:52 am

Quoting erikgrinsvall (Reply 17):

Interesting, but it must be true. I flew the route in May last year and outbound the plane was only about 1/3 full. I had three seats for myself.

Home bound it was a little over half full.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:45 am

Quoting erikgrinsvall (Reply 17):

How about pricing? Last time I checked you could get fares from OSL to DXB (or further) similar to CPH fares, but just in Norwegian Kroner, which means 13% less with today's exchange rate.

Ie at the moment - same campaign lasting until April 15:
OSL-DXB 3010 NOK = 2600 DKK
CPH-DXB 3550 DKK = 4100 NOK
ARN-DXB 3530 SEK = 3270 NOK = 2830 DKK

Looks like the fares from CPH in general is higher, which probably translates into better yield.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:27 am

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 19):

One reason; like most airlines do, I do suspect, that EK are keeping their fares from OSL to DXB lower then the other Scandinavian routes to get their route image growing and attracting more PAX. EK159/160 is still less than a year in operation, so once they pass their 1 year anniversary, you'll most likely start to see (or not) a gradual increase on pricing on fares; traditionally that is.
CPH are giving possibilities for the german customers based north, as an alternative instead of HAM. CPH prices are identical to HAM fares at 3540DKK.
CPH doesn't just serve danish and german PAX, but also (the few) icelandics, finns, swedes on the south and south-west side. Therefore it seems that EK are trying to get the Swedes based south-west, as well as the transiting PAX from KEF and HEL, to go OSL instead of CPH, by offering cheaper fares, possibly to the level loads.

This is just an assumption, no directs fact other than the prices.

[Edited 2015-04-10 02:32:19]

[Edited 2015-04-10 02:32:47]
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:14 am

CPH-DXB in 2014 had quite a lot of traffic just point to point i.e. 115,000 passengers. On a year round basis it will indeed be hard to fill on a round trip basis but with the right price to selected leisure destinations along with flexible fare purchase conditions, a lot of traffic poaching potential is there to be grabbed by EK.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting erikgrinsvall (Reply 20):
One reason; like most airlines do, I do suspect, that EK are keeping their fares from OSL to DXB lower then the other Scandinavian routes to get their route image growing and attracting more PAX. EK159/160 is still less than a year in operation, so once they pass their 1 year anniversary, you'll most likely start to see (or not) a gradual increase on pricing on fares; traditionally that is.

Sure, I'm aware that they are building up reputation and awareness in the Norwegian market. My concern is just that it might affect load-factors once they increase the prices to a 'normal' level after the introductory period, which means the loads at 55% in Y might drop even further.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:48 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 22):
My concern is just that it might affect load-factors once they increase the prices to a 'normal' level after the introductory period, which means the loads at 55% in Y might drop even further.

Sure, it is possible.

I reckon/guess that their fare increase will be implemented once the A388 commences services to CPH. As well, the A388 service will just be in time for the christmas rush, so I doubt there'll be too much difference from last years bookings, other than it being full. Also, once the christmas rush is over, i guess EK will have an indication whether their increase in fares had an impact on their loads or not. If so, I suppose they'll just keep servicing the B77L instead of the B77W if needed; which they do during some occasions already and, unless cargo is there...which most of the times there is.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:23 pm

Bangkok should be changed to the 2-class A380. I know an EK A380 cabin crew, she told me the first class to BKK is always empty to semi-empty, Business class is always full, all 76 seats are booked.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting erikgrinsvall (Reply 17):
EK159/160 / OSL are definitely picking up their loads, as they were struggling a bit in the beginning. But you'd find loads somewhere between Y - 55%, J - 40%, and F - 60%. F is definitely the most popular cabin.
(Cargo is a big revenue maker on these Scandinavian routes)

That's very high F load factor for OSL. What is the driver? All the oil traffic ?
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 25):

Take a look at the Norwegian GDP and purchasing power.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:38 am

and good news for the pax too.

I don't think anyone will miss that horrible 10-across seating on the 77W.

Still a little suprised they didn't go for higher frequency instead.
But then again, EK already has a fairly sized cargo operation at CPH with 77F, so they probably don't need the belly cargo capacity on the 77W.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:56 am

Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 24):
Business class is always full, all 76 seats are booked.

If that is the case, would it make economic sense to switch to the 2 cabin class version? If the seat configuration offers just 58 J seats, that's a lot of passengers missing out on a seat. At least with a partially full F cabin you can offer upgrades. Not many J passengers would prefer a downgrade to Y.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:03 am

Quoting ElanusNotatus (Reply 28):
f that is the case, would it make economic sense to switch to the 2 cabin class version? If the seat configuration offers just 58 J seats, that's a lot of passengers missing out on a seat. At least with a partially full F cabin you can offer upgrades. Not many J passengers would prefer a downgrade to Y.

Good point. Perhaps a yet another cabin configuration for BKK would make sense. Say with 100J/460Y.
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting ElanusNotatus (Reply 28):

If that is the case, would it make economic sense to switch to the 2 cabin class version? If the seat configuration offers just 58 J seats, that's a lot of passengers missing out on a seat. At least with a partially full F cabin you can offer upgrades. Not many J passengers would prefer a downgrade to Y.

It would if the yield in J is not so high. Not all J passengers are high yield passengers (you can get soemtimes a J fare which is sometimes marginally higher than a Y class fare).
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:14 pm

The upgauge on CPH is quite impressive, any prospects for increased frequency under the current Bilaterals?

BCN, IST, AMS and BHX coule be good candidates for a 2-class 388 of EK...
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:14 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Thread starter):
It will be with the new 615-seater A380 with 58J/557Y configuration.

On one hand, about time. On the other...   

Quoting Cipango (Reply 1):
Wow. Just let that sink in...

For routes that won't support first, this is a no-brainer.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6):
I was actually expecting MNL to be the first to receive the 615-seater A380 not least because EK was forced to cut one daily departure.

There are numerous routes ready.
LGW, BCN, IST, AMS, BHX, MNL, BKK (not exclusively 2-class, but maybe only triple 3-class service per day).  

If EK gains access to Chinese secondary cities, most would be a candidate for a 2-class A380.
Pretty much any European city that sees 2 77Ws per day but doesn't fill both F class.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 29):
Good point. Perhaps a yet another cabin configuration for BKK would make sense. Say with 100J/460Y.

I think BKK will be managed with a high quantity of flights. There has to be at least one time that isn't filling F and J and thus this new configuration would make more sense.


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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting arn777 (Reply 26):

But if Norwegian purchasing power is the case, the J LF should be high too. The strangeness here is that only F is strong but J is weak, which is somewhat counterintuitive
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:30 pm

Do routes typically see fare increase once they're operated by an A380?
What about routes that are operated by a combination of A380 and 777s? Are the A380 flights more expensive?

And does anyone know where the bar will be located on the new 2-class A380s? I wonder if they will reposition it to the very front of the upper deck where there is so much extra and otherwise unusable space (e.g. the areas that currently are used for the showers).
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:26 am

Quoting AT (Reply 34):
And does anyone know where the bar will be located on the new 2-class A380s?

Amazing what a marketing gimmick EK has with the bar on the A380. Bars on other aircraft have not created the 'buzz' the bar on the EK A380 has. Why? My non-aviation friends know about the bar. How did EK market it so well? If I ask my non-aviation friends about bars on other aircraft, they only know about ones they have personally experienced and EK's A380 bar.



Quoting AT (Reply 34):
I wonder if they will reposition it to the very front of the upper deck where there is so much extra and otherwise unusable space (e.g. the areas that currently are used for the showers).

A good plan. I'm curious as to where its moved as in the words of Clark:
Emirates president Tim Clark says, he has had to sacrifice six premium seats, but declares, “It’s the most popular thing we’ve ever done. They have a real party down there.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/busin...ional-airport-emirates-airbus-a380





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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:40 am

EK got the Europeans on their back. Basically Europe is starting to outsource flying now. We build the airplanes. Cheap labor and accommodating governments can fly them. The trend continues.
Any other discussion about this and that is just futile. Change is happening before your eyes.
 
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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:24 am

Link mentioning Bar will be kept:
It’s believed the business class cabin will be downsized from 76 seats to just 58, with a whopping 557 passengers in economy, although the business class bar on the upper deck will remain.

Emirates president Tim Clark confirmed the move at a press conference in Copenhagen today, where he announced that the first of the two-class A380s would debut on the Dubai-Copenhagen route from December 1.



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RE: EK Upgrades CPH To A380 From December 1, 2015

Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:00 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 33):
But if Norwegian purchasing power is the case, the J LF should be high too. The strangeness here is that only F is strong but J is weak, which is somewhat counterintuitive

But the number of J seats out of OSL has increased quite a lot the past years and especially on intercontinental flights and EK have just started to build their market. It will take a few more months to fill all these seats. EK is the only carrier offering F to OSL in addition it is only 8 F seats to fill.

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