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United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:29 am

I was watching the video below and am a bit confused. If this is the first UA 727 which would have first entered service around 1964, why is it still painted this way? United ditched this scheme in 1974 I believe and it would have been repainted. Even if UA did retire it before 1974 which I doubt was the case, wouldn't a 10 year old 727 in the mid seventies have found a new home at another airline? Also, I doubt it was restored to this scheme because this is the dirtiest airplane I have ever seen and a restored aircraft would not have been flown enough again to get this dirty. I am hoping someone knows this history of this aircraft and can explain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrDVcPHrWVE
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:36 am

This aircraft is N7001U, which is currently at the Museum of Flight Restoration Center in Seattle. It has been there since the 90s I believe. I'm not totally sure if the paint scheme it has was on when it was given to the Museum or if they repainted it.

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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:39 am

They can't repaint a whole fleet over night. Look how long it took to repaint the battleship grey fleet.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting 777DFW (Reply 1):
This aircraft is N9001U

I think you mean N7001U.

That aircraft was repainted in the 1960s paint scheme while still at UAL in anticipation of its retirement and donation to the Museum of Flight. As it did operate in that paint scheme before donation, it makes it the first ever "retrojet".
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:45 am

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 2):
They can't repaint a whole fleet over night. Look how long it took to repaint the battleship grey fleet.

I know but they were done painting them by the early 1980s if not way before and even had United retired it before the early 80s, wouldn't someone else have picked it up back then?
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 3):

That aircraft was repainted in the 1960s paint scheme while still at UAL in anticipation of its retirement and donation to the Museum of Flight. As it did operate in that paint scheme before donation, it makes it the first ever "retrojet".

Makes sense now, thanks! When was that and how long did United fly it for after it was repainted?
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:00 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 5):
When was that and how long did United fly it for after it was repainted?

It was donated to the Museum of Flight in January 1991. There was a thread on this site in the past year or so that mentioned for how long it flew in that paint scheme before it was donated ... but I can't find it now. Maybe your "search" skills are better than mine.
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:56 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 3):
As it did operate in that paint scheme before donation, it makes it the first ever "retrojet".

Careful there longhauler......According to the purists on this site, only planes that never wore a particular livery can be a "retrojet." This one is considered a repaint.
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:22 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 5):
uoting longhauler (Reply 3):

That aircraft was repainted in the 1960s paint scheme while still at UAL in anticipation of its retirement and donation to the Museum of Flight. As it did operate in that paint scheme before donation, it makes it the first ever "retrojet".

Makes sense now, thanks! When was that and how long did United fly it for after it was repainted?

2/9/63 First Flight Boeing House Colors Yellow/Red Scheme
6/10/64 Delivery in Stars and Bars
??? at least by 1983 it was in the rainbow livery
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:23 am

It was in the red,orange,and blue scheme before repaint in the scheme it is in now.The present scheme was not around long before being slightly modified be removing the shield from the stripe.It was the first 727 built,but remained at Boeing with the test program until October 1964.The first 727 to enter scheduled service was N8107N of Eastern in February 1964.
There are a few photos of N7001U in the database.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:33 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 8):
6/10/64 Delivery in Stars and Bars

Stars and Bars was its third paint scheme at United.

It was delivered in this scheme:

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Which was altered slightly to this scheme:

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Then it was painted in the stars and bars:

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Current to the day, it was painted in this paint scheme, which is what it wore up until it was repainted in its delivery paint scheme for donation back to the museum:

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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:14 am

It flew a revenue flight from SF to SEA after it was repainted, then donated.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:22 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 10):
Stars and Bars was its third paint scheme at United

You beat me to it. I had just copied the photo ID's of the same pictures.

When United repainted it for delivery to the Museum of Flight I was surprised by the "odd" paint job on the nose. (the white didn't dip at the front, and the gold stripe just stopped by the door. I looked at a couple of books that I have on United and 727's (BOOKS - remember those!) and sure enough that's the way it was, I also have a picture of N7003U with the same design, while an early picture of N7006U has the United emblem back above the blue stripe, but still no dip in the white around the nose. Rather odd since everything else in service at the time was standard. The only other picture I can find with the blue stripe broken at the front with the UA emblem is of a DC-8 54F that was also delivered in early 1964.

Here's a picture at the MoF dated 2013 that looks like it gets washed occasionally!


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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:32 pm

Some history on the airplane. Bob Bogashs website:

http://rbogash.com/727adopt.html
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:29 pm

United Airlines has donated a number of aircraft over the years to various museums of science and industry. There is a Douglas DC-8-51 (N8066U) in Los Angeles and a Boeing 727-22 (N7017U) in Chicago.

For an entertaining video of the Boeing 727's arrival at Chicago Meigs Field go to Youtube. After a couple of low passes over the airport, the United captain makes his triumphant and historic approach to the very short 4,000 foot runway on an admittedly windy-looking day. The flaps are set at the 40-degree detent and the aircraft rolls on approach in the blustery conditions as he tries to nail Vref and plant his main gear as close to the threshold as possible. And plant it he does before the assembled throng of news media and local dignitary, as the 727's arrival is registered on the earthquake monitors out at Dr. Lucy Jones' Cal-Tech seismic lab in Pasadena, California.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:34 pm

The Museum's intention now is to restore N7001U back to airworthiness and fly it from PAE to BFI after the large cover is in place
...it's final resting place. N7001U will take the place of the AA 727-200 that had been donated to the Museum. However,
I don't think the Museum has made the decision on what do with the AA 727. Initially, it was planned to be scrapped.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:49 pm

also N7304U donated to San Jose state, 737-222 N9022U sent to Purdue.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 16):
also N7304U donated to San Jose state, 737-222 N9022U sent to Purdue.

You have a wrong registration number for the a/c donated to San Jose State---it was N7015U which sadly has now been scrapped; but it was displayed there for many years
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 4):
wouldn't someone else have picked it up back then?

This aircraft was operated by United continuously until it was donated to the museum - no other airlines operated this aircraft after United.

It was a "one owner" deal.

During the late-80's and early-80's, it was titled "The Spirit of Seattle" while flying for UA.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:04 pm

I saw N7001U around Thanksgiving 1990 still in the rainbow colors

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
N7001U will take the place of the AA 727-200 that had been donated to the Museum. However,
I don't think the Museum has made the decision on what do with the AA 727. Initially, it was planned to be scrapped

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I'm confused...are both 727 at the same museum?
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:13 pm

AA 727 is at the main museum complex at Boeing Field

N7001U is at the museums restoration facility at Paine Field. Plan is, and has been for some time as I understand, to restore it and fly it down to Boeing Field.

Both are part of the Museum of Flight.

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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:42 pm

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 9):
was the first 727 built,but remained at Boeing with the test program until October 1964.The first 727 to enter scheduled service was N8107N of Eastern in February 1964.

It's interesting that the first 727 went into airline service but Boeing kept the 2nd, registered N72700. #2 is often confused with #1 due to that registration. Both N7001U and N72700 wore the Boeing yellow and brown livery during the test program which also made it easier to confuse them.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:31 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 17):
You have a wrong registration number for the a/c donated to San Jose State---it was N7015U which sadly has now been scrapped; but it was displayed there for many years

It could be, We gave 1 to the SFO fire department for fire training 1 to SJ State. I'm happy about it because My Daughter got her A&p and Her Degree while that airplane was there. Luckily I did NOT have to work on it
as I had already obtained my A&P 15 years before I got my Degree. Most of the rest we sold to FedEx and later the majority if the 727-222's and 727- 222Adv..
FedEx does love matched Cockpits.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 22):

The plane at SfO was N7002U which was line number 3. It was replaced last year by an ANA 767 then scrapped.

FedEx did not buy any UA 722s and never operated any.
 
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RE: United's First 727

Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:37 pm

As an aside, UA donated a 727 to Chicago's "Museum of Science and Industry". It arrived in Chicago wearing Saul Bass' scheme but was repainted in the "Stars and Bars" livery.

Here's a youtube on the aircrafts arrival at Meigs Field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks
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