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What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:13 pm

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What's Going On In CLE - Part 9 (by American 767 Jan 26 2015 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:15 pm

On Enilria's weekly OAG list, not a single change on any airline for CLE! (thought I'd inaugurate Part 10.)
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 1):
On Enilria's weekly OAG list, not a single change on any airline for CLE! (thought I'd inaugurate Part 10.)

Likely a sign that the "dust is starting to settle" at CLE in the wake of UA's drawdown. After JetBlue starts FLL and BOS on April 30 and Spirit's new flight to ATL on May 7, there will be no more "coming soon" flights from CLE (for the time being). It sure has been an interesting 12 months at CLE with new changes happening almost every other week.

We'll probably start to see a few new routes announced for winter 15/16 travel in the coming months. I still think a seasonal MSY flight on NK or F9 would do well. And as for WN, there's always handful of destinations they could reasonably add with their next schedule extension.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:35 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 2):
We'll probably start to see a few new routes announced for winter 15/16 travel in the coming months. I still think a seasonal MSY flight on NK or F9 would do well. And as for WN, there's always handful of destinations they could reasonably add with their next schedule extension.

DL to SLC would be a plus for the ski season!

Also, we never heard anymore about Ricky Smith's "one more airline" comment.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:33 am

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 3):
Also, we never heard anymore about Ricky Smith's "one more airline" comment.

I wonder if it could be OneJet, which is being talked about in this thread:

OneJet Possible Routes, IND To PIT? (by crazytoaster Apr 13 2015 in Civil Aviation)

If OneJet decides on a bunch of Beech 400's, or better yet Nextant 400's, the Nextant version is made in Cleveland. They wouldn't have to go far for maintenance. Nextant at CGF is a sister company of Constant at CLE
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:28 pm

^Maybe. But hopefully its BA.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 5):
But hopefully its BA.

BA would be spectacular, but OneJet to ALB, RIC, CVG, SDF, IND, MSN, PVD, MCI, etc. would make a LOT of Cleveland road warriors happy and is probably more likely.

With oil in the $60 region, OneJet's economics look pretty possible.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:44 pm

^Does OneJet have the equipment to do meaningful frequencies, say 3-4x, to all those cites?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:25 pm

At the moment OneJet has one wet-leased Beech400A, flyng one r/t Monday thru Thursday on IND-MKE-IND. Their plans are to fly between medium sized cities not more than 600 or so miles apart offering only full Y fares (about $1 per mile). They have not discussed frequency or much else.

The 400A has a nominal 7-9 passenger capacity, but it's max range payload is only 600-700 lbs. Luggage (even carry ons) will be a problem unless they limit the capacity to four or five pax and limit routes to 500-600 nm or less.

I suspect the initial IND-MKE operation is a proof-of-concept test and if they meet expectations they will expand as quickly as possible. A used Beech400A goes for about half a million, so their test is not risking much.

What's promising about OneJet is the array of experienced airline talent that is on their board and management staff. These aren't a couple of 30 year old dreamers with a spare million in capital.

The PIT airport authority has [said? leaked?] that they are on OneJet's list of possible destinations. If PIT's on the list, I'm sure CLE is, too.

The thread I cited has more info.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:33 pm

At what point will CLE address the parking crunch at the airport and need for a new garage? Just a few years ago when the 40 year old deck was demolished, airport officials cited that the remaining spaces were still sufficient to meet the airport's peak demand days. I guess they couldn't foresee the huge surge in originating CLE traffic with a hub dismantle. We are not anywhere close to peak summer travel and the lots are consistently filled up to capacity. By summer this could end up being quite a problem.

A short term solution might be to raise parking rates again (they went up quite a bit last year) to hopefully send more pax to off site lots. I'm not sure what the status of the proposed multi million dollar check in renovation is, but it seems if CLE wants to keep the O&D growth they are seeing, the parking problem needs to be addressed ASAP.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 9):
At what point will CLE address the parking crunch at the airport and need for a new garage? Just a few years ago when the 40 year old deck was demolished, airport officials cited that the remaining spaces were still sufficient to meet the airport's peak demand days. I guess they couldn't foresee the huge surge in originating CLE traffic with a hub dismantle. We are not anywhere close to peak summer travel and the lots are consistently filled up to capacity. By summer this could end up being quite a problem.

A short term solution might be to raise parking rates again (they went up quite a bit last year) to hopefully send more pax to off site lots. I'm not sure what the status of the proposed multi million dollar check in renovation is, but it seems if CLE wants to keep the O&D growth they are seeing, the parking problem needs to be addressed ASAP.

I agree. I also have said many times give some one a free 30 year lease on the land and you will get the parking deck built instantly and take $xx per day per day from the rate as rent. If there is a desire, there is a way. May not be the best way, but if you want something quick and to ride the surge CLE is having getting back to old levels, you better not turn customers away with parking issues. Ricky Smith knows all this as he sees it when he drives in every morning.

Where's he been? Pretty quite at CLE lately.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:38 pm

Re: Cleveland Hopkins airport parking crunch. Somewhere over at the Mayfield Cemetery the late Ted Bonda must be turning over in his grave.

When the Plain Dealer first reported that the parking structure was going to be demolished due to its age and a surplus of parking at the airport, many people must have been skeptical of the explanation. But when the PD described the forty-year-old multi-level parking structure's original purpose as a temporary parking garage, there must have been more warning chimes set-off than a Boeing 747-400 flying through volcanic ash.

This was clearly a case of restricting parking supple to increase parking rates and the systolic of everyone attempting to use the Hopkins lots.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 11):
Ted Bonda must be turning over in his grave.

Now there's a name I haven't heard in awhile! Right there with Nick Mileti
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:33 pm

Today's OAG thread (thanks, enilria) says CLE-SFO goes down to 1.2 dailias in September. What actually happens is the route is reduced to a single daily flight until the last weekend of the month when it goes back to double daily.

September is a traffic valley.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:46 am

AS Starting BNA CHS RDU.

Doesn't bode to well for those of us who were hoping for AS in CLE.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:21 pm

As long as F9 flies a daily CLE-SEA between April and September, you're likely not going to see a second carrier on this route. But, with that said, F9 should really stimulate this market. I'd imagine that the PDEW for CLE-SEA will see tremendous growth this q2 and q3, such that if F9 doesn't fly this in the future, AS or DL will have a nice established market to pick up.

As for stimulating demand, CLE-LAS now sees about 5 daily flights on 4 carriers. I wouldn't be shocked if LAS becomes CLE's number one destination at some point this year, beating out ORD and LGA.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:14 pm

^But surely there is a limit to demand from demand stimulation, no? NY and CHI have substantial business ties to CLE, whereas LAS is mostly leisure. Is there a good study out there on stimulating demand and its effects and limits?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:15 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 14):
AS Starting BNA CHS RDU.

Doesn't bode to well for those of us who were hoping for AS in CLE.

I remain cautiously optimistic... I haven't flown F9 since their ULCC transformation and plan to avoid doing so... I hope to see more cities as OO grows their number of E175s, hopefully AS will take more of those and free up some 737s for places like CLE. I am sort of surprised to see BNA, CHS, and RDU over CLE but maybe F9 will flake out and leave a decent market for AS.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 16):

^But surely there is a limit to demand from demand stimulation, no? NY and CHI have substantial business ties to CLE, whereas LAS is mostly leisure. Is there a good study out there on stimulating demand and its effects and limits?


I think we are seeing that play out right now. The O&D growth at CLE is likely more on the leisure side than business as leisure is much more price sensitive than the business side. So it wouldn't surprise me if the O&D growth is favored towards more leisure destinations (LAS and Florida) than established business markets (NYC). The leisure routes are also seeing huge fare reductions that are driving demand with extra capacity by the ULCC carriers.

4th quarter fare data was released this morning and CLE saw the biggest fare decrease of the top 100 U.S. Airports with a 10.6% reduction in fares for 4th quarter 14 compared to 13. Of course this isn't with NK or B6 in the mix yet. 1st and 2nd quarter 2015 fares should plummet further. CLE dropped all the way down to 36 (after consistently being in the top 10 for years) most expensive airport by average fare. Fares at CLE in the 4th quarter were on par with PIT and CMH (CLE was only a few dollars more expensive). This should help CLE in retaining more O&D in the far reaches of their catchment area.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:39 pm

At the morning Spirit earnings conference call for Q1, execs said the were "happy" with the spool-up of the seven new CLE routes and that traffic was "meeting expectations", words that do not normally indicate wild enthusiasm. CEO Ben Baldanza then emphasized that they set high expectations.

Meanwhile, they reported an almost 10% RASM drop, causing the stock to be down about $7.30 at the moment. Baldanze emphasized that they *knew* RASM would be down because of startup expenses and problems in DFW, and that their margin expanded, i.e. while RASM was down, CASM was down even more. The market, however, is unforgiving.

Edit: FWIW, I just sold some $65 June puts. I think the market is over-reacting as it always seems to do. We'll see how my horse does in this race.  Wink

[Edited 2015-04-29 09:44:36]
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:49 pm

Does anyone here have experience flying on Spirit? I'm going to give them a try at some point but am curious about the experiences of others. They seem to be relatively on-time, especially when compared to Frontier! I find the a-la-carte way to fly an interesting concept. One of their options that I'm curious about is "The Big Front Seat", which may not be worth the extra $ if just going to MYR, but may be well worth it if going to LAX.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:39 pm

Quoting chrisjake (Reply 20):
One of their options that I'm curious about is "The Big Front Seat", which may not be worth the extra $ if just going to MYR, but may be well worth it if going to LAX.

I've flown Spirit and more recently on a new aircraft. I'd recommend the Emergency Exit Row seat. It was sold significantly cheaper than a Big Front Seat, while still offering ample leg room. Aside from the legroom, I was surprised to feel that seat itself was more comfortable than a Southwest seat.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:57 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 21):
I'd recommend the Emergency Exit Row seat.

good to know. Thanks!



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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:11 pm

"We see a bright future with great opportunities in Cleveland. We originally announced one route, Boston to Cleveland, but immediately noticed demand was so strong for JetBlue by Northeast Ohio travelers that we shortly after decided to add a Fort Lauderdale to Cleveland flight. ..." said Dave Clark, vice president, network planning, JetBlue.

That's putting a cheery face on Spirit retaliation.  

Randomly trying a few dates for seat availability, both BOS and FLL loads are looking pretty good while introductory fares in being offered.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting chrisjake (Reply 20):

I just flew Spirit for the first time last week and I was pleasantly surprised. On time, clean jet, good crew. I went in the big front seats; can't say I'd recommend doing it any other way. Much, much better than my last F9 trip, though. They even refunded my checked bag fees when I had to change flights, something F9 refused to do.

That said, fly jetBlue 

By the way; anyone at B6 have an idea what CLE's load factors look like? I hope they're off to a good start.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:23 pm

Checking the JetBlue website to see the status of the new CLE flights today, I couldn't help but notice that CLE-FLL departed over an hour late and from gate A-11? Is that a mistake, were they unable to use C-4?

I wish them the best at CLE. It does seem that CLE-BOS will be much more competitive than first thought with UA aggressively price matching and NK offering round trips at bargain basement fares.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:27 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 25):
Checking the JetBlue website to see the status of the new CLE flights today, I couldn't help but notice that CLE-FLL departed over an hour late and from gate A-11? Is that a mistake, were they unable to use C-4?

I think the BOS flight was delayed and, despite having only three flights a day, JetBlue found themselves suddenly needing 2 gates. I believe A-11 is an active 'common-use' gate and so was available for one-time use.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Why is UA fighting Jet Blue on BOS?
1) BOS is a much bigger market and clearly Jet Blue wins the loyalty game in BOS over UA.
2) JetBlue has a product that is so superior it's not even close
3) CLE is not even a hub for UA and they've been dropping routes like flies
4) On those little 50 seaters, UA's cost structure just can't be competitive at the new lower fare level.
5) granted, OK I'm not in the majority but I'm so upset about who UA took advantage of Clevelanders with an under-seated and over priced market to BOS for years and years. NOW they add a fifth frequency? Hmmmm. UA won't be getting my business.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:48 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 27):
Why is UA fighting Jet Blue on BOS?

Why wouldn't they? They've clearly had the market cornered for a while, so they're supposed to suddenly leave?

The first departure doesn't get to BOS till 11:15am, clearly not ideal for the typical business traveler, on that alone I'd say UA has a huge advantage. Let's see 2 choices, or 5?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:00 pm

I wonder how long United will maintain their 5x daily CLE-BOS flights, especially considering it's on the 50 seaters. From a few dummy bookings it does look like UA is attempting to route pax STL-CLE-BOS and MKE-CLE-BOS, so that could help fill the planes up.

What's also impressive is that WN is going up to 2x daily this summer on CAK-BOS. That's more seats than UA is offering from CLE and more seats than B6. Throw in a daily NK flight and surely there's going to be an airline that just can't make it work.

Look at DFW from CLE. You had UA, AA, F9, and NK all competing on a route that experienced double capacity from the year prior. 2 carriers quickly exited the market after a few months.

The question becomes, if UA exits the market, does B6 add capacity back or do they just raise fares like UA did for years.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 29):

I've never seen jetBlue price gouge like UAL. They might raise fares a little, but we'll never see 500-900$ to BOS again, especially not with Spirit in the mix too. JetBlue has always been reasonably priced.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:31 pm

Their jet bridge broke, that's why they were over at A.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:44 pm

According to an article at cleveland.com, the EVP of jetBlue stated that future expansion targets would be MCO, SJU, JFK and LGB. He also stated that "early bookings are strong" and that Cleveland broke all sales record for a new B6 city.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde...etblue_airways_launches_cleve.html
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:04 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 32):

According to an article at cleveland.com, the EVP of jetBlue stated that future expansion targets would be MCO, SJU, JFK and LGB. He also stated that "early bookings are strong" and that Cleveland broke all sales record for a new B6 city.

Well, that's just great if it comes through! Good airline with stable service compared to NK and F9. The kind of airline CLE should be courting.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Fri May 01, 2015 3:07 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 9):
At what point will CLE address the parking crunch at the airport and need for a new garage?

At what point will you stop expecting to store your two-ton monstrosity there on a long-term basis and instead consider to take public transportation? CLE must be one of the few medium-size airports privileged enough to have a full, heavy-rail (subway) link directly to it. Use it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/RTA_Airport_Station.JPG/1024px-RTA_Airport_Station.JPG  
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Fri May 01, 2015 3:09 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 25):
Checking the JetBlue website to see the status of the new CLE flights today, I couldn't help but notice that CLE-FLL departed over an hour late and from gate A-11? Is that a mistake, were they unable to use C-4?

Rough first day....C4 broke after the inaugural FLL-CLE flight had arrived and parked at the gate. It had to be towed, passengers still onboard, all the way around the banjo to A-11. The evening BOS-CLE-BOS flight departed from A-11 as well.
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Fri May 01, 2015 3:55 am

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 34):

You realize that's hugely inconvenient for anyone in the south or west suburbs right? And that your car will get broken into while you're gone if you do leave it in an RTA lot?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Fri May 01, 2015 4:13 am

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 34):

Yeah, never ever would I leave my car overnight in an RTA lot and I drive a 7 year old Kia....that rail link is great to get downtown for a visitor to the city, but it does not substitute for on site parking for locals.
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Fri May 01, 2015 4:18 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 36):
You realize that's hugely inconvenient for anyone in the south or west suburbs right? And that your car will get broken into while you're gone if you do leave it in an RTA lot?

Ok, sorry to know that... .... That's really unfortunate then....  
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Fri May 01, 2015 10:26 am

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 34):

At what point will you stop expecting to store your two-ton monstrosity there on a long-term basis and instead consider to take public transportation? CLE must be one of the few medium-size airports privileged enough to have a full, heavy-rail (subway) link directly to it. Use it.


The rail link is a great asset and I've used it several times, unfortunately it's designed primarily for visitors coming to the city versus locals reaching the airport.

In addition, it is illegal to park at the train station parking lots overnight, except for 12 designated spaces at the Brookpark parking lot, making use of this airport service impossible for many. So unless you are a day worker at the airport or have a quick day trip in and out, the rail line isn't going to work for 90%+ of the airport's originating traffic. And with only 12 spaces available at the train station for airport parking for those who want to use it, it's pretty much a joke. If the transit authority opened up more available spaces for overnight parking and offered security at these lots, it would be viable option, but that's not likely to happen in the near future.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sat May 02, 2015 7:21 pm

Delta seems to be adding small increments of capacity to CLE-ATL, sub-ing A319/A320 for 717's on an ad hoc basis. I looked at close in flights and it wasn't clear if they were matching NK and F9 fares.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sun May 03, 2015 12:39 pm

How many seats per typical weekday, per Saturday, and per Sunday are there into CLE right now? For a big conference like the RNC meeting in 2016, how is that handled by airlines? Do they just cut back on service on other routes, and add capacity on existing routes or add new temporary routes to CLE? And for how long before and after the event do these extra runs remain? Would anyone add some BKL routes, like AA DCA-BKL?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Sun May 03, 2015 8:08 pm

Now that 4th quarter data has been released, we can easily see the large O&D growth out of CLE's top largest airport pairs:

Airport - 4th Quarter 2013 traffic - 4th Quarter 2014 traffic - % change
ORD 752 779 3.64%
MCO 503 775 54.13%
LAS 508 666 30.97%
LGA 728 642 -11.80%
ATL 404 541 33.94%
LAX 579 538 -7.09%
DEN 390 523 34.03%
PHX 360 490 36.35%
TPA 308 488 58.30%
DFW 341 477 39.64%
FLL 322 474 46.97%
RSW 267 450 68.67%
SFO 444 431 -2.82%
MDW 441 399 -9.63%
BWI 488 391 -19.77%
BNA 378 326 -13.90%
EWR 377 308 -18.22%
BOS 284 308 8.37%
IAH 300 297 -0.72%
MSP 264 266 0.86%
RDU 150 213 42.61%
PHL 190 201 5.80%
STL 115 190 65.53%

Adding up these 23 airports, average daily O&D for the 4th quarter went from 8,892 to 10,174 or an overall 14.4% increase in O&D from CLE's top 23 airport pairs.

Clearly, the leisure markets are winning with that O&D growth from fare stimulation. It's interesting that O&D to the WN focus cities decreased, despite WN growing in overall PAX in CLE. WN must be selling a lot more connections through those hubs. Note the huge growth in CLE-STL traffic, that's without any new carrier entering that market. STL seems like a pretty safe add by WN in the not too distant future.

Also of note, RDU overtook PHL in terms of average daily pax for the 4th quarter.

New York City bound traffic also declined pretty heavily again and this would have included F9's brief 8 week service to LGA.

I'd imagine these quarterly year over year comparisons for 1st quarter 2015 and 2nd quarter 2015 will look even healthier with Spirit and jetBlue in the mix.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon May 04, 2015 2:27 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 42):
Note the huge growth in CLE-STL traffic, that's without any new carrier entering that market. STL seems like a pretty safe add by WN in the not too distant future.

Pardon my ignorance, I have only lived in NE Ohio for a few years. Are there some business ties to Cleveland ant Saint Louis that I don't know about? It seems like that city has been brought up in these threads before and I'm just wondering why the traffic there over lets say, Kansas City.

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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon May 04, 2015 11:18 am

What stands out to me is the drop in Laguardia and Newark. What the heck, have fares been jacked up like crazy? Yeah OK CAK has cheaper service to LGA but they have for a long time, this is nothing new.

Also, I'm quite surprised seeing RDU with a high count. Talk about a market with lousy service from CLE. For some reason PIT and CVG have multiple dailies to RDU yet CLE is sporadic, not even daily service anymore.

And where's Milwaukee--- you're telling me UA in their shell of a focus city runs 3 flights a day for a city with fewer passengers than RDU? That doesn't add up. . . . .
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Mon May 04, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 32):
the EVP of jetBlue stated that future expansion targets would be MCO, SJU, JFK and LGB.

Hate to contradict an EVP, but I wonder if CLE-NAS with an E190 might work on weekends, since UA has apparently lost interest in the route. It would require some marketing, which B6 is good at.

OTOH, JetBlue seems in no hurry to expand their operations in PIT or DTW.
 
greenair727
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed May 06, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting SWACLE:
Rough first day....C4 broke after the inaugural FLL-CLE flight had arrived and parked at the gate. It had to be towed, passengers still onboard, all the way around the banjo to A-11. The evening BOS-CLE-BOS flight departed from A-11 as well.

Its been a few days now. Has B6 worked out all the issues and now operating 'normally'? How are the loads?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Wed May 06, 2015 7:27 pm

It's not airline related, but it is CLE related.....

Last night at approx. 2215 I watched a KC-10 refueling tanker do 3 "option" missed approaches to runway 6L. Its callsign was Mover 25, which comes out of KWRI and the 305th Air Mobility Wing. After his 3rd missed approach he was cleared back to KWRI.

Not something one normally sees at CLE, and a very cool sight!
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu May 07, 2015 12:36 pm

^Does that mean three intentional missed approaches? Is it a mobility exercise? Why do it over Cleveland? Or was it a training for CLE tower operations?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 10

Thu May 07, 2015 2:08 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 48):
^Does that mean three intentional missed approaches? Is it a mobility exercise? Why do it over Cleveland? Or was it a training for CLE tower operations?

Yes, 3 intentional missed approaches. For all I know it was more and I just caught the last 3. I was listening in to ATC and it definitely was not training for CLE tower. It was status quo for them. After the low approach to 6L the KC-10 was cleared to 4,000' and vectored to the west for the other approaches. On their final approach they were cleared on a 095 heading back to KWRI.

No idea why it was done at CLE - but it sure was fun to watch!

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