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Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:07 pm

Looks like Delta agreed to buy 5 757s from someone...who could it be? Presumably PW-powered.

From their recent 10-Q: "At March 31, 2015 , future aircraft purchase commitments totaled approximately $13.6 billion and included 63 B-737-900ER, 45 A321-200, 25 A330-900neo, 25 A350-900, 18 B-787-8, 10 A330-300, 5 B-757-200 and 3 B-717-200 aircraft."
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:09 pm

Any news on the source of these aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:10 pm

Presumably they would have to be pretty new frames, maybe some of the last off the line or why else take them on if you are already parking older frames? Does AA still have more of the TW birds that DL didn't take in the original purchase?
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:13 pm

It's been mentioned several times in the Delta Fleet Updates thread that they are coming from Shanghai Airlines. Some of the last 757s off the line.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:21 pm

includes ln 1050, last one built delivered to Shanghai b 2005, and yes with PW

Quoting simairlinenet (Thread starter):
5 B-757-200 and 3 B-717-200 aircraft."

These 3 from Blue 1 will bring the 717 fleet up to 91 including the 88 delivered/process of being delivered under the Southwest/Boeing sublease. IIRC there are another 24 or maybe 27 to be delivered between now and the end of the year on the Southwest transaction, but as best as I can tell they are coming in at rate of about 3 per month.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 3):
It's been mentioned several times in the Delta Fleet Updates thread that they are coming from Shanghai Airlines. Some of the last 757s off the line.

Many thanks for the news.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:23 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Thread starter):
Looks like Delta agreed to buy 5 757s from someone..

Key question is what will DL use these aircraft for?

1. Replace older DL B757 aircraft?
2. Operate them on very specific DL domestic or international routes that require B757 only?
3. Is it an indication that the B757 is irreplaceable for certain markets?

Any one for the answer?
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:39 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 6):
1. Replace older DL B757 aircraft?
2. Operate them on very specific DL domestic or international routes that require B757 only?
3. Is it an indication that the B757 is irreplaceable for certain markets?

1. Yes, there are quite a few older 757s leaving the fleet this year and next. These will be indirect replacements since they are going into the 75S international fleet and not the domestic one.
2. They will be configured like the ex-TW aircraft, in an international configuration known as 75S. These are going to be ships 6819 through 6823 and are LNs 1044, 1045, 1046, 1049, 1050.
3. Not really. Right airplane, right price. Typical Delta move.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 6):
1. Replace older DL B757 aircraft?

That could be a possibility, because as it has been mentioned in one of the above replies, these are among the last 757s built which are only 10 years old. And Delta's oldest 757, when I say Delta I mean Northwest also, date from the mid 80s. So that makes a 20 year difference in age. And I'm sure that Delta's oldest 757s must have by now a high number of cyles, since they flew domestic runs only for a few years.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 6):
2. Operate them on very specific DL domestic or international routes that require B757 only?

Only routes I can think of are international TATL routes that are not heavily dense, for example JFK-LIS or JFK-AGP, or maybe JFK-GVA if Delta ever decides to open GVA as a new market in Europe. Because if you look at the 757 fleet that is being flown on domestic runs, those are mostly being taken over by the 739ER and eventually the A321 on routes not requiring a very long range,

Quoting factsonly (Reply 6):
3. Is it an indication that the B757 is irreplaceable for certain markets?

It's an indication that Delta is not pushing Boeing to come up with the perfect 757 replacement. It is also an indication that Delta doesn't want to get rid of the 757 that quickly.

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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 7):

Good to see that they are still 'committed' to the B787....

How is this related in any way?
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:44 pm

I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):

I would have to agree with you. I see them acquiring UA 753 fleet. Not to get off topic, but when may we begin to see M88 retirements or are they still committed to the flight deck upgrade.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:48 pm

DL will have 66 717s in the fleet by the end of April. The delivery rate is 3 per month from WN and might possibly be increased to 4 per month. I do not know when the 3 Blue 1 birds are to be delivered.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting UsAir737 (Reply 12):
I would have to agree with you. I see them acquiring UA 753 fleet. Not to get off topic, but when may we begin to see M88 retirements or are they still committed to the flight deck upgrade.

I'd be a little bit surprised to see UA sell the 753s but if they do--expect DL to pick them up despite having RR engines. TechOps can manage those just fine.

The M88s are sticking around for the foreseeable future. They are getting FMS upgrades and the Super98 airframe modification that is saving 2-3% fuel burn on reduced drag. The first aircraft is already in modification.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions.

Agreed. Delta's TechOps team has the capability to maintain these airplanes well into the next decade and with the number they have parked, they should have plenty of spare parts.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting UsAir737 (Reply 12):
I would have to agree with you. I see them acquiring UA 753 fleet

Unlikely, UA has more 753s than DL. And they're RR powered vs Pratt, if anything I see UA picking up the 753s still out there (all RR powered) with Thomas Cook, Condor, Icelandair etc.. to replace the 753 capacity on EWR-Florida which was reallocated to West Coast-Hawaii with the UA merger.

Keep in mind there are no other Pratt powered 753s out there. CO actually acquired 12 of theirs from ATA, so their management (many of whom are still with UA) have shown interest in acquiring second hand 753s in the past.

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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 7):
Good to see that they are still 'committed' to the B787

...well, all it really shows is that they still have it on their books, doesn't mean that that'll last. They could switch/modify them at any time.

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 10):
How is this related in any way?

The OP lists them as future aircraft commitments.............
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting UsAir737 (Reply 12):
I see them acquiring UA 753 fleet.

I doubt it. I think UA will run those into the ground too. I agree, though, that Delta would happily pick them up despite the RR engines if given the opportunity and the right price.

Quoting UsAir737 (Reply 12):
when may we begin to see M88 retirements

I'd guess the next narrowbody order will be a M88 replacement, and I'd expect the first frames to show up on property around 2020. Obviously just a guess, though. Even with the Super 98 mod the 88 is going to start looking pretty bad when neos and MAXes are flying in quantity.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 8):
LNs 1044, 1045, 1046, 1049, 1050.

This makes them 5 from Shanghai airlines. Some of the last, if not THE last frames off the production line.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757,

Not a bad bet considering they are some of the newest frames out there. All delivered 2004 if line numbers a re correct. They could still be in the air in the 30's.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:45 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 18):

They are getting the last frame off the line, 1050.

Will DL be putting winglets on these birds if they aren't already equipped?
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:45 pm

Delta sure love their second hand stuff.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Only routes I can think of are international TATL routes that are not heavily dense,

Delta flew the B757 on JFK-Dakar. At least it was the case in 2009 and in 2010. Is this route still served by the 757?
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions.

It's possible. The MD-90s and 717s will go beyond that; and it is DL... But I think late 2020s may be more likely for the 752s.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 13):
I do not know when the 3 Blue 1 birds are to be delivered.

Q4 2015.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 14):
The first aircraft is already in modification.

Out of mods and back in service.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 17):
I'd guess the next narrowbody order will be a M88 replacement, and I'd expect the first frames to show up on property around 2020. Obviously just a guess, though.

Guess again. Do you think DL will upgrade the FMS and install Super 98 mods fleet-wide, for only a two-year net gain?    The implementation timeline is 18 months and the payback period two years. Do the math.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 17):
Even with the Super 98 mod the 88 is going to start looking pretty bad when neos and MAXes are flying in quantity.

No different than a 752, really.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):
No different than a 752, really.

...the same 752 that's being phased out on routes the airline's newer equipment can fly.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):
Do you think DL will upgrade the FMS and install Super 98 mods fleet-wide, for only a two-year net gain?

If the payback period is two years, and the fleet will stay in service for four to six years after the implementation is complete (which would be my guess)... seems pretty obvious. I don't think operating M88s will be tenable anymore when neos/MAXes are common and ceo/NG resales bottom out. At that point it would make more sense to induct used A320s or 738s. The M88s will get restricted to shorter and shorter segments and by the early 2020s they'll have to disappear.

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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:05 pm

I know I'm off topic but does $13 Billion seem low for all the aircraft listed on order? That's 194 aircraft of which 78 are widebodies. I know customers receive massive discounts for large orders but that doesn't seem to even cover the Airbus widebodies on order. The 757s and 717s are second hand but they are only 8 of the total.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:06 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions.

It's possible. The MD-90s and 717s will go beyond that; and it is DL... But I think late 2020s may be more likely for the 752s.

One of my favorite quips that someone made on here a few years ago was that DL would probably fly the last 757 out to the desert and then fly the crew back on Douglas t-tailed twin jet.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting yenne09 (Reply 21):

Delta flew the B757 on JFK-Dakar. At least it was the case in 2009 and in 2010. Is this route still served by the 757?

Yes
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 24):
does $13 Billion seem low for all the aircraft listed on order?

Not particularly. Numbers are guesses but are somewhat well informed.

63 739 @ 35M = $2.2B
45 321 @ 40M = $1.8B
25 339 @ 115M = $2.9B
25 359 @ 160M = $3.8B
18 788 @ 110M = $2B
10 333 @ 90M = $0.9B
5 752, 3 712 = pocket change

Total = $13.6B
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:12 pm

Thanks for the information
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:15 pm

I think DELTA should pick 2-3 727-200's out of the desert, ya know, for OLD TIME SAKE!  
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:34 pm

Good news for spotters and 757 fans. It will be interesting to see if DL focus their efforts on eventually acquiring the six MF frames, which are also later builds.

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 18):
All delivered 2004 if line numbers a re correct. They could still be in the air in the 30's.

I'm afraid economies of scale may catch up to them as older frames cycle/time out.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 23):
...the same 752 that's being phased out on routes the airline's newer equipment can fly.

Right. So we're in agreement. As for the 10% of other routes, time will tell with the A321NEO-LR's performance numbers. One would have to assume later build aircraft (post 2025) will have even better performance than what Airbus is touting today.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 23):
If the payback period is two years, and the fleet will stay in service for four to six years after the implementation is complete (which would be my guess).

That would only be a net gain of 2-4 years. I'll drop it since its a 757 thread, but 4-6 after payback period is more realistic, IMO. And even that could be modest because a retirement schedule could span 4-5 years. (They will be parking at least 50 A320s and more 757s during that time).

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 23):
The M88s will get restricted to shorter and shorter segments and by the early 2020s they'll have to disappear.

All of this is possible (and inevitable), but I think you'll find the MD-88 as active type at DL in 2025. Albeit in a reduced role, eventually akin to the recent D95 fleet. And the later deliveries will be around the same age as the D95s were, so there is a precedent.


In any event, the takeaway from these recent moves is that the two long tenured workhorses (752 & MD-88) have not reached their swan song yet. Future purchases and mods are good news for enthusiasts and spotters alike.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:44 pm

Quoting yenne09 (Reply 21):
Delta flew the B757 on JFK-Dakar. At least it was the case in 2009 and in 2010. Is this route still served by the 757?

Yes it is still a 757. It's an 8-hour flight eastbound. That's Delta 416. Westbound, back to JFK it's a 9-hour flight. That's Delta 217. But those flights are twice weekly only.

JFK-DKR DL 416 it's Sat and Tue.
DKR-JFK DL 217 it's Sun and Wed.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:50 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):

I wouldn't go that far to say that, I'm sure they are going to be in service for a lot longer with African and possibly Iranian carriers. I'd be willing to bet they are going to be the last legacy carrier to operate them though.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:51 pm

All the negativity against the gold ol' 88!

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 30):
All of this is possible (and inevitable), but I think you'll find the MD-88 as active type at DL in 2025. Albeit in a reduced role, eventually akin to the recent D95 fleet. And the later deliveries will be around the same age as the D95s were, so there is a precedent.

The MD-88s are paid for and costs DL nothing to sit on the ground. That is a HUGE advantage.

See this thread for current aircraft lease rates: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2015 (by LAXintl Mar 31 2015 in Civil Aviation)

If we look at the 738 and 320, you'd be paying about $300,000 a MONTH in lease costs. With fuel at $3/gal, that's an 100K/gallons a month. I promise you the 88 doesn't burn that much more fuel than a 320 or 738. Not even close.

With the Super98 mod and FMS upgrades, the 88 is going to be fairly competitive within the 2-3 hour market for the foreseeable future. The NEOs won't change that since you're still going to be paying an extremely expensive lease.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:03 pm

Since there is nothing that can replace the 757 yet, I can see this happening. Delta is retiring old 757 and if they can replace them with slightly used 757's, at a reduced cost, then why not.

Now, are the two Monarch A330's leased or will Delta pick them up for cheap as well?

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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:13 pm

Just wondering... is there any airline in the world with a fleet as diverse as Delta's?
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Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:17 pm

UA has no plans or intentions of dumping the 753s so y'all might as well get that idea out of your heads. In fact I see us picking up some 753s from Thomas Cook or some other European charter airline.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:25 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 30):
I'm afraid economies of scale may catch up to them as older frames cycle/time out.

Perhaps, but at least the PW engines are also on the C-17s and the USAF will be flying them long beyond the airlines, keeping the economy of scale up for them. Beyond that, there are a lot of frames to rob in the bone yard.
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Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):

If United dumped them. If.


but Engines wont matter, they will ship them off to AA just like UA does now and Delta does with the T800s.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 37):

Perhaps, but at least the PW engines are also on the C-17s and the USAF will be flying them long beyond the airlines, keeping the economy of scale up for them. Beyond that, there are a lot of frames to rob in the bone yard.

and FX/5X will probably keep them as long or longer than Delta will.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:56 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions

Here is my 757 view.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:01 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 36):

Well, Westjet gives up there 757's from Thomas Cook this fall. They might as well drive them to Atlanta or to the desert.
 
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Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:40 am

Quoting winterlight (Reply 20):
Delta sure love their second hand stuff.

Delta likes the right airplane at the right price. They are VERY conservative about major cash outputs for depreciating aircraft. If a 10 year old 757 will do the job of a 739ER at a quarter of the price it is a no brainer.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:54 am

Xiamen air are also looking to drop their 757 fleet. Although a perfect size for the market, The 757 never worked in China because of the ATC restrictions were keeping their 757s at sub-optimal cruising altitude for most of their flights.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:15 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions.

There's no doubt DL will be the last major scheduled passenger operator of the 757 (outlived by only charter & third-world operators) - primarily because NW took delivery of a significant number of late model 757s and combined with DL's late deliveries, the fleet size is very large. These aircraft are about halfway through their useful life and the five aircraft being purchased are even younger. While they may not have the economics of a new 739 or 321, all five were acquired for the price of less than 2 new 739 or 321 (most likely) and DL has a seemingly infinite supply of parts.

At the end of the day, another solid business decision by DL. When you'll be operating more than 1,000 mainline aircraft (within the near future), unfortunately it's not practical to continually renew your fleet with only the newest aircraft.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:37 am

Like already mentioned, these purchases were talked about in the DL fleet refurbishment thread, and so there might be more details in there.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 41):
Delta likes the right airplane at the right price. They are VERY conservative about major cash outputs for depreciating aircraft. If a 10 year old 757 will do the job of a 739ER at a quarter of the price it is a no brainer.
Quoting compensateme (Reply 43):
At the end of the day, another solid business decision by DL. When you'll be operating more than 1,000 mainline aircraft (within the near future), unfortunately it's not practical to continually renew your fleet with only the newest aircraft.

Can't go without a couple posts like this in a thread about DL buying used aircraft.

The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day it may turn out to be the wrong decision instead. Buying aircraft a generation behind carries significant risk. It's difficult to forecast the end result. Although it's cheaper up front, the operating costs are higher, and you simply don't have the full lifespan of the airframe available to you before it's replaced again. Operating costs are tougher to forecast because they occur in the future. So this ownership/operating cost balance is an imperfect science that is subject to great success or regrettable failure. There's no way to know right now which way that pendulum will swing.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:08 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 44):
The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day it may turn out to be the wrong decision instead. Buying aircraft a generation behind carries significant risk. It's difficult to forecast the end result. Although it's cheaper up front, the operating costs are higher, and you simply don't have the full lifespan of the airframe available to you before it's replaced again. Operating costs are tougher to forecast because they occur in the future. So this ownership/operating cost balance is an imperfect science that is subject to great success or regrettable failure. There's no way to know right now which way that pendulum will swing.

...except that the operating economics of the 739 aren't that superior to the 757, and should fuel rise to cataphatic levels, neither type would be desirable. At least acquiring 10-year-old aircraft places DL in position to more readily renew its fleet when the next generation of aircraft come out.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
I would put $20 on Delta being the last passenger operator of the 757, and more on the 75S and 753 fleets being the last Delta 757s in service. I think they will fly until around 2030 on transcon and thin international missions.

I am on your team.
And then we will have "when will Delta retire its 757's" endless threads.

I wonder when will DL cancel its 787 order and what will replace that...

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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:22 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 44):

The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day it may turn out to be the wrong decision instead. Buying aircraft a generation behind carries significant risk. It's difficult to forecast the end result. Although it's cheaper up front, the operating costs are higher, and you simply don't have the full lifespan of the airframe available to you before it's replaced again. Operating costs are tougher to forecast because they occur in the future. So this ownership/operating cost balance is an imperfect science that is subject to great success or regrettable failure. There's no way to know right now which way that pendulum will swing.

We do know what way it is working now, DL continues to improve their Balance Sheet and their profitability is market leading.

Take a downturn in the economy or an uptick in Oil. They have many options (reduce flying, park the 'old' birds, etc) and even more important, a healthy balance sheet and low debt. All of these airlines taking their shinny new jets have payments to make. Look back to previous downturns, these 'new' jets will be parked, airlines will trim capacity, deja vu all over again. This is when having cash and strong balance sheet is king, Delta can be an opportunistic buyer.

They also have a very efficient long haul fleet that is coming down the pipeline, funded/hedged/ by their fiscal / capital discipline & creativity with the narrow body fleet.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:52 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 31):
Yes it is still a 757. It's an 8-hour flight eastbound. That's Delta 416. Westbound, back to JFK it's a 9-hour flight. That's Delta 217. But those flights are twice weekly only.

JFK-DKR is 151 nm shorter than EWR-TXL.
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:25 am

Quoting compensateme (Reply 43):
all five were acquired for the price of less than 2 new 739 or 321

I'd bet it's around the price of one 739 or 321 at Delta rates. Maybe closer to 1.5 if you include the refurbishment they'll need to get to 75S standard.
 
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RE: Delta Buying 5 757-200s

Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:42 am

Quoting braniff722 (Reply 29):
I think DELTA should pick 2-3 727-200's out of the desert, ya know, for OLD TIME SAKE!

I agree, throw in a few L1011s as well

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