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Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:57 pm

Saw this breaking over twitter. Apparently Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL lost cabin pressure and diverted to Buffalo (BUF). Early reports say cabin door failure is the cause and several passengers lost consciousness.

http://www.wkbw.com/news/cabin-door-...buffalo-several-lose-consciousness

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S.../20150422/1420Z/KORD/KBUF/tracklog
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:00 pm

Apparently this post posted twice, mods please delete one of the posts or combine with the other poster. Thanks! Sorry for confusion!
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:06 pm

Wow, that is scary. Looks like the quickly got down to below 11,000 feet in about 7 minutes. Would those people have woken back up on their own by then?
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:13 pm

Fairly new E-175. Will be interesting to hear more about what happened.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:23 pm

Shows on united.com as N131SY ....
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:24 pm

Interesting.

https://twitter.com/tomcostellonbc/status/590937464862277632
Skywest is contradicting gov't sources - says no lost cabin pressure. Emerg Landing due to single psgr who became ill and passed out.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:28 pm

also known as UA 5622 .... UA is intentionally blocking information on their website about the flight :

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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
also known as UA 5622 .... UA is intentionally blocking information on their website about the flight :

I see it - showing the BUF stop and all. Must have changed.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:45 pm

If you watch the playback on FlightRadar24, seems they started their descent about north of CLE, and were at 10,000ft pretty quickly. I wonder why they didnt divert to somewhere closer, like ERI?

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua5622/#6119398

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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
also known as UA 5622 .... UA is intentionally blocking information on their website about the flight :

Shows up fine for me

United Flight 5622
Operated by SkyWest Airlines dba United Express
Status: Arrived Gate - Diverted to Buffalo, NY (BUF)
DEPARTSARRIVES
City: Chicago, IL (ORD - O'Hare)
Gate: E6
Check-in Terminal: Terminal 2, Concourse E
Scheduled Time: 9:20 a.m.
Scheduled Date: Wed., Apr. 22, 2015
Actual Time: 9:14 a.m.
Actual Date: Wed., Apr. 22, 2015
City: Buffalo, NY (BUF)
Gate:
Terminal:
Scheduled Time: 11:45 a.m.
Scheduled Date: Wed., Apr. 22, 2015
Actual Time: 11:42 a.m.
Actual Date: Wed., Apr. 22, 2015

Aircraft: Embraer ERJ-175 aircraft #N131SY
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting zrb2 (Reply 5):
Interesting.

https://twitter.com/tomcostellonbc/status/590937464862277632
Skywest is contradicting gov't sources - says no lost cabin pressure. Emerg Landing due to single psgr who became ill and passed out.

I'm going off of what the FAA says not the airline
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:47 pm

Delivered in February of this year...young bird.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:47 pm

Shows different reg # for BUfBDL N119SY .. Ac swap?
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:48 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 12):
Shows different reg # for BUfBDL N119SY .. Ac swap?

I'm guessing something like this would necessitate a replacement ferried in.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:47 pm

A Yahoo story shows a Skywest Fokker-50. Sweet, I didn't know the long awaited jet-prop link between ORD-BDL had launched!

http://news.yahoo.com/skywest-plane-...door-opens-175716859--finance.html

[Edited 2015-04-22 13:48:56]
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:59 pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20150422/1605Z/KBUF/KBDL

Looks like it is going to continue on to BDL sometime this afternoon/early evening. I am guessing that it was a medical diversion after all... I assume if there was some kind of pressurization issue that the plane would be there a lot longer...
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:03 pm

Quoting n797mx (Reply 10):
I'm going off of what the FAA says not the airline

Why? The airline has a better idea of what's going on with their aircraft than the FAA does.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20150422/1605Z/KBUF/KBDL

Looks like it is going to continue on to BDL sometime this afternoon/early evening. I am guessing that it was a medical diversion after all... I assume if there was some kind of pressurization issue that the plane would be there a lot longer...
Quoting iahcsr (Reply 12):
Shows different reg # for BUfBDL N119SY .. Ac swap
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 17):

Oh, missed that... hmmmmmm
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:37 pm

Flight now airborne with new ac to BDL
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
Looks like it is going to continue on to BDL sometime this afternoon/early evening. I am guessing that it was a medical diversion after all... I assume if there was some kind of pressurization issue that the plane would be there a lot longer...

You can fly at 10K un-pressurized in certain circumstances.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:27 pm

FlightAware shows an average descent rate of 3,954 feet/minute (37,000 ft to 11,300 ft) from 11:11:30 to 11:17:59 EDT.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S.../20150422/1420Z/KORD/KBUF/tracklog

Flightradar24 shows, with some tight graph zooming, an average descent rate of 5,250 FPM (37,000 ft to 11,625 ft) from approx 11:12:15 to approx 11:17:05 EDT.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua5622/#6119398

Let's use the more conservative value, 3,954 FPM. That's *still* an emergency descent rate by any pilot's definition. (Before you ask: Yes, I am a pilot. No, I didn't earn my license from Microsoft.) And then they leveled off at 10,300 for about seven minutes, pretty damned close to 10,000 feet -- where you'd need to be in the event of lost pressurization.

And then there's an equipment swap. Unless this single passenger's "losing consciousness" resulted in massive flow of his/her bodily fluids into the cabin -- not bloody likely; we'd have heard that gory detail from the media by now -- there's no reason why the airplane would suddenly need to be swapped. (Unless there just happened to be a mechanical at the same time, which we haven't heard from SkyWest or anyone else.)

SkyWest says this was a "medical incident" involving one passenger? Uh-huh. If you believe that whopper, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:38 pm

Quoting BoeingBear (Reply 21):
Let's use the more conservative value, 3,954 FPM. That's *still* an emergency descent rate by any pilot's definition.

Disagree. An idle descent in the mid-upper 30's will normally result in a similar rate. That's before gear and/or speed brakes are added into the equation. Not unordinary.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:55 pm

Quoting flight152 (Reply 22):

Disagree. An idle descent in the mid-upper 30's will normally result in a similar rate. That's before gear and/or speed brakes are added into the equation. Not unordinary.

Sorry, I will be direct...you don't know what you are talking about.

That is a very quick descent. And 4000 FPM on the 170/190 without redlining has speedbrakes out.

And as an 11 year airline pilot, you don't do this for a "sick" passenger. If a diversion for a sick passenger is made, it is not a barberpole, speedbrakes out, gear down descent. You descent quick, but you don't create a further emergency situation for the other 80 people on board by using a rarely used maneuver to get one sick person to the hospital.

And then you don't level off at 10,000 feet!


The extended level off at 10,000 feet also seals the deal. Once you get to 10,000 feet the decompression emergency is done.


The rule of the thumb is NEVER CREATE ANOTHER EMERGENCY WHEN RESPONDING TO THE EMERGENCY IN FRONT OF YOU. This rapid descent and diversion would be overkill for a sick passenger.

Oh, and the plane stayed in BUF. Planes that divert for a sick passenger, refuel and takeoff rather quickly.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:13 am

Quoting A332DTW (Reply 16):
Why? The airline has a better idea of what's going on with their aircraft than the FAA does.

Yeah, but the FAA doesn't have a reputation to protect. Sick passenger sounds better than plane with hole in it...
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:21 am

I was just watching a news report on television, that said that there was no decompression actually, that the report of such came from a matter of miscommunication on the aircraft. But I have seen no other report that said this. Any information to confirm this report, does anyone know?
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:26 am

It seems to be a lot of confusion here both in the media and perhaps even in the plane itself. SkyWest spokesperson says it was only medical, FAA says it was a depressurization issue. Referring to the original article posted in the first post, one passenger said that things "got panicky" and was told "there was a loss of cabin pressure and fasten your seatbelts" then the flight "nosed dived" to 10,000ft.


http://www.wkbw.com/news/cabin-door-...buffalo-several-lose-consciousness

[Edited 2015-04-22 17:28:57]
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
And then you don't level off at 10,000 feet!

You would if you were above 250 knots.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
And as an 11 year airline pilot

Oh boy. 11 whole years. Perhaps remedial training could be arranged if a quick descent is outside your comfort zone?

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
This rapid descent and diversion would be overkill for a sick passenger.

It wouldn't be if it was one of your loved ones.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
Oh, and the plane stayed in BUF. Planes that divert for a sick passenger, refuel and takeoff rather quickly.

Not if required medical supplies were used. It's possible they aren't able to be deferred.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:40 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 27):
You would if you were above 250 knots.

As long as the emergency is still declared, this speed restriction is null and void.
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:53 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 27):
Oh boy. 11 whole years. Perhaps remedial training could be arranged if a quick descent is outside your comfort zone?

I find it hard to believe you regularly descend your aircraft at 4,000 FPM. Even with a 100 knot tailwind it's rarely necessary to do more than 3,000 FPM to follow the 3 degree descent prescribed by most of the new RNAV arrivals.

Quoting flight152 (Reply 27):
Not if required medical supplies were used. It's possible they aren't able to be deferred.

At my company (not Skywest) we are allowed to MEL the medical kit for one flight. Furthermore, if they just needed a new medical kit, why did they ferry in an entirely new aircraft? They could have just as easily put the medical kit as AOG parts on flight UAL 1061 which departed about 15 minutes before the ferry aircraft.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:16 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 8):
I wonder why they didnt divert to somewhere closer, like ERI?

BUF is a pretty big airport, with better facilities.

Quoting A332DTW (Reply 16):
Why? The airline has a better idea of what's going on with their aircraft than the FAA does.

I think the FAA has just as much idea as the airline does, because the airline is required to report to the FAA. Also, the FAA isn't self-interested.
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:26 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 10):
I'm going off of what the FAA says not the airline

Right. Because the FAA knows via some method other than the airline telling it what happened.

  
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 27):
It wouldn't be if it was one of your loved ones.

Now there's the voice of ignorance. What pilot would endanger himself (or herself), his airplane, and his passengers -- and put the "loved one" at greater risk -- with a redline descent? (And that's not even considering how unlikely it is that the pilot and passenger knew each other.)

Quoting N353SK (Reply 29):
Furthermore, if they just needed a new medical kit, why did they ferry in an entirely new aircraft? They could have just as easily put the medical kit as AOG parts on flight UAL 1061 which departed about 15 minutes before the ferry aircraft.

Exactly. +1

Quoting N353SK (Reply 29):
I find it hard to believe you regularly descend your aircraft at 4,000 FPM. Even with a 100 knot tailwind it's rarely necessary to do more than 3,000 FPM to follow the 3 degree descent prescribed by most of the new RNAV arrivals.

Agreed. Also, look at where they were when they told Cleveland Center they were diverting (according to Flightaware). Both CLE and DTW were half as far as BUF; if it were a medical. they would have gone for one of those closer points.

http://goo.gl/maps/T3ekJ

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 31):
Right. Because the FAA knows via some method other than the airline telling it what happened.

Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but I'm betting that "other method" was the pilot telling ATC about a depressurization emergency.

[Edited 2015-04-22 18:41:24]

[Edited 2015-04-22 18:42:50]
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:13 am

Quoting BoeingBear (Reply 32):
(And that's not even considering how unlikely it is that the pilot and passenger knew each other.)

You certainly read that the wrong way. It's a matter of speaking to get an ill passenger on the ground as quick as possible, no matter who they are since everyone has loved ones. I wasn't saying I would only do it for my family.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting BoeingBear (Reply 32):
What pilot would endanger himself (or herself), his airplane, and his passengers -- and put the "loved one" at greater risk -- with a redline descent?

Apparently, this one.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:05 am

Skywest is now reporting that three passengers lost consciousness.
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting JOshu (Reply 35):

Skywest is now reporting that three passengers lost consciousness.

Source please?
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:51 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 36):

If true, this begs the question: Did they not put on their masks, or were the masks not deployed?
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:44 am

Note: As Skywest is a United regional, not United itself. Thy may not be able to just swap first aid kits between carriers.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:31 am

There was no loss in pressure. Someone (maybe multiple) passed out and they incorrectly thought it was a lack of cabin pressure. This is due to miscommunication among the crew.

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Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:50 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 39):
There was no loss in pressure. Someone (maybe multiple) passed out and they incorrectly thought it was a lack of cabin pressure. This is due to miscommunication among the crew.

I find myself skeptical that three passengers randomly lost consciousness around the same time wtihout a depressurization incident. What...did they have the fish?   
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:51 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 29):
At my company (not Skywest) we are allowed to MEL the medical kit for one flight. Furthermore, if they just needed a new medical kit, why did they ferry in an entirely new aircraft? They could have just as easily put the medical kit as AOG parts on flight UAL 1061 which departed about 15 minutes before the ferry aircraft.

Only if Skywest is able to ship hazmat AOG parts on United. Otherwise they would have to fly it on their own medal or drive it. But like you said, they should have been able to get a 1 flight cycle MEL on the Emergency Med Kit. Now if they used all of the portable oxygen bottles that would be another thing.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:12 am

Quoting JOshu (Reply 35):
Skywest is now reporting that three passengers lost consciousness.

Yeah, they really need to start telling the truth here.
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:45 am

Three pax lost consciousness. The pilots thought there might be an unindicated pressurization problem, so they performed the emergency descent out of caution.

There apparently was no actual pressurization problem.

Quote:
The Federal Aviation Administration said initial information indicated the Embraer E170 jet may have had a pressurization problem, but that turned out to be incorrect.

Snow said the plane's oxygen masks did not release.

"After examination by maintenance personnel and local authorities, there have been no indications of a pressurization problem or other issues with the aircraft," Snow said. "Our investigation is ongoing."
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:24 pm

The decision to divert for a sick passenger comes from a Doctor on the ground via Medlink and not the Captain.

Ultimately, the Captain makes the decision to listen to the doctor or not, but the legally-protected medical call comes from the ground.

And did you know that >95% of the time, Medlink says continue?

I have had passengers with seizures, chest pains, shortness of breath and called them...sure they were going to have us divert. Nope. Especially if there is a medical professional on board.

A rapid descent of 4000 FPM over 20,000 feet of distance is not a normal procedure. It is an emergency procedure. It is practiced at recurrent every year for use when needed.

That isn't to say you don't hit 3000-4000 FPM over the course of a decent. You go through air pockets, airspeed increases and decreases and if you are in an idle, constant speed descent the aircraft will pitch down or up to maintain selected speed. This may cause momentary descent rates that high. But a sustained descent rate of 4000 FPM over 20,000 or 25,000 feet is not normal.

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 43):
Three pax lost consciousness. The pilots thought there might be an unindicated pressurization problem, so they performed the emergency descent out of caution.

Ultimately, the pilots performed this descent thinking they had a pressurization problem.

This would never be done to get one sick passenger to a hospital.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:50 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 44):
Ultimately, the pilots performed this descent thinking they had a pressurization problem.

That's what I said. There was nothing to indicate a pressurization problem, other than 3 passengers fainting.

Out of caution, the emergency descent was performed.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:08 pm

But why would 3 passengers faint at the same time? Perhaps one was truly ill, and then 2 others fainted out of panic? Even that is a bit hard to believe.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:09 pm

If I was in the position of making a decision about the airplane continuing after the landing in BUF and there was no pressurization problem and there were three unrelated unconscious passengers, I would want to know what caused or why those people lost conscious before releasing the airplane to continue on. If the diversion was for a single passenger or the three did eat the fish (some common experience) then I would send the aircraft on, but if there is an agent in the cabin that caused all this then that needs to be dealt with.
 
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:41 pm

Do we have a confirmation that masks were deployed? If the pilot thought that there was decompression, that should indicate that he deployed the masks. I would imagine that once that happened, the plane could not continue until the units were replaced.
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RE: Skywest 5622 ORD->BDL Rapid Depressurization

Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:05 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 38):
Note: As Skywest is a United regional, not United itself. Thy may not be able to just swap first aid kits between carriers

No, they wouldn't just "swap" medical supplies between carriers, but United can carry Skywest AOG COMAT if need be. It's just not the preferred method of doing so, however in this circumstance, it could've been done.
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