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TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:26 am

Looks like a Star Alliance A320 landed without the right gear deployed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2go7hMK1sI#t=24

[Edited 2015-04-25 02:28:40]
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:33 am

according to some Turkish websites, flight was TK1878 MXP-IST with 97 passengers onboard. All safe and sound. Traffic is been diverted to SAW.

another video available here:

http://www.airturkhaber.com/haber_detay.asp?haberID=15535
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:40 am

"BREAKING #TK1878 touched down, right gear collapsed, took off again then landed"

source (info/pics): http://www.airlive.net/2015/04/break...-we-got-reports-of-plane-with.html
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:08 am

Seems like it was an engine problem too, with flames coming out in the video showing it approaching the airport
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:21 am

Turkish again....

what does the weather look like at that time??

The second video looks very scary when they are in the air with that fire, great everybody is safe.

[Edited 2015-04-25 03:23:13]
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:36 am

Quoting flywrite (Reply 3):

Seems like it was an engine problem too, with flames coming out in the video showing it approaching the airport

Perhaps that was caused when it tried to land and then took off again as per the earlier post in this thread?
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:11 am

It is too early to learn the facts however I heard from a friend in the company that the aircraft was on short final when it encountered vortex from a previous aircraft (or maybe windshear) and hit the right wingtip and the engine to the runway, aborted landing and performed a go-around. During the second approach, the right engine caught fire. The pilots managed to land the aircraft safely on the second try. After the landing the aircraft left the runway and ended in the grass. The right mlg collapsed, we dont know if this happened during leaving the pavement and entering the grass area or a due to a piece of the engine hitting the gear.

Passengers in the flight reported that there was panic inside the aircraft after the landlng, but the crew was very effective and very professional and had timely actions and guidance to help passengers disembark the aircraft.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:39 am

TK haven't had much luck lately, glad the passengers and crew are safe and well.

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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:51 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
TK haven't had much luck lately, glad the passengers and crew are safe and well.

I bet MH would love Tk's luck. 2 severe incidents for TK, no fatalities..
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:51 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):

TK haven't had much luck lately, glad the passengers and crew are safe and well.

EK413


I hope this evacuation was smoother than what was reported to have happened in Kathmandu where even the crew took their luggage down the evacuation slides. Based on many of the preliminary findings coming out in the A330 incident last month, I don't think luck is the right word to describe the cause of that.

The pictures seem to show possible un contained engine failure heavily damaging the wing and landing gear structure. It will take time, but they should be able to find what caused such significant structural failure.

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Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:58 am

 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:59 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
TK haven't had much luck lately, glad the passengers and crew are safe and well.

I bet MH would love Tk's luck. 2 severe incidents for TK, no fatalities..

I've flown MH & they are a wonderful airline with great service & crew. It's just unfortunate MH lost 2 aircraft with 1 remaining to be a mystery.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):

TK haven't had much luck lately, glad the passengers and crew are safe and well.

EK413

I hope this evacuation was smoother than what was reported to have happened in Kathmandu where even the crew took their luggage down the evacuation slides.

I hope so too! Crew should set an example and to evacuate an aircraft during an emergency with their carry on luggage is just disgusting!

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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting airkas1 (Reply 2):

"BREAKING #TK1878 touched down, right gear collapsed, took off again then landed"

source (info/pics): http://www.airlive.net/2015/04/break...-we-got-reports-of-plane-with.html

this site has a pic of the aircraft with wing exit open and slide deployed over damaged wing, I know things are chaotic after a crash but not sure i'd want to get out that way.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:18 pm

I am glad everyone is fine.
Here is another photo where you can see the damage to the right wing, also right landing gear seems not fully open;

http://kokpit.aero/vorteks-mi-kuyruk-mu-vurdu-thy
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:22 pm

the aircraft is about 8 and a half years old. I wonder if it is more financially sensible to repair or to scrap it.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:25 pm

We have a photo in the database showing the aircraft damaged on final approach:


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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:29 pm

Here is the actual landing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K81InsIUrGU

More pics of the plane after landing:
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...-thy-ucaginin-son-goruntuleri.html

Here is another video shows the landing and the evacuation including over the damaged wing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzw8_t2xV9c
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:44 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
I've flown MH & they are a wonderful airline with great service & crew. It's just unfortunate MH lost 2 aircraft with 1 remaining to be a mystery.

Totally agree with you...so given that TK have had two serious landing incidents that have resulted in no life and damage to the airframes they can consider themselves very lucky to be in that position - it could have been so much worse.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:52 pm

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 15):
We have a photo in the database showing the aircraft damaged on final approach:


Wow!, that was fast. Looking at this bigger picture, looks like right wingtip is also damaged/bent. It must have been some initial landing, glad no one was hurt.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:00 pm

About the photo in the database; what is that broken part which looks like stuck to the fuselage?
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:11 pm

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 15):
We have a photo in the database showing the aircraft damaged on final approach:

Wow that pic really tells a story a lot, that's for sure.
Looks like it must been a really hard 1st landing that, pushed the RH main gear up through the wing and is also bent it back at an angle, you can see parts of the wing sticking up, the wingtip is also bent which would mean the tip struck the runway as well. The engine is also damaged and i wouldn't be surprised if that was a result of the 1st impact rather than a existing engine issue on approach.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:20 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
Looks like a Star Alliance A320 landed without the right gear deployed...
True or False?

This situation would be much worse with a 717 because the wing mounted engine prevented the plane from pirouetting?
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
This situation would be much worse with a 717 because the wing mounted engine prevented the plane from pirouetting?

Ooookay. That's like saying this situation would be much better with an F-16 because then it would only have 1 person aboard. Nonsense.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:38 pm

Up close pics:

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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:40 pm

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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:42 pm

It looks like more went wrong on that landing...
After the first landing the aircraft reverses course to the right, then comes in again but then turns out southbound again (too high??) and finally lands towards the north. (FR24)
Due to extent of the damage, the first landing must have been quite impressive... Good thing it wasn´t a MD-11...
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:45 pm

TK1878 flight path just before landing and the altitude and speed history:





[Edited 2015-04-25 06:53:07]
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:47 pm

Is the wingtip crooked? How it crooked cause from? Look picture in the air from pax window and landing, too.

Q

EDIT:

Never mind. I found it was first attempt landing cause wingtip scrapped from runway surface.

Q

[Edited 2015-04-25 06:49:36]
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:50 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 27):

There is a whole darn sight more crooked than just the wingtip....  
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:59 pm

I'm I the only one who is absolutely flabbergasted about the fact that the airplane remainded flyable after suffering this much damage? Kudos to Airbus.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:06 pm

Is anyone else thinking of AC 621? the DC8 that crashed in June 1970... after a hard landing that tore an engine off, the crew took off again not realizing how bad the damage was. There was a fuel leak that ignited and one wing failed... the aircraft went down before it could circle and land.

Great job by the crew to bring it back safely... it could have been much worse.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting peterjohns (Reply 25):
turns out southbound again (too high??)

I doubt it since after the mayday call ATC clears them for 35L not 05. The crew confirms the 35L clearance.

[Edited 2015-04-25 07:09:19]
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:09 pm

Quoting peterjohns (Reply 28):
There is a whole darn sight more crooked than just the wingtip....

I have a hunch that there was enough shear force on the wing spar to make this write-off.

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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:15 pm

Anybody else agree that it is amazing. Look at that wing, yet this ended up as a "non-event" Crew training and today's aircraft design. Yay TK!
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:15 pm

So you touch down, you have an inoperative engine, a wing that's falling apart and a collapsed gear and you decide it's a good idea to spool up the remaining engine and to go around  
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting 76er (Reply 29):
I'm I the only one who is absolutely flabbergasted about the fact that the airplane remainded flyable

I am flabbergasted that the pilots made the decision to lift off again after they hit the ground already with a bang.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:18 pm

Not a good few months for the A320.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:25 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 35):
I am flabbergasted that the pilots made the decision to lift off again after they hit the ground already with a bang.

Perhaps they bounced or had already initiated a go around just prior to impact. It will all soon show up on the cvr/fdr readouts.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting aircatalonia (Reply 34):
So you touch down, you have an inoperative engine, a wing that's falling apart and a collapsed gear and you decide it's a good idea to spool up the remaining engine and to go around

I will give the benefit of doubt to the pointy end here on the go around call. There is no possible way they could have could have accessed the damage in one second.
A plane is designed to fly and did so with quite spectacular damage. They did an excellent job on the go around and second landing. The first landing not so much.

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[Edited 2015-04-25 07:34:57]
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting 76er (Reply 29):
I'm I the only one who is absolutely flabbergasted about the fact that the airplane remainded flyable after suffering this much damage?

No, you're not the only one. Landing the ship hard enough to push a MLG structure up through the wing, in the process giving the engine and pylon an almighty wack, yet still remain flyable is quite frankly astonishing. That the RH engine remain attached, after supposedly have been commanded to deliver TOGA in the go-around following the first landing, is also remarkable.

What is neither astonishing, nor sadly particularly remarkable, is the apparent inability of TK pilots to consistently perform a safe landing. This is more than a trend; this is very, very disturbing.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting aircatalonia (Reply 34):
inoperative engine, a wing that's falling apart and a collapsed gear
Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 35):
hit the ground already with a bang

I am under the impression that it is a universal SOP to go around in an approach that does not go as planned, please correct me if I am wrong. It would not be evident at the instant of touchdown that 1) the engine was inop, 2) the flaps and gear would not retract, 3) there was significant damage to the wing.

I am very glad that everybody is safe and there are no reports of injuries.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:46 pm

Second landing sounded high speed until flair.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:02 pm

seems like they already started recovering the aircraft
http://www.airkule.com/haber/UCAK-BOYLE-KURTARILIYOR/20230

and some more pictures from the evacuation (also showing people carrying their carry-on bags...)
http://www.airturkhaber.com/haber_detay.asp?haberID=15539
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:14 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 36):
Not a good few months for the A320.

In a way yes, but the two recently lost were not because of the airframe's design, while the two bad landings (this one included) show the strengths of the aircraft despite what happened.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:07 pm

Turkish Airlines spokesperson Dr. Ali Genc told MailOnline Travel: "Turkish Airlines TK 1878 Milan-Istanbul flight has landed safely after its first attempt to Istanbul Ataturk Airport."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...ing-sky-descent.html#ixzz3YKzM90yw
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:21 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 33):
Anybody else agree that it is amazing. Look at that wing, yet this ended up as a "non-event" Crew training and today's aircraft design. Yay TK!

I'm not sure about the wisdom of the crew to get airborne again after the first attempt at landing but fantastic outcome for all on board.

With regard to aircraft design I couldn't agree more. Redundant systems and airframe integrity have proved real assets when you look at this and something like the Qantas A380 with the uncontained engine failure - how on earth either of these aircraft remained flyable and the end result being nil fatalities is beyond me.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:30 pm

Seems like the first landing resulted in the whole right wing contacting the ground. The wingtip fence and the outer flap are damaged and the engine is missing the aft-most cowl. I have no idea if going around after such an initial hit was pure genius or pure insanity, but I don't think the flight crew realized the extent of the damage when they made that decision.
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:11 pm

Seems way too early to judge the crew for doing a go-around. It's impossible to assess the damage that quickly in such a situation. I'm really impressed by the solidity and structural integrity of the A320.. it seems like it can take a hell of a beating and still fly.
 
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):
Here is the actual landing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K81InsIUrGU

Wow. You can hear that they were at full power just before landing...
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RE: TK Landing Incident @ IST

Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):


TK haven't had much luck lately, glad the passengers and crew are safe and well.

An airline not having luck is one that has an airplane shot down and another disappear mysteriously. TK has a history of poor airmanship that causes accidents, they are lucky so far their recent bad performance has not led to deaths. That is the "lucky" part of this, they are actually lucky to not have hundreds of deaths on their hands. Before it is too late, time to wipe out the pilot culture there and start over.

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