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Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:51 pm

Please continue posting your updates here.

Turkish Aviation April 2015 (by TK787 Mar 31 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Special thanks to LAXIntl for providing us great info on the now archived thread.

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[Edited 2015-04-25 12:59:18]

[Edited 2015-04-25 12:59:44]
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Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:27 pm

Well then.

Part 2 in one month. Nice.


Shall we begin?




If anyone 'cares'. I messaged both TK and the Turkish Consul in Miami. Both replied with similar responses. They'll have some good news soon.
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Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:30 pm

Here's another view of the scene.

Photo taken from passenger:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDbMht3WIAAgTKa.jpg:large


https://twitter.com/iarnox/with_replies
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Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:33 pm

Hey, Ben.

Just wanted to point out (if your weren't aware) you misspelled 'Turkish'.


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Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:44 pm

The people to the right are happily having a photograph in front of it by the looks of things.
 
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Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:50 pm

I want to criticize people for taking their carry-ons and bags while they were evacuating ( as in Kathmandu ) but I took the same flight from Milan last saturday and it made me think, what would I do if it was me, for some reason I feel like I would do the same ( and plus the shameless selfie as well )
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:53 pm

From Part 1

Quoting Mict (Reply 203):

What are they doing with all those WB? There are several arriving each month but not a lot of new Long Haul routes.

I had the same question. TK hasn't launched long-haul routes lately ... and didn't retire/return all the 340s or leased 332s yet. Where are these WBs flying to?

And where are they parking all these planes ... IST was already pretty much full!  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:55 pm

Hello All,

I was wondering if anyone who has knowledge regarding Turkish aviation, could provide their opinion about the following news story. It was reported on the radio in Ireland, and can be listened to in the following link:

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radiop...b.html#!rii=9%3A20768542%3A0%3A%3A

From the radio interview, an Irish national was travelling ECN-ESB-IST-DUB. When clearing customs in ESB, he was told he needed to buy a visa. When he was unable to do so, he was held in a cell overnight at the airport. Then the following day, the customs officials made him purchase a new flight back to ECN.

As a result, he missed his connecting flights back to Ireland and had to book new flights back to Ireland from the Greek side of the island via London.

Is this normal? Is this type of situation unusual? From the radio interview, the whole situation sounds very strange. The passenger mentions that he did travel to the Greek part of Cyprus while on holiday in the Turkish side. Could this have caused issues?

Any opinions, thoughts or comments would be interesting to hear.

Thank you in advance.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:06 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 6):
I had the same question. TK hasn't launched long-haul routes lately ... and didn't retire/return all the 340s or leased 332s yet. Where are these WBs flying to?

Just an example for tomorrow mornings departures:

77W to:
- ATH
- CDG
- LHR
- ESB
- ADB

These destinations were rarely served by such large equipment previously.

A330s to:
-FRA
-TLV
-OTP
-AMS

So we can surely argue that TK is going the EK way of growth with WB aircraft flying even very short iternaries.
 
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Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 6):
TK hasn't launched long-haul routes lately ...


 

MNL - March 30, 2015
TPE - March 31, 2015
SFO - April 13, 2015

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 7):
When clearing customs in ESB, he was told he needed to buy a visa. When he was unable to do so, he was held in a cell overnight at the airport. Then the following day, the customs officials made him purchase a new flight back to ECN.

Well Irish citizens need a visa to enter Turkey.

From Irish govenment website
http://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/turkey/

All Irish citizens require a visa to enter Turkey. Visitors arriving to Turkey without visas will be able to obtain their e-Visas via interactive kiosks placed in Turkish airports. Visitors should be aware that the cost is higher for a Kiosk visa and the process is time consuming on arrival. We therefore encourage all Irish passport holders travelling to Turkey to obtain their e visas in advance of travel.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:20 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):


Well Irish citizens need a visa to enter Turkey.

From Irish govenment website
http://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/turkey/

All Irish citizens require a visa to enter Turkey. Visitors arriving to Turkey without visas will be able to obtain their e-Visas via interactive kiosks placed in Turkish airports. Visitors should be aware that the cost is higher for a Kiosk visa and the process is time consuming on arrival. We therefore encourage all Irish passport holders travelling to Turkey to obtain their e visas in advance of travel.

Thank you very much for that! I feel rather ashamed at how easy the answer was to find.

What confuses me, is that the gentleman appeared to travel there with no problems and did not have a visa to enter Northern Cyprus, when he started his holiday.
 
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Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:30 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):

MNL - March 30, 2015
TPE - March 31, 2015
SFO - April 13, 2015

Oh sorry ... my bad! I was thinking that they haven't announced many future long-haul routes lately ... like they used to ... but somehow interpreted that in my head differently. I knew about the launches of MNL and SFO ... should have remembered that .... silly brain of mine!  
 
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Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:35 am

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 10):
What confuses me, is that the gentleman appeared to travel there with no problems and did not have a visa to enter Northern Cyprus, when he started his holiday.

EU nations don't need a visa for Northern Cyprus. But for Turkey he does.
So his trip to N. Cyprus went off without a hitch, but once he landed in Turkey without subsequently getting the e-visa his troubles began.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:07 am

Some questions related to leased 332s:
As fas as I checked from internet, Tam birds and jet birds JIN-JIS are in good shape, I think new leases are in good shape as well (ex kingfisher birds won best bc award)
Why TK is not deploying these birds in long haul flights, they need 332s for tokyo, osaka and kul and they are deploying JNA-JNE.
Can anybody reply
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 13):
Why TK is not deploying these birds in long haul flights, they need 332s for tokyo, osaka and kul and they are deploying JNA-JNE.

Most probably due to capacity, their own birds have 250 pax while the leases have only 220.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:45 am

Quoting KIRFlyer (Reply 7):
From the radio interview, an Irish national was travelling ECN-ESB-IST-DUB. When clearing customs in ESB, he was told he needed to buy a visa. When he was unable to do so, he was held in a cell overnight at the airport. Then the following day, the customs officials made him purchase a new flight back to ECN.

This raises a lot of concerns and the DFA are taking it up with the Turkish Embassy. I have heard TK are keen to do damage limitation along with the Turkish authorities as its the kind of bad press they don't need. Putting this tourist in a cell was a major mistake to be honest and will frighten people. Its not the kind of tourism ad you want. He should have simply been treated with respect as a guest into the country who fell foul of rules. I don't know what they were thinking.

Having travelled LHR-IST-ECN myself I didn't require a visa as I was transit. The issue seems to have risen from his double connection on the return. Had he been doing ECN-IST-DUB it would not have arisen. It certainly is a mine field for your normal tourist booking.

A travel agent did the same dummy booking and called TK yesterday and were told the passenger did not need a visa so its something that needs addressed.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:54 am

Do you have an idea of the load factor for the YUL flights?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Putting this tourist in a cell was a major mistake to be honest and will frighten people. Its not the kind of tourism ad you want. He should have simply been treated with respect as a guest into the country who fell foul of rules. I don't know what they were thinking.

 

What do you want them to do? Every large European nation likely refuses entry and detains hundreds of people a day at their airports. EU stats shows that 324,840 people were refused entry into the Schengen Area alone.
This Irish traveler failed to have the required visa and was obviously so troubled they were even unable to purchase one on the spot.

The onus is on the traveler, just like a Turk cannot show up on the Irish border and expect to be let in without a visa, the Irish would certainly detain them and then deported back to their point of origin.
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Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 17):
What do you want them to do? Every large European nation likely refuses entry and detains hundreds of people a day at their airports. EU stats shows that 324,840 people were refused entry into the Schengen Area alone.
This Irish traveler failed to have the required visa and was obviously so troubled they were even unable to purchase one on the spot.

Lets take bias aside . I think you need to step back and realise the situation a bit better. It was a simple genuine mistake which DID NOT require a guy thrown in a celll. Listen to the interview get the facts ! No one is denying he made a genuine mistake. Did you actually listen to it? If so explain to me why even after buying a visa he was thrown into a cell.



[Edited 2015-04-26 07:28:26]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:59 pm

What's the status of the damaged A330-300 ?

Where is it at the moment ? Still in KTM ?

Thanks for any update  
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:26 am

TK starting Roma, Stuttgart and Cologne from SAW today bringing the total number of int. destinations served to 20 from SAW, from airporthaber.com.

"Sabiha Gökçen Havalimanı’ndan Amsterdam, Bakü, Berlin, Brüksel, Düsseldorf, Ercan, Frankfurt, Kiev, Kuveyt, Londra, Milan, Münih, Paris, Tiflis, Tahran, Tel Aviv, Viyana’nın ardından Roma, Stuttgart ve Köln noktalarına da uçuş başlatan Türk Hava Yolları, Sabiha Gökçen Havalimanı’ndan sefer yaptığı nokta sayısını 20’ye yükseltti."
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:54 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 8):
77W to:
- ATH

Mentioned at the tail end of the last thread but A340 is also on the ATH route. A nice mix 777/330/340.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Mentioned at the tail end of the last thread but A340 is also on the ATH route. A nice mix 777/330/340.

Even though it seems like OTP is scheduled only for 330, it seems 340 is also dropping by on occasion.

One of the TK insiders: I checked in the TK reservation system and the 330 are only scheduled until the end of October. Any idea if they are summer only or if they will continue in the winter season as well?
Anyway, I couldn't find any announcement regarding the equipment change for this summer, so it kind of came as a surprise ones the 330/340 were dropping by.
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:42 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):
TK starting Roma, Stuttgart and Cologne from SAW today bringing the total number of int. destinations served to 20 from SAW, from airporthaber.com

I'll have some news about TK @ SAW in the next few days   Big things are coming
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):

Big things? Hmmm...


Some good news from TK, I would suppose, yes?

And I'm not talking about SAW. I'm talking in general. Will there be more news besides that?
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
I'll have some news about TK @ SAW in the next few days   Big things are coming

Fingers crossed; Maybe they will announce some long haul routes?
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
I'll have some news about TK @ SAW in the next few days   Big things are coming
Quoting Miami (Reply 24):
Big things? Hmmm...


Some good news from TK, I would suppose, yes?

And I'm not talking about SAW. I'm talking in general. Will there be more news besides that?

Non-stop SAW-MIA ... 

How about SAW-JFK though ... is the market matured enough for that fourth frequency?   
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 26):
Non-stop SAW-MIA ...

No thanks. I'd much prefer IST-MIA   
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:21 pm

I do not expect any langhaul from SAW. It does not fit with TK hub business model.
I think surprise would be frequency or further cities.

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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:50 pm

Hey Turkish Aviation Folks,
Are you ready for some TK rant??? (Baha, you will love this one..)
After spending couple of hours on 4 different phone calls to TK, my saga continues....
I called TK call center to buy economy tix + use Elite Plus vouchers to upgrade... My credit card charged, upgrades available and I qualify to fly J, but can not be done over the phone. I have to go to JFK tomorrow till 7pm and show them my I.D.s since my TK Miles and Smiles card have my middle name on it and my US passport doesn't.
Conveniently this was only became obvious after the credit card charge went through.

I am really looking forward to my JFK trip tomorrow.
To be continued......
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:01 am

Any ideas what this TK flight is all about?
Is this the government A332 flying from GRU-YYZ?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY6902
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 30):
Any ideas what this TK flight is all about?
Is this the government A332 flying from GRU-YYZ?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY6902

6xxx flight numbers are usually cargo flights, maybe a charter?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:02 am

Here is the latest 77W for TK TC-LJA http://paineairport.com/kpae11202.htm
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:16 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 31):
6xxx flight numbers are usually cargo flights, maybe a charter?

TC-JNV going to AZUL. Plane left the fleet a few days ago, fortunately.
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:05 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Mentioned at the tail end of the last thread but A340 is also on the ATH route. A nice mix 777/330/340.

Another example is ZRH and KHI, which is served by A332 now as well.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:21 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 33):
TC-JNV going to AZUL. Plane left the fleet a few days ago, fortunately.

UPDATE:

TC-JIV Turkish Airlines delivery 27apr15 GIG-YYZ ex PR-AIW

TC-JNV Turkish Airlines ferried 21apr15 IST-IAH-CWF, for Azul Linhas Aéreas

So it was most probably TC-JIV, which will join TKs fleet soon.
Seems like TK swapped JNV in favor of JIV with AZUL.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:24 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 35):
Seems like TK swapped JNV in favor of JIV with AZUL.

Why would both parties do that? The Azul A330 was painted several months ago, sounds like a waste of money.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):

Why would both parties do that? The Azul A330 was painted several months ago, sounds like a waste of money.

Azul has RR engines and will be easier to maintain. TK has a large amount of A330s powered by RR engines.
JNV was the only oddball with PW engines in their A330 subfleet

Of course, this is only my speculation.

[Edited 2015-04-28 03:32:15]
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:56 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):
To be continued......

Well...
I am very happy to announce that it is all good  
I wrote an email to Miles and Smiles and asked them to drop my middle name from my account.
They answered within 12 hours (wow!!)
and I didn't have to go to JFK and was able to get the free upgrades and seat assignments and all over the phone.

FYI, when you use the EP vouchers, you purchase a Y ticket and get upgraded to J (skipping Comfort)

Well done TK. I immediately sent a very nice email to them.
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:56 pm

Mmmmmm,

Maybe spoke a bit too soon...
As usual with my job, few hours after this I get a call and I have to change the above ticket. After couple of calls to TK center, same old answer: "You have to go to the Sales Office at JFK airport" !! Really!!!
What if I lived 100 miles away, 500 miles away....
To change the return portion of an upgraded ticket has to be done at JFK??
Why do I have to go in person?
Also, all these answers are given to me over the phone, can't be that cheap to be online with someone 30 mins. (One of them was in English, I can tell the Indian accent maybe located in India?)
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 35):
UPDATE:

TC-JIV Turkish Airlines delivery 27apr15 GIG-YYZ ex PR-AIW

And today YYZ-IST
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY6902

Why the long way?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:54 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 37):
Azul has RR engines and will be easier to maintain. TK has a large amount of A330s powered by RR engines.
JNV was the only oddball with PW engines in their A330 subfleet

Of course, this is only my speculation.

Sounds like a good explanation, thanks.
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:55 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):

Hey Turkish Aviation Folks,
Are you ready for some TK rant??? (Baha, you will love this one..)
After spending couple of hours on 4 different phone calls to TK, my saga continues....
I called TK call center to buy economy tix + use Elite Plus vouchers to upgrade... My credit card charged, upgrades available and I qualify to fly J, but can not be done over the phone. I have to go to JFK tomorrow till 7pm and show them my I.D.s since my TK Miles and Smiles card have my middle name on it and my US passport doesn't.
Conveniently this was only became obvious after the credit card charge went through.

I am really looking forward to my JFK trip tomorrow.
To be continued......
Quoting TK787 (Reply 38):
Well...
I am very happy to announce that it is all good  
I wrote an email to Miles and Smiles and asked them to drop my middle name from my account.
They answered within 12 hours (wow!!)
and I didn't have to go to JFK and was able to get the free upgrades and seat assignments and all over the phone.

FYI, when you use the EP vouchers, you purchase a Y ticket and get upgraded to J (skipping Comfort)

Well done TK. I immediately sent a very nice email to them.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 39):
Maybe spoke a bit too soon...
As usual with my job, few hours after this I get a call and I have to change the above ticket. After couple of calls to TK center, same old answer: "You have to go to the Sales Office at JFK airport" !! Really!!!
What if I lived 100 miles away, 500 miles away....
To change the return portion of an upgraded ticket has to be done at JFK??
Why do I have to go in person?
Also, all these answers are given to me over the phone, can't be that cheap to be online with someone 30 mins. (One of them was in English, I can tell the Indian accent maybe located in India?)

Boy - despite all the fond feelings about TK/IST/Turkey - the whole saga sounds like so much pain - never wanna do changes/upgrades on a TK itinerary. But one is coming up soon, as my parents who would be flying BOS-IST-DAC in a few months will need a date change and possibly adding a few days stopover at IST.  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:02 pm

So if MH are getting rid of their A380's as per the thread recently posted on the forum, is it definite that TK won't go for them?

Could TK take the A330F's and four 777-200's also/alternatively?
They are growing their cargo fleet so the A330F would work perfectly as they've got them already. Not sure about the 777-200, but if they're cost effective surely they will be good for the growth of long haul destinations (and increasing PAX capacity on mid-haul).
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:56 pm

Why part2 with month coming to end in just a few days and no rolling discussion on either that required its creation?

PIA ATR72 will be stopping at ESB on delivery flight from Toulouse, I know many delivery flights of various carriers stop at Turkish cities mainly IST/SAW and ESB, so why dont spotters catch them? night visits perhaps the reason?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation April 2015 - Part 2

Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 43):

I donk^t see them taking the B772s, but why not the A332F freighters, as according to ch-aviation they have leased one of MAScargo A332Fs. I guess the prestige vor buying used A380s is the breaking argument?
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:19 pm

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