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AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:21 am

Loaded in Res System.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:23 am

Did they get the Boeing contract for CHS?
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:27 am

All these transcons are going to start taking up a lot of 737s What are the timings like?
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:29 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):

Did they get the Boeing contract for CHS?

If they didn't then I have no idea what they're thinking with SEA-CHS. I can't imagine there's much travel there other than the Boeing folks.

Who has the contract now?

RDU makes some sense. Not sure about BNA.

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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:31 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 3):
If they didn't then I have no idea what they're thinking with SEA-CHS. I can't imagine there's much travel there other than the Boeing folks.

Who has the contract now?

160 pax per day full? Or will this route only be a few times per week?
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:41 am

I might have posted CHS pre-maturely...RDU & BNA is for sale though.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:43 am

Quoting PassedV1 (Thread starter):

Loaded in Res System.
Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 5):
RDU & BNA is for sale though.

Beginning when?
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:50 am

Is this some late april fools joke?

CHS! I have been to Charleston i cant imagine a transcon especially to SEA of all places not even LA or LAS. I wonder if the city put a big revenue guarantee in place for Boeing or something . How much travel does Boeing really need. This has to be less than daily.

CHS furthest flight is DFW and its less than 1000 miles and its not even mainline, CHS-SEA is 2,415 miles!

RDU and BNA also seem ambitious. Flying from the southeast to the northwest offers very few good connection opportunities in SEA so they gotta fill alot of o&d to make this work. I guess they want to eliminate two cities that Delta now wont be able to start from SEA? That is the only thing i can think, if this does come true
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:52 am

RDU is showing daily from 1OCT DEP SEA 0840 ARR RDU 1650; DEP RDU 1750 ARR SEA 2100

BNA is showing daily from 23SEP DEP SEA 0930 ARR BNA 1650; DEP BNA 1905 ARR SEA 2020
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:54 am

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/28/as-sep15/

Looks like a few more services than that as well:

4 weekly Charleston
Daily RDU
Daily BNA

Second daily SEA-ATL service starting 23 August.

Daily LAX-BWI service starting 9 September.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:55 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 9):
4 weekly Charleston
Daily RDU
Daily BNA

I confirmed RDU and BNA are loaded, CHS is not at this time.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:59 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 9):
Daily LAX-BWI service starting 9 September.

Are they moving this? Weren't they already flying LAX-DCA there only East west flight from LAX?
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:01 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 6):

It appears in the GDS beginning 1Oct.

SEA-RDU
Flight 754 SEA-RDU 8:40a-4:50p
Flight 753 RDU-SEA 5:50p-9:00p
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:01 am

AS740 LAX2210 – 0615+1BWI 738 D
AS739 BWI0730 – 1040LAX 738 D

Operating a red eye they really don't use too much valuable plane time. Still very shocking they will be going up against both spirit and united with a redeye.

[Edited 2015-04-27 23:04:29]
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:02 am

Not surprised by RDU and BNA.

I was positive AS would be in NC this year with either CLT or RDU; and BNA was the only city AS doesn't compete with WN ex SEA.

2nd daily SEA-ATL makes sense.

CHS is a surprise, as is BWI-LAX. Neither are available for purchase at this time...

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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 7):

Is this some late april fools joke?

CHS! I have been to Charleston i cant imagine a transcon especially to SEA of all places not even LA or LAS. I wonder if the city put a big revenue guarantee in place for Boeing or something . How much travel does Boeing really need. This has to be less than daily.

It's apparently happening. Will not operate Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.

Reminds me of TWA trying ICT-SEA back in the day to scrape off Boeing traffic between both properties.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:45 am

It was mentioned in the Conference Call last week that the company is receiving 10 (net) new a/c this year; I'm not sure if that was just Boeings or also included the 3 E175s they are getting in June/July?

I guess we now know where at least some of those airplanes are heading.....

Hmmmm, interesting....

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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:50 am

Continuing to pick of top DL flows one by one...SEA flyers have never had it so good. Who knows maybe ORF is next  
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:15 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 11):
Are they moving this? Weren't they already flying LAX-DCA there only East west flight from LAX?

They are adding the BWI flight in addition to the DCA flight, I guess this is a jab at WN on the route, it's fun to watch the kids play tit for tat, sometoimes we get some interesting routes.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 6):
Beginning when?
BNA - Starts 23 Sep
RDU - Starts 01 Oct
CHS - Starts 16 Nov 4 x weekly (Isn't this AS's first less than daily station in the US?) Maybe we'll see more routes that operate less than daily or maybe even some triangle or tag routes with marginal cities while they build up the routes.

All of these caught me off guard. There is a quote in another thread where a member stated that AS has intentions on growing consistently in the next 5 years, I bet we'll see more routes added to places we wouldn't imagine today.

With these adds could places like CLE or CVG, I'm betting we'll see routes to North Dakota sooner than later as well on QX or OO.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 15):
Reminds me of TWA trying ICT-SEA back in the day to scrape off Boeing traffic between both properties.


I remember that flight, M80's flying 4 hours mostly empty with scattered few Boeing employees, it lasted how many days? I hope AS got in good with Boeing for offering this route, I wonder if there were backroom deals that made this flight happen?

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):
Operating a red eye they really don't use too much valuable plane time. Still very shocking they will be going up against both spirit and united with a redeye.


Well it's not exactly Sophies choice with those three carriers now is it? I'd take AS over NK ANYDAY, UA as well. Although I have come to realize that AS is going to grow across the West Coast, I hope PDX gets some dots connected to the route map this year, EWR or JFK would be very nice.

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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 7):
RDU and BNA also seem ambitious.

Ambitious but doable. WN makes BNA work with connections, but AS will need to count on the SEA feed. I'm fairly confident that these cities will work over time.

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 8):
BNA is showing daily from 23SEP DEP SEA 0930 ARR BNA 1650; DEP BNA 1905 ARR SEA 2020

2:15 layover. Seems like a long time. What does arriving in SEA at 2020 offer that 1920 would not? A late bank?

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 9):
4 weekly Charleston

Very unusual, but I guess Boeing's hand is on this.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 9):
Daily LAX-BWI service starting 9 September.

That came out of nowhere.

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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 19):
2:15 layover. Seems like a long time. What does arriving in SEA at 2020 offer that 1920 would not? A late bank?

Yes exactly, there is a bank to most Northwest destinations & Canada that leaves SEA 9:30-11pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 19):
That came out of nowhere.

Agreed, BWI being a traditionally low yield destination, I'm kind of surprised AS is jumping into the heavily saturated So Cal market. I guess we know where one of the MEX aircraft is now going to be flying to now. As was suggested in another thread, BWI has proven to be quite a strong performer for AS, especially given the short time they've flown there.
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:10 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 10):
I confirmed RDU and BNA are loaded

Kayak showed them but when I selected the fare and got redirected to Alaska's website, they didn't show as available. At least not yet.

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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:27 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 2):
All these transcons are going to start taking up a lot of 737s

Good thing we're getting a lot of 'em this year, then. With many more to come thereafter.   
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:22 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 19):
Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 8):
BNA is showing daily from 23SEP DEP SEA 0930 ARR BNA 1650; DEP BNA 1905 ARR SEA 2020

2:15 layover. Seems like a long time. What does arriving in SEA at 2020 offer that 1920 would not? A late bank?

Looks like the layover is 1 hour (4:05p to 5:05p) in BNA

123SEPSEABNA./D«
23SEP WED SEA/PDT BNA/CDT‡2
1WN 692 Y K L B Q H W SEABNA N 1150 1810 73H 0 /E
R O M S N T
2AS 736 F7 D7 P7 U7 A1 Y7 Z7*SEABNA N 0930 1605 738 0 DC /E
S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7

123SEPBNASEA./D«
23SEP WED BNA/CDT SEA/PDT-2
1WN 1154 Y K L B Q H W BNASEA N 1055 1350 73W 0 /E
R O M S N T
2AS 735 F7 D7 P7 U7 A1 Y7 Z7*BNASEA N 1705 2020 738 0 DC /E
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:44 am

Awesome news! Another highly requested route for RDU and a new plane to spot too! This is gonna make the business community very happy....
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:00 am

What would have been cooler for RDU is if the flights were 919 and 984.. The two area codes for the Triangle... But oh well...
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:49 am

I don't get the CHS add there are a lot of other markets that don't have SEA service that could be better... IND or CLE

RDU and BNA could work well tho!
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Did they get the Boeing contract for CHS?

Like STL, I suspect SEA-CHS will be a veritable "Boeing Express."

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
All these transcons are going to start taking up a lot of 737s

Yes, but Alaska has more new 737s coming, and clearly believes that it can deploy these assets into these new markets at a level of return acceptable to shareholders.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 9):
Daily LAX-BWI service starting 9 September.
Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 11):
Weren't they already flying LAX-DCA there only East west flight from LAX?

Interesting - the schedule appears to make good use of a plane sitting around at LAX RON, and seems to fit well with perhaps a late morning to early evening turn to/from Mexico.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):
Still very shocking they will be going up against both spirit and united with a redeye.

It will be interesting to see if and/or how United responds.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
Continuing to pick of top DL flows one by one

  

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
SEA flyers have never had it so good

  

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 19):
Ambitious but doable.

Agree - I suspect BNA and RDU should both work. Neither are small markets in their own right, and with RDU you also have the tech connection.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:53 am

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 26):

Two words: Boeing traffic. They're just connecting the two Boeing plants, evidenced IMO by the 4-weekly schedule as opposed to daily.



   
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:06 pm

SEA-CHS is reminiscent of the old EA SEA-STL-HSV route during the Apollo days, and more recently TW on SEA-ICT.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:22 pm

How does AS typically secure ground handling in these 1x/day markets? Do they use partner airlines or a handling company?

Quoting bnatraveler (Reply 23):
Looks like the layover is 1 hour (4:05p to 5:05p) in BNA

Which would make sense. It's about a 5 hour flight, so 1905-2020 is incorrect even with a two hour time change.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
Continuing to pick of top DL flows one by one...SEA flyers have never had it so good.

Agreed, but it's important to remember that in a lot of cases AS will also be competing with DL at SLC for connecting flows. Markets like BNA-HLN aren't huge by any means, but they are high-yielding and DL is pretty much the only game in town in many of them (at least for those of us who don't care to ride a 50 seater to DEN or deal with the nightmare that is the DEN UA Express ramp).
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:28 pm

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 26):
I don't get the CHS add there are a lot of other markets that don't have SEA service that could be better... IND or CLE

Agreed. I was almost certain IND would be in the next round. Oh well, maybe next time  
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:41 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
How does AS typically secure ground handling in these 1x/day markets? Do they use partner airlines or a handling company?

Alaska often uses ground handling vendors. In the past, Alaska used Delta in many stations. More recently, Alaska has switched many of the formerly-Delta-handled stations to other vendors - including, in several cases, AA.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:53 pm

Official press release re: BNA, RDU, CHS service from less than an hour ago:

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20150428_045924.asp
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:04 pm

CHS must be a loss-leader to get a big Boeing travel contract. PDEW is ~60 passengers based on the BTS data I have, which is slightly out of date but not likely to have changed dramatically. Call it 100/day for 4/weekly flights, but that is making a big assumption that nobody would travel on the other days. Betting there is a solid AA codeshare in place over DFW to capture the other days' traffic.

IND, PIT, CMH, ORF, JAX, and BDL each has better PDEW traffic from SEA than CHS does. Even 4/weekly is vastly overserving the market.

IND is by far the next most attractive market from SEA that does not have nonstop service (~123 PDEW).
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:10 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 34):
CHS must be a loss-leader to get a big Boeing travel contract. PDEW is ~60 passengers based on the BTS data I have, which is slightly out of date but not likely to have changed dramatically. Call it 100/day for 4/weekly flights, but that is making a big assumption that nobody would travel on the other days.

It seems logical that Alaska is also going to be able to pull some level of O&D from some other Pacific Northwest markets where Alaska is strong and a SEA connection isn't overly circuitous - like PDX, ANC, GEG, YVR, etc. - which should help with at least a few PDEW. Beyond that, I suspect Boeing traffic in the market may continue to increase as production there ramps up. And finally, the nonstop should help stimulate the market somewhat, at least the discretionary/leisure element - CHS is a great vacation destination, as Alaska's press release highlights. I agree that this market is going to be more of a "push" economically, but I think it might make it.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 34):
Betting there is a solid AA codeshare in place over DFW to capture the other days' traffic.

I believe Alaska currently codeshares to CHS over ATL with Delta, but yes, I agree this will likely be shifted to run over DFW - and ultimately probably CLT, too - long-term.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 34):
IND, PIT, CMH, ORF, JAX, and BDL each has better PDEW traffic from SEA than CHS does. Even 4/weekly is vastly overserving the market.

IND is by far the next most attractive market from SEA that does not have nonstop service (~123 PDEW).

Personally, I think IND, PIT and CMH all seem like likely future Alaska adds out of SEA.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 32):
Alaska often uses ground handling vendors. In the past, Alaska used Delta in many stations. More recently, Alaska has switched many of the formerly-Delta-handled stations to other vendors - including, in several cases, AA.

Thanks. At BNA, I suspect it will be a vendor just because AA is short of mainline gates at the moment (and will be until integration with US is complete).
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):Still very shocking they will be going up against both spirit and united with a redeye.It will be interesting to see if and/or how United responds.

Given UA's track record at LAX lately, I think they'll be gone by the spring...and I wouldn't be surprised if AS took a likely UA suspension into account when they were analyzing whether or not to add the route.
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:21 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 36):
At BNA, I suspect it will be a vendor just because AA is short of mainline gates at the moment (and will be until integration with US is complete).

Interesting. I always thought the AA/USAirways gates in C had some space outside of the morning rush with all the RONs. Not questioning - I wouldn't know - but between 3, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15, there wouldn't be room for a 737 for an hour in the afternoon?

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 37):
Given UA's track record at LAX lately, I think they'll be gone by the spring...and I wouldn't be surprised if AS took a likely UA suspension into account when they were analyzing whether or not to add the route.

I, too, would not be surprised by such a calculus, nor such an outcome.
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:29 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 38):
Not questioning - I wouldn't know - but between 3, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15, there wouldn't be room for a 737 for an hour in the afternoon?

That will be the question a year from now, and the answer then will be yes.

The trouble today is that AA really only has two mainline gates at the moment (10 and 11). US uses 2, 3, 5 and 6, and 12-15 are Eagle (plus assorted prop operators). 12 and, IIRC, 13 can take mainline, but they haven't done it. I think they are reticent to squeeze Eagle given the number of Eagle destinations that can have ground delay programs.
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:31 pm

Also, AS has to be happy with the response from Maryland-based passengers on SEA-BWI (it was always going to do well with loyal SEA-based fliers). I have to think LAX-BWI is the result of the success of the SEA-BWI flight. Presumably the LAX-DCA flight is performing well-enough to support another frequency to the region.

Other factors that seem to indicate BWI is going well: AS decided to start IAD soon after the BWI launch and now, even with 4x daily SEA-WAS, BWI fares have remained quite strong.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:54 pm

With respect to CHS, remember the first 787-10 will be loading in about 19 months at today's production rate. That means long lead items are about to go into production and any special processes are being developed now. Since the -10 is going to be exclusively assembled in North Charleston, it is reasonable to expect a surge in travel between SEA and CHS.
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):
I'd take AS over NK ANYDAY, UA as well.

Also, AS must figure that NK won't attract any business pax, or pax getting reimbursed from a company or where the travel dept. (of the company) books the flight for the pax. Considering that NK won't attract any of those pax, WN doesn't have a red-eye, it's just a direct competition with UA then. Maybe NK will move LAX-BWI up to LAX-PHL if it perceives it's LAX-BWI is too competitive, if UA stays, so possibly a chance that NK leaves.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 37):
Given UA's track record at LAX lately,

Also maybe, on the BWI side. I don't think UA has grip that it used to in the WAS region with it extending up by BWI's catchment just because of the IAD hub. For those who live where BWI is the closest airport, there is a good chance they are taking a flight on an international carrier (and not UA) if they head to IAD as I know some that do. I do suspect some pax still fly SFO-IAD (on UA) to head to Baltimore region area or return to it, given the choice of nonstops to IAD but not to BWI.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:09 pm

Disappointed by the timing of the SEA-RDU/CHS runs because I live in the SF Bay Area and actually fly to these Southeast cities quite often, but they bank them too early for me to catch an SFO/SJC/OAK-SEA flight to connect to any of these (which I otherwise would, even if a bit circuitous, because I have AS MVPG status and these are bound to be thin routes for F availability). But the earliest Bay Area-SEA arrives at 8:30 a.m., which rules both of these out. This is really a local traffic (or redeye connection from Anchorage)-type catchment.

[Edited 2015-04-28 08:10:41]
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:13 pm

CHS is great. I expected/hoped for this. Between Boeing and the other aerospace suppliers, this will probably do just fine. My father commutes between the two cities regularly (works in Seattle, lives in Charleston), so a nice add.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:24 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):
(Isn't this AS's first less than daily station in the US?)

It's the only one that I can think of. ZLO is AS's only other less that daily station that I can think of.

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Did they get the Boeing contract for CHS?

Like STL, I suspect SEA-CHS will be a veritable "Boeing Express."

How come AS just dropped LGB then? It is a great route for the CR7 or E175.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting blueheronNC (Reply 43):
Disappointed by the timing of the SEA-RDU/CHS runs because I live in the SF Bay Area and actually fly to these Southeast cities quite often, but they bank them too early for me to catch an SFO/SJC/OAK-SEA flight to connect to any of these

SEA is VERY out of the way to these cities so i doubt AS would want to carry passengers on these routes.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:28 pm

I can see connecting pax to SEA coming from PDX and GEG but that's pretty much it. SEA is not ideally located for a domestic hub.
 
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 47):
I can see connecting pax to SEA coming from PDX and GEG but that's pretty much it. SEA is not ideally located for a domestic hub.

I think the circle is somewhat larger than that simply because of the limited access that RDU and BNA have to the northwest right now. Itineraries like RDU-EUG or BNA-YLW have few or no one-stop options now (and many of the Canadian destinations require a connection at YYZ, which is hardly a worse connecting point geographically than SEA).
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RE: AS Starting BNA CHS RDU

Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:51 pm

The question I keep asking myself regarding the SEA-CHS 4x weekly is what didn't they announce? There is an airplane sitting empty 3 days a week. It would seem to me that at some point another route would need to be announced or another route go to 3x weekly.

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