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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 11:40 am

[quote=PA515,reply=137]

Thanks for the info. When do the night ops commence

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 1:11 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 147):
How will QF respond? Or will they keep it the same?

Or could this be more of a counter move by NZ to try and prevent QF from expanding more? Counter move against QF and at the same time enhance the PER connections to North/South America to further counter QF from BNE/SYD/MEL
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 1:20 pm

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 142):
International arrivals from the USA have increased by 15.6% from 36,402 to 42,091

since there is no direct service from the USA to CHC would these arrivals be via Australia?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 152):
since there is no direct service from the USA to CHC would these arrivals be via Australia?

Yes, I'm pretty sure
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 3:34 pm

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 153):
Yes, I'm pretty sure

I wonder how they record the arrivals from the direct SIN flight?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 153):
Yes, I'm pretty sure

Christchurch Airport gathers it's international passenger data from Immigration NZ (along with data provided by airlines), who in-turn gather it from passports and arrival and departure cards. The international passenger figures breakdown published is in essence passengers grouped by either passport or the country of residence they wrote on their card (not 100% sure which).

This means there are a few limitations when looking at this data and trying to use it to interpret how much demand there is to or from a particular country. Firstly, it gives no indication of where New Zealanders travel to and from CHC and secondly it only counts passengers who pass through immigration control therefore it doesn't domestic connections.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 147):
I'd imagine the CHC rotation fits in there to probably similar to the extra AKL services?!

Timetable is out now for this.

NZ162 PER CHC 2330 1045 15
NZ161 CHC PER 1430 1655 26

Fits perfectly with the extra AKL services.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 4:53 pm

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 155):

The NZ departure card asks for the country you will spend most time in while overseas and your residential address in NZ. The NZ arrival card also asks for both of these aswell as to list the countries you have been in the last 30 days. Whilst still limiting, it does show where people who are going overseas live and from what airport, and their main destination while overseas.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 155):
Christchurch Airport gathers it's international passenger data from Immigration NZ (along with data provided by airlines), who in-turn gather it from passports and arrival and departure cards
Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 157):
The NZ departure card asks for the country you will spend most time in while overseas and your residential address in NZ. The NZ arrival card also asks for both of these aswell as to list the countries you have been in the last 30 days.

A bureaucratic information gathering exercise that is the bain of the traveler's life. New Zealand is particularly bad; being one of the few countries which forces you to fill out an arrival AND a departure card. I'd love to know really what useful purpose these cards serve, and what vital information of national importance they provide that couldn't be obtained electronically.

I always make a point of filling mine out as illegibly as possible. Particularly the arrivals card, where you can blame turbulence and the four glassses of wine.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 158):
I'd love to know really what useful purpose these cards serve, and what vital information of national importance they provide that couldn't be obtained electronically.

Only if the data they collected was used as transparently as BITRE uses the same sort of data. I wonder if there is a freedom of information rule that could force Stats. NZ to disclose the data relating to each carrier on each city pair.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 11:26 pm

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 156):
Timetable is out now for this.

NZ162 PER CHC 2330 1045 15
NZ161 CHC PER 1430 1655 26

Fits perfectly with the extra AKL services.

It is nearly double daily PER-AKL/CHC which is pretty impressive I'd have thought.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Fri May 15, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 159):

An official Information Act request would do it I would presume. If that request is denied then a complaint to the Ombudsmen.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 12:20 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 149):
And then a late night Sunday flight back to AKL.. That would be a goldmine.

You could propbably starts fares on that flight at $250ow.

Quoting gasman (Reply 158):
A bureaucratic information gathering exercise that is the bain of the traveler's life. New Zealand is particularly bad; being one of the few countries which forces you to fill out an arrival AND a departure card. I'd love to know really what useful purpose these cards serve, and what vital information of national importance they provide that couldn't be obtained electronically.

It's an total waste of time - if there going to ask, why can't you do it on the kiosks?

Now that you don't have to sign it, does it now mean its not legally required?

http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/reso...ts/nz-passenger-departure-card.pdf
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 3:28 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 158):
A bureaucratic information gathering exercise that is the bain of the traveler's life.

It isn't the bane of my life, and I don't understand why it would be for anyone.

It's a simple form, easily and quickly filled out, which adds to the store of information about patterns of travel.

What's the big deal?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 3:57 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 163):
Quoting gasman (Reply 158):
A bureaucratic information gathering exercise that is the bain of the traveler's life.

It isn't the bane of my life, and I don't understand why it would be for anyone.

It's a simple form, easily and quickly filled out, which adds to the store of information about patterns of travel.

What's the big deal?

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For once I find myself agreeing with Mariner. It is a quick easy form to fill out.
Doing it at kiosks would slow that process down when people are trying to move. They have plenty of time on the aircraft to fill out a form.
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Sat May 16, 2015 4:56 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 164):
Doing it at kiosks would slow that process down when people are trying to move. They have plenty of time on the aircraft to fill out a form.

But this form is done on departure, which isn't fun at 4.30am in the morning
 
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Sat May 16, 2015 6:37 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 165):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 164):Doing it at kiosks would slow that process down when people are trying to move. They have plenty of time on the aircraft to fill out a form.

But this form is done on departure, which isn't fun at 4.30am in the morning

New Zealand's and Australia's departure form have to be the most annoying form to complete. The arrival form for Canada has to be the most easiest form you'll ever fill out for arrivals. Can't see why NZL and Oz can't simply take a good study of the Canada form and adjust it to match. The Canada form is basically just a little document which doesn't involve much reading if your not use to filling out departure forms.

I have a spare Canada form somewhere but since I'm above to move, nearly everything is packed so I can't upload it here
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 7:07 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 164):
For once I find myself agreeing with Mariner. It is a quick easy form to fill out.

If the forms are necessary for security purposes, or to provide legal weight towards enforcing declarable goods limits, then I'll happily fill them out - if the forms are designed to be as concise as possible (they aren't).

However if the purpose is purely an information gathering exercise, then I have no interest in participating. There are some things towards which I'll gladly donate my time - but participating in market research isn't one of them. Particularly when I'm travelling.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 166):
Canada has to be the most easiest form you'll ever fill out for arrivals

  
 
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Sat May 16, 2015 7:10 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 166):
Can't see why NZL and Oz can't simply take a good study of the Canada form and adjust it to match. The Canada form is basically just a little document which doesn't involve much reading if your not use to filling out departure forms.

I don't think the NZ form requires a degree in English to understand. It's pretty basic stuff.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 7:40 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 168):
I don't think the NZ form requires a degree in English to understand. It's pretty basic stuff.

I have plenty of them at home already filled in and ready to go. (minus the where have you been in last 28days box on arrival and flight number on departure - which I complete once I am booked.). I don't like to stop unnecessarilly once I'm at the airport.

To me I don't give a toss about it - I would question why there is anything more than departure aviation security who should scan a boarding card which either scans green or red depeneding on their status.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 9:23 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 168):
don't think the NZ form requires a degree in English to understand. It's pretty basic stuff.

basic stuff?
Have you read the declaration? For a non English speaker the card is a virtual impossibility.

Quoting gasman (Reply 158):
I always make a point of filling mine out as illegibly as possible. Particularly the arrivals card, where you can blame turbulence and the four glassses of wine.

Me too, cant stand these market research activities.
Worst is the departure card.
Why on earth do we have a departure card?

The point with these cards are that they serve no real purpose these days. Our passports are machine readable. Thats all thats needed. The cards provide no controllable information that a scan of my passport doesn't.
So lets get rid of them and provide a better overall traveler experience.
Constantly looking at change is a key to provide better service and the departure cards have more than outlived its usefulness.
Seriously whats the cost to the taxpayer for the country to check these cards?, to store them? to analyse them? (And why analyse data that cant be verified in the first place?)
Seriously this departure-card nonsense feels as relevant to 2015 as Nielsens TV ratings does...
(and pls read up on the joke that is Nielsens TV ratings, how that company get away with what at best is a really poor excuse for statistical measurements is beyond me )

We constantly need to question the usefulness of activities undertaken that takes time and effort from people and strive to improve them. I feel this hasn't been done when it comes to this old school costly paper trail of statistics that only a 1960ies state could find useful.

A nice little anecdote, I used to have a colleague who always filled in that he would return before he departed. He flew 20+ times a year to SE Asia, no one ever checked his details. He always laughed at me for constantly filling in the accurate details.
Another lovely data collected on these cards was the Rugby World cup attendance question. they asked if you were in NZ to visit the world cup. I entered NZ 17 times to visit the world cup...
They distributing cards with this question at least 3 months in advance of the first game and the foreign carriers still asked the question one month after the final game.
That data must have produced very valid and reliable answers or someone must have had to manually do data entry on this so that a software could identify all discrepancies (assuming StatsNZ has such software - something I don't know).

Simple form, how about we do what they have in Singapore. Immediate customer service satisfaction survey?
I get to fill in (click smiley face) if i am happy or not with the service provided and provide an explanation.
Id love to give feedback on some of our publicly paid staff whose job is to be the face of New Zealand.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 9:43 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 170):
Have you read the declaration? For a non English speaker the card is a virtual impossibility.

If a person has so little knowledge of English - as in zero - that they can't complete the form, then they can get help.

The form does not have to be filled in at the airport, and - presumably, they have friends or traveling companions, or tour leaders or, if al else fails, a translation service. Google translation is easy, good and free.

Whenever I;m in a foreign country (where I have little or no knowledge of the language) I try to find out the things I might need when I first arrive, or even before if I can. I don't just assume that my language will be commonly spoken.

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Sat May 16, 2015 9:58 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 168):

Have you completed the Canadian arrival form? If you have then you'll notice a 100% difference in the style/layout of the forms. The Canadian form asks just the basic and Customs need to know questions. The questions basically fit on a small note pad size paper compared to the New Zealand form which basically takes up a full A4 size paper
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 10:04 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 172):
Have you completed the Canadian arrival form?

Yes. I think it's good. But I don't think the NZ form is arduous and I can't understand the fuss.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 12:53 pm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...rrier/story-fnp4m2h5-1227353960063

Looks like TT will soon start to fly across the Tasman. I wonder what it would mean to the VA/NZ alliance. VA has added Business Class to their B737's and would have moved to full service across the whole Economy cabin if it wasn't for NZ. How long can NZ hold on to the current S2S model?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sat May 16, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 174):
Looks like TT will soon start to fly across the Tasman

For maintenance in CHC - makes sense to operate passenger sectors as well. Ideal for the waste of time Intl routes for VA/NZ from places like DUD too.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 174):

Are you able to provide a rundown of the article as its subscribe only?

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 175):
Ideal for the waste of time Intl routes for VA/NZ from places like DUD too.

ULCC and LCC are perfect for those routes. Wonder what routes are being propsed
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 1:22 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 176):
Wonder what routes are being propsed

Didn't I read in the Australian thread that they were talking to AKL management? But from where in Australia?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 1:30 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 174):
Looks like TT will soon start to fly across the Tasman.

Excuse my ignorance - who is TT? (the link takes you to a "subscriber only" page)
 
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Sun May 17, 2015 1:32 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 178):
Excuse my ignorance - who is TT? (the link takes you to a "subscriber only" page)

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Sun May 17, 2015 2:34 am

Tigerair sharpens its claws as global carrier
Ben Butler
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MAY 14, 2015 12:00AM
Tigerair chief Rob Sharp looks to be clawing out an international footprint for the low-cost carrier.

The airline boss was busy making new friends at Auckland airport yesterday, with the no-frills carrier now increasingly ambitious under the full ownership of Virgin Australia.

The fiercely independent Sharp, who is now in total control of Tiger’s international rights, was believed to be chatting to the Kiwis about the possibility of Tiger plying the trans-Tasman route with landing rights at the airport.

That might come as something of a surprise to Virgin’s 23 per cent shareholder Air New Zealand, but we are sure it would be thrilled to welcome its cheap and cheerful distant corporate cousin to the land of the long white cloud.

Sharp’s NZ talks will set the scene for a juicy Virgin board meeting next week, believed to be the last for outgoing chair Neil Chatfield. The aggressive move will leave plenty for new Virgin chair Elizabeth Bryan to deal with when she parachutes into the boardroom, sitting across from the likes of Air NZ boss Chris Luxon.
 
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Sun May 17, 2015 2:53 am

Which ever routes TT decide to launch on will only grow the market as airlines will be forced to match the launch fares and match any new lead in fares TT bring. Since (I presume) TT won't have access to NZ/VA deal on the Tasman run but most likely access to NZs domestic market NZ shouldn't really be bothered as its basically the cheap seats NZ are loosing. Airpoints FF will still choose NZ/VA where ever possible for status points earning
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 6:24 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 165):
But this form is done on departure, which isn't fun at 4.30am in the morning


I travel to Australia every 2 weeks on average so I have a stock of arrival and departure cards for both AU and NZ, I always complete them all before departing. In fact that is my next task tonight for my 0700 departure on Tuesday as I too cant focus at 4.30am - well it is 0600 for me, no point getting there earlier with only carry on
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 8:31 am

What was delaying NZ175 so much today? Was meant to depart at 1415 but actually left at 1950.

Also, I'm lead to believe that ZK-OKO has returned.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 85):
How does JQ who sell J seats but don't offer much premium products make money/sell seats? Customers still purchase those bigger seats as they offer more space. I've flown Y but turned down food as all I was wanting was sleep. Airlines offer extra services because they know they have to not because they must or because extra money is involved.

This I agree with. I really don't see the point of the added fluff that comes with Y+. When I fly Y+ , I want a bigger seat with more legroom, some more airpoints to reflect the higher spend.....and that's it. Stuff like business meals, lounge access and higher baggage allowance are completely wasted on me. Air New Zealand should unbundle the product, so that passengers can choose what they want and not pay for what they don't.  

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Quoting haggis73 (Reply 97):
Looking at the construction going on there at the moment from airside, it looks like the upper observation deck will remain with the NZ lounge taking over the lower viewing area and the large conference room.

The upper deck is much too small. It is set too far back, which means that the roof gets in the way of any worthwhile plane spotting of aircraft in gate ten. Also, the windows are usually filthy and there is as good as no view of the 'new' A380 gates.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 107):
Hope they open up the viewing deck again, it's a shame that places are doing away with them. No major airport in the country now has a dedicated viewing area... Was great going up before a flight and getting your geek on!!!

  
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 9:16 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 171):
If a person has so little knowledge of English - as in zero - that they can't complete the form, then they can get help.

The form does not have to be filled in at the airport, and - presumably, they have friends or traveling companions, or tour leaders or, if al else fails, a translation service. Google translation is easy, good and free.

This is how the form starts:
"Information collected on this form and during the arrival process is sought to administer Customs, Immigration,
Biosecurity, Border Security, Health, Wildlife, Police, Fine Enforcement, Justice, Benefits, Social Service, Electoral,
Inland Revenue, and Currency laws. The information is authorised by legislation and will be disclosed to agencies
administering and entitled to receive it under New Zealand law. This includes for purposes of data matching between
those agencies. Once collected, information may be used for statistical purposes by Statistics New Zealand."

This is not basic simple English...
And definitely not the level we can expect from all visitors.

Not filled in at the airport? Try walking out without the paper filled in...
And no, most agents in foreign countries dont provide these forms nor does the majority know that these forms exist. printing them yourself isnt exactly loved by NZ Immigration either.

the reason its a fuss is because its an unnecessary burden or people who visit New Zealand.
Its a cost to taxpayers a cost thats really without merit.
Whats worse there are much better examples of these cards fopr example canada yet we continue with a card thats rather poorly designed, worded and shaped.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 9:47 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 184):
"Information collected on this form and during the arrival process is sought to administer Customs, Immigration,
Biosecurity, Border Security, Health, Wildlife, Police, Fine Enforcement, Justice, Benefits, Social Service, Electoral,
Inland Revenue, and Currency laws. The information is authorised by legislation and will be disclosed to agencies
administering and entitled to receive it under New Zealand law. This includes for purposes of data matching between
those agencies. Once collected, information may be used for statistical purposes by Statistics New Zealand."

I doubt that many people read that section - I only read it because of this thread, it's at the end of the form not the start - but Google will have it translated almost as fast as you can type it in, into just about any language.

The questions themselves are about as simple as can be. If your English is so limited that you cannot understand "Passport Number," then ask for help. But then again - you do have to fill out a form flying in, with similar questions, so it isn't a novel experience.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 183):
Also, I'm lead to believe that ZK-OKO has returned.

Yes. It is white and black and missing a giant reptile on the side now. It really should have been a retro TEAL/Air NZ 77W I think. I would settle for an A320 in the Solent livery too.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Sun May 17, 2015 12:45 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 186):
I would settle for an A320 in the Solent livery too.

  
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 4:27 am

"China Airlines to resume seasonal Sydney-Christchurch flights"

Taiwanese flag carrier and SkyTeam member China Airlines will recommence its Sydney-Christchurch flights after a successful ‘trial run’ across the ditch this past summer.

Stretching to almost five months, the services will run on Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays in each direction between November 3 2015 and March 25 2016.

“The Taipei-Sydney-Christchurch service last summer was our most successful sector on our global network at that time, so it was an easy decision to expand the service next summer,” said Shirley Yang, China Airlines’ New Zealand Branch General Manager.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-airlin...asonal-sydney-christchurch-flights
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 8:54 am

SYD-AKL CI51 is also expected to be a contender for their first A350 route according to their staff
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 9:31 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 188):

“The Taipei-Sydney-Christchurch service last summer was our most successful sector on our global network at that time, so it was an easy decision to expand the service next summer,” said Shirley Yang, China Airlines’ New Zealand Branch General Manager.

Does this mean as it says? I'm a little surprised that load factors or yeild would be the highest in the network.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 189):

SYD-AKL CI51 is also expected to be a contender for their first A350 route according to their staff

When do they get the first A350? Are the 744s coming back this year on the BNE run?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 10:10 am

Slightly less than serious post, someone on Facebook was proud of their NZ flag entry:

http://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-w...ance-to-decide/gallery/design/4665

I feel as though if we're going to spend $25 million to get DL flying here, we should at least use their current logo.

[Edited 2015-05-18 03:10:37]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 10:52 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 190):
When do they get the first A350? Are the 744s coming back this year on the BNE run?

2016. Their first one is msn 049. msn 26 will go to TAM in DEC 2015. msn 28 to CX in Feb 2016. I see msn 52 going to UL is for delivery in early 2017 so I expect we might have 2-3 by Summer 2016/7. The 747s haven't been confirmed again yet but still expecting them
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 1:51 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 186):
It really should have been a retro TEAL/Air NZ 77W I think.

Indeed. Or NAC red.   

I've got my fingers crossed that NGI or NGJ might be repainted into such a livery before their retirement. My hopes are kept alive by the fact that BA repainted G-CPET (their last 757) into a retro livery only a month or so before its retirement. Never say never...

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 183):
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Quoting coolian2 (Reply 191):
I feel as though if we're going to spend $25 million to get DL flying here, we should at least use their current logo.

  
I'm loving all the incredibly awful designs that many, many people seem to be coming up with. Not sure what I'm going to do come referendum time...vote for the worst design, in the hope that it wins and will make it unelectable against the current flag, or vote for the best design, incase that's actually what we end up with.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 189):

SYD-AKL CI51 is also expected to be a contender for their first A350 route according to their staff

Interesting. I'm game, if it happens!

[Edited 2015-05-18 07:49:44]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 2:30 pm

Nice artical about the A350 AND CI


China Airlines will receive 4 A350s in 2016, 6 in 2017, and 4 in 2018. The primary purpose of the A350 is to replace the fuel-guzzling A340-300. After the first delivery in 3Q 2016, CI will launch the A350 on the following long-haul routes:

Second Phase

Taipei-Taoyuan (TPE) to Auckland (AKL) via Sydney (SYD)
Taipei-Taoyuan (TPE) to Auckland (AKL) via Brisbane (BNE)

https://talkairlines.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/talkinterior-china-airlines-hints-airbus-a350-900xwb-cabin-design-and-outlines-route-plan/
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 7:11 pm

Another route from Sounds Air - and a big cheer or two for the Pilatus:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/68649311/sounds-air-links-wine-regions

"Sounds Air links wine regions

Sounds Air will be flying their Pilatus aircraft between Napier and Blenheim, two days a week, starting in August. The little pressurised plane is superpowered to fly at 30,000 feet, cruising at 500km per hour."


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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 9:30 pm

NZ CEO Christopher Luxon is just about to appear on Radio NZ National's Nine to Noon programme with Kathryn Ryan to discuss the airline's regional strategy post withdrawl from Kaitaia, Whakatane, Westport and Taupo.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 10:00 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 196):

NZ CEO Christopher Luxon is just about to appear on Radio NZ National's Nine to Noon programme with Kathryn Ryan to discuss the airline's regional strategy post withdrawl from Kaitaia, Whakatane, Westport and Taupo.

Taupo? They're still flying AKL-TUO twice daily according to their website.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Mon May 18, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 196):
NZ CEO Christopher Luxon is just about to appear on Radio NZ National's Nine to Noon programme with Kathryn Ryan to discuss the airline's regional strategy post withdrawl from Kaitaia, Whakatane, Westport and Taupo.

Interesting, although Luxon could openly sanction child slavery and it would be presented in a positive light by the New Zealand media.

What is in fact clear, is that NZ's regional strategy is for there not to be one. The routes don't make financial sense for NZ with a large infrastructure and fixed fleet, and are far better served by financially independent niche operators. No two regional markets in New Zealand are the same.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 158

Tue May 19, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 197):
Taupo? They're still flying AKL-TUO twice daily according to their website.

Air NZ dropped WLG-TUO - Sounds Are has picked it up, starting in June.

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