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AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:23 pm

AS announced this morning that it will begin LAX-Costa Rica service starting October 31, 2015!

Los Angeles-San Jose
8:40 a.m.
4:35 p.m.
Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat

San Jose-Los Angeles
5:35 p.m.
10:05 p.m.
Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat


Los Angeles-Liberia
8:50 a.m.
4:25 p.m.
Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun

Liberia-Los Angeles
5:25 p.m.
9:35 p.m.
Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun

In addition 1x daily LAX-BWI starts September 7th. (previously discussed in another thread)

Tomas in San Jose (California)

[Edited 2015-04-30 06:35:57]
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:04 pm

Surprised that they wouldn't offer a red eye schedule, as these times not only tie up an aircraft for an entire day, but also limit connectivity (even to the AS hubs at SEA and PDX).
 
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:06 pm

Wow, didn't see this coming! Chester is really spreading
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:08 pm

What terrible times on Costa Rica,

No feed/connection opportunity really and ties up and aircraft for all day.

Going to be wholly reliant and selling to local O&D. Good luck.
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:13 pm

Very bad times for connections to SJO. I guess its tailored only for LAX O/D. Was hoping to take Alaska from DCA or BWI to LAX and connect to SJO in December. I guess it's going to be Southwest from BWI or Avianca from IAD.
 
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:16 pm

New 540am SEA-LAX departure eff Aug 23rd almost makes it possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEA and LAX departures retimed by 10-15 minutes to make a SEA connection work.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Thread starter):

Los Angeles-San Jose
8:40 a.m.
4:35 p.m.
Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat

San Jose-Los Angeles
5:35 p.m.
10:05 p.m.
Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat


Los Angeles-Liberia
8:50 a.m.
4:25 p.m.
Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun

Liberia-Los Angeles
5:25 p.m.
9:35 p.m.
Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun

Those times are terrible. I suspect that if they keep that schedule, the route will fail since it exclusively depends on LAX O/D. If they overnight the airplane in Costa Rica, they could have connections to the entire AS network out of LAX. Lots of people from SEA/YVR/PDX/ANC are interested in warm weather destinations and Liberia is a tourist destination. Unfortunately the late arrival in to LAX doesn't support connections.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:23 pm

This seems like a route AA would've gone after. How easy it is to connect AA and AS passengers?
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 5):
New 540am SEA-LAX departure eff Aug 23rd almost makes it possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEA and LAX departures retimed by 10-15 minutes to make a SEA connection work.

What about return? AS planning a 2300 or later LAX-SEA?

They will be stuck trying to peddle flight solely to Angelenos.

Weird decision.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 4):
Was hoping to take Alaska from DCA or BWI to LAX and connect to SJO in December.

You can fly BWI-SJO on WN.
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:35 pm

Great for tourists and business travelers though and that is the traffic they are aiming for. The VFR traffic will also be glad. However it will completely reliant on O & D.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:36 pm

I think they should have made that LAX-Liberia and LAX-San Jose flights redeyes to maximize connectivity, even from up here in the PNW.

[Edited 2015-04-30 07:37:33]
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:45 pm

Congratulations to Alaska! And Again another blow to WN from a former under valued WN Network planner. Not only did they Add Costa Rica but added both popular cities.

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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 9):
You can fly BWI-SJO on WN.

Yes, and that's the plan right now. Was hoping to try Alaska (haven't flown with them yet).
 
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:04 pm

AS launch of new service to these two destinations from LAX is great. I hope AS will join Oneworld before the end of the year.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:15 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):

What about return? AS planning a 2300 or later LAX-SEA?

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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:21 pm

What will AS gain by adding BWI-SJO?? I'm lost with that one. I has hoping LAX-GUA would have come before SJO given the large O/D
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:28 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 16):
What will AS gain by adding BWI-SJO?? I'm lost with that one. I has hoping LAX-GUA would have come before SJO given the large O/D

Who is talking about AS adding SJO from BWI???? We are talking about connections from LAX to SJO and that BWI/DCA - LAX flights wont connect to the SJO flight.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:50 pm

HAHAHAHAHA I misread it and thought AS was adding BWI-SJO, my bad. Now it makes more sense.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):

Unfortunatly with those stage length of flights, there is not much else you can do. AS has rarely overnighted aircraft south of the border, which would be the only other option.
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:12 pm

19 replies and no mention of DL on an AS thread?

A-netters - you should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting nc3rd (Reply 7):
This seems like a route AA would've gone after. How easy it is to connect AA and AS passengers?

AA used to fly LAX-SJO and dropped it. It was a 757 red-eye out of LAX. Apparently, AA is not interested in maintaining the route.

Costa Rica has been rumored for a long time, but this one is still a bit surprising.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
AA used to fly LAX-SJO and dropped it. It was a 757 red-eye out of LAX. Apparently, AA is not interested in maintaining the route.

Personally - depending on what happens with fuel prices and AA's fortunes at LAX - I would not be surprised to see AA enter/reenter some of the LAX-Central America markets (SJO, SAL, GUA) in the future.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting md3 (Reply 15):

2:35am landing into SEA? Probably more painful than dealing with a redeye, especially if you want to go to work the next morning
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:24 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
What terrible times on Costa Rica,

What if AS can fill the plane with LAX locals while at the same time the total fare from PDX/SEA is no higher than from LAX? These timings to eliminate connections would make sense.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:24 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 23):
2:35am landing into SEA? Probably more painful than dealing with a redeye, especially if you want to go to work the next morning

We do it from ANC. They will live.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
I think they should have made that LAX-Liberia and LAX-San Jose flights redeyes to maximize connectivity, even from up here in the PNW.

SJO may have worked as a red-eye, but there are already red-eyes offered by DL to both SJO and LIR.

Here's the thing with LIR, most people are going to a resort, and if you get off a red-eye, you room's not going to be ready until mid-afternoon. This schedule will allow people to arrive and check-in, and will also allow departing guests to enjoy the morning at the hotel before having to check-out at noon.

I've done the 7am departure on CO to IAH from LIR, and it's a 4am wake up call plus upwards of an hour drive from some resorts like the Paradisus/Westin to the airport.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting phllax (Reply 26):
SJO may have worked as a red-eye, but there are already red-eyes offered by DL to both SJO and LIR.

Here's the thing with LIR, most people are going to a resort, and if you get off a red-eye, you room's not going to be ready until mid-afternoon. This schedule will allow people to arrive and check-in, and will also allow departing guests to enjoy the morning at the hotel before having to check-out at noon.

I've done the 7am departure on CO to IAH from LIR, and it's a 4am wake up call plus upwards of an hour drive from some resorts like the Paradisus/Westin to the airport.

Exactly. I can see this flight doing very well with vacation packages. Not everyone is ok with a red-eye. I don't want to start my vacation on 3 hours of sleep.

There's absolutely no reason to go head to head with DL's redeyes. SEA/PDX passengers can always fly AS to DFW and AA onward to Costa Rica. That is actually a more direct route.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 22):
Personally - depending on what happens with fuel prices and AA's fortunes at LAX - I would not be surprised to see AA enter/reenter some of the LAX-Central America markets (SJO, SAL, GUA) in the future.

I think AA plays a big part in why AS has chosen to fly to these new destinations out of LAX. As DL is marginalized and AA becomes a stronger partner with AS, I think you'll see them potentially working together more. Evidence is the lack of a SEA-CLT announcement by AS this week, chosing RDU, BNA and CHS instead. AA keeps SEA-CLT, AS gets SEA-JFK and LAX-Costa Rica. I'm sure this is all part of a bigger picture.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 28):
AS gets SEA-JFK and LAX-Costa Rica. I'm sure this is all part of a bigger picture.

I don't think AA is dropping SEA-JFK are they? AA dropped LAX-Costa Rica a long time ago, so it wasn't like they just did it in preparation for AS adding the route.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 5):
New 540am SEA-LAX departure eff Aug 23rd almost makes it possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEA and LAX departures retimed by 10-15 minutes to make a SEA connection work.

I suspect AS knows what they are doing here, SEA will have a connection both ways it seems, PDX not yet at least.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
They will be stuck trying to peddle flight solely to Angelenos.

Weird decision.

I think their plans for LAX are not yet fully realized & what looks odd by itself right now, may be more understandable as things unfold.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 23):
2:35am landing into SEA? Probably more painful than dealing with a redeye, especially if you want to go to work the next morning

That schedule reminds me of the HP flights via LAS at midnight, the PDX flight arrived at 3:35am for the longest time, oten times full. The SEA flight arrived just past 4am IIRC.

People used to travel at odd hours all the time decades ago, I can remember both EA & DL had a flight from SEA to PDX around 3-3:30am on L-1011's.

With airlines striving for bigger profits & as long as fuel stays in a realistic ballpark, IMO, we'll see more routes at later & earlier times, just so airlines can get one more leg out of each plane a day.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
I don't think AA is dropping SEA-JFK are they?

No, AA retains the AM SEA departure and PM JFK departure on SEA-JFK. It feeds the connections to the European flighs.

AS with the JFK redeye & AM return is just complimenting AA's schedule. The redeye will not have great yields, but it will 1) get more utiltization out of an otherwise idle plane and 2) not park another RON at SEA

The problem for AS is that it has basically three choices for transcon departure times:

1) Morning: 0800-0945 -- Evening: 1700-1900
2) Later afternoon: 1400-1600 -- RON, Morning: 0700-0900
3) Redeye: 2200-2330 -- Morning, 0700-0900

Anything other than that schedule is pretty bad for utilization. A later morning depature could work, but the return flight would arrive SEA after the last bank of QX connections so it would be relying almost entirely on SEA O&D except for the late night State of Alaska flights (only ANC and FAI, I believe).

Options 2&3 get the aircraft out of SEA which alleviates RON space constraints there. However, option 2 still has a RON in the outstation which is dead time (unless there is line MX, but I don't think that's true at any East Coast stations).
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:47 pm

You have to wonder what these guys are thinking? I suspect we will see a mass implosion as they withdraw from these markets during the industry turn down. Stick to what you do best.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:06 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 32):
You have to wonder what these guys are thinking? I suspect we will see a mass implosion as they withdraw from these markets during the industry turn down. Stick to what you do best.

AS is almost always right. I wouldn't have predicted most of their new routes like MCI, OMA, SAT etc, but apparenlthy they are all doing well.

I can count on one hand the routes that have started lately that only lasted a short time: SMF-GDL, PDX-ATL, PDX-MCO, LAX-SJC, LAX-RNO.

Everything else has been successful. I wouldn't knock AS's strategy. They seem to know what they are doing.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:21 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 32):
Stick to what you do best.

In the airline business one rule applies. Grow or die. AS has to grow south of the border, and within the range of its fleet. From LAX...that means as far south as PTY.

May take some time to get used to the market, but they will do fine.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:41 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 32):
Stick to what you do best.

You mean growing consistently and profitably? Isn't that exactly what they're doing right now?

In 2007, people with your mentality told AS they had no business flying to Hawaii. It now represents just over 20% of their ASMs.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:18 pm

Well guys/gals I think AS is way out on the limb and I would not hold my breath waiting see positive returns from this extension. We can all loo back two years from now and see how this turns out. I know there are lots of members here that think AS is bullet proof...we'll see.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
I can count on one hand the routes that have started lately that only lasted a short time: SMF-GDL, PDX-ATL, PDX-MCO, LAX-SJC, LAX-RNO.

Just a slight enhancement to your list of recently failed routes: DEN-ANC and PDX-LGB. (Altho I admit I don't know how long they op'd.)

Nothing huge but nevertheless... I agree that AS has a very good track record for only starting successful routes.

In fact, I'm trying to think of the last station AS pulled out of. La Paz, Baja perhaps?

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Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:46 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 37):

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
I can count on one hand the routes that have started lately that only lasted a short time: SMF-GDL, PDX-ATL, PDX-MCO, LAX-SJC, LAX-RNO.

Just a slight enhancement to your list of recently failed routes: DEN-ANC and PDX-LGB. (Altho I admit I don't know how long they op'd.)

Nothing huge but nevertheless... I agree that AS has a very good track record for only starting successful routes.

In fact, I'm trying to think of the last station AS pulled out of. La Paz, Baja perhaps?

bb

DEN-ANC was successful for many years. It wasn't a failure. YVR-ANC apparently failed though as it didn't last long. SEA-YXS lasted one month.

Actually LGB is the last station AS pulled out of. They pulled out of LAP twice.

SFO-CUN was another short lived route. Same with SFO-SAN and SJC-GEG and SJC-AUS.
 
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Fri May 01, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 38):
Actually LGB is the last station AS pulled out of. They pulled out of LAP twice.

Ahhh, I didn't realize that they had pulled completely out of LGB. (Haven't been paying enough attention I guess... Thnx for the correction, BG.)

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 38):
Same with SFO-SAN and SJC-GEG and SJC-AUS.

If we're going back a few years, then add SAN-YVR -- at least twice I believe, last pull-out was in '06 -- as well as SAN-GEG (again, I think twice, last time was in '07.)

And SAN-BOI has a similar record of QX-service as GEG, but AS is currently on that route (thanx in part to a subsidy by the Idaho end of the city-pair!)

But again, I'm still quite impressed with AAG's record of (lack of) axed routes, and cities.

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Fri May 01, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 31):
Options 2&3 get the aircraft out of SEA which alleviates RON space constraints there. However, option 2 still has a RON in the outstation which is dead time (unless there is line MX, but I don't think that's true at any East Coast stations).

About a third of the planes that RON in SEA don't have any maintenance scheduled, they just sit there.
 
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Fri May 01, 2015 2:52 am

Welcome Alaska Airlines to Costa Rica !




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Quoting rwsea (Reply 1):
Surprised that they wouldn't offer a red eye schedule,

DL LAX-SJO 7x weekly with 757 is operating since December 2013 and it's deploying the red-eye service into the southbound flight:

DL 1388....LAX 23:45........SJO 06:27+1............Daily..........757
DL 1396....SJO 09:10........LAX 14:30................Daily..........757

I've heard only good replies for this schedule allocation: properly timed for connections once in California, the only non-stop in such route, running on a daily basis and so on.
AV SJO-GUA-LAX is also avilable every day.




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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 9):
You can fly BWI-SJO on WN.

First flight: March 07, 2015.




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Quoting avi8 (Reply 16):
I has hoping LAX-GUA would have come before SJO given the large O/D

NK flew the LAX-GUA sector in 2007, but it didn't last too much.




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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
Costa Rica has been rumored for a long time, but this one is still a bit surprising.

A ticket office has been active in the capital city since 2010 or so.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):
AS has to grow south of the border, and within the range of its fleet. From LAX...that means as far south as PTY.

The PTY-LAX segment is well served by CM: three daily flights !

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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Fri May 01, 2015 4:20 am

Ridiculous times. I can't even take a first-in-the-morning SFO/SJC/OAK-LAX and make that connection. Catchment area is purely O&D. Seems ill-advised, because there's no good route from anywhere in California to Costa Rica right now w/o doing two sides of a triangle.
 
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Fri May 01, 2015 5:07 am

These are all seats that could be flying to SEA, AS is trying to diversify? I mean what is riskier BWI-LAX or SEA-CHS/RDU/BNA, whos to say, all kind of different routes compared to the Alaska of five years ago.

Looks like AS is showing some new focus on LAX, I can see some logic here if their long term partner is AA. LAX has gotten pretty competitive here and maybe AS thinks they can get carriers off of a few routes or something. AS is pretty strong at LAX especially to vacation destinations. I guess lets see how this goes.
 
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Fri May 01, 2015 5:24 am

Quoting blueheronNC (Reply 42):

The good news is the catchment area is the second largest city in the United states.
 
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Fri May 01, 2015 6:52 am

Quoting blueheronNC (Reply 42):
Ridiculous times. I can't even take a first-in-the-morning SFO/SJC/OAK-LAX and make that connection.

All due respect, the planning department probably understands that; while AS would love your business, you're clearly not in the primary targeted markets.

These flights are geared toward L.A.basin O&D, with the hope of also getting connections from ANC and SEA.
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Fri May 01, 2015 10:27 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):

There is no such thing as "grow or die". In fact it's more like "grow too fast and die". No airline went out of business because they didn't grow enough.
 
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Fri May 01, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting MVAair (Reply 46):
There is no such thing as "grow or die". In fact it's more like "grow too fast and die". No airline went out of business because they didn't grow enough.

I can think of a few. PA shrank itself to oblivion for example, after years of being successful while growing.
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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Fri May 01, 2015 12:57 pm

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RE: AS To Start LAX-Costa Rica And LAX-BWI Service

Fri May 01, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting MVAair (Reply 46):
There is no such thing as "grow or die". In fact it's more like "grow too fast and die". No airline went out of business because they didn't grow enough.

I think Island Air is going to prove you wrong.

Quoting blueheronNC (Reply 42):
Ridiculous times. I can't even take a first-in-the-morning SFO/SJC/OAK-LAX and make that connection. Catchment area is purely O&D. Seems ill-advised, because there's no good route from anywhere in California to Costa Rica right now w/o doing two sides of a triangle.

Yes...I agree and I hope AS will figure that out. Even if they made that flight a redeye out of LAX, they would increase their connectivity by orders of magnitude, especially as through-flights to SEA. As it stands now, you have to stay at LAX for 1 night each way. Avianca (previously TACA/LACSA) is more convenient.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 38):
SFO-CUN was another short lived route. Same with SFO-SAN and SJC-GEG and SJC-AUS.

Don't forget SJC-LAX, but I think QX got forced out with way too much competition. Everyone and their mother flew that route. A lot of that has been cut back. Also, SJC-SMF...Does that count? Does QX still fly the SJC-RNO route?

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