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TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 12:34 pm

I noticed that AA is issuing legacy carrier amenity kits, including a TWA amenity kit (which, as far as I can tell, is a white bag with red double stripes).

There was a thread about a year ago about a possible TWA retro jet:

Plans For A TWA Retro Jet Announced. (by IFlyTWA Dec 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5948918&searchid=5950837&s=TWA+retro#ID5950837

Did that ever happen? Is there any chance that a TWA retro jet will be forthcoming?

I've heard tell that the TWA-AA merger was "messy" and that TWO employees were not happy about being acquired by AA. Is there still some lingering bad blood at AA that has delayed a TWO retro jet?
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 1:12 pm

It's expected later this year.
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 5:11 pm

Any idea on what a/c type it is supposed to be on?
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 5:13 pm

738 unless plans have changed.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 5:15 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 3):
738 unless plans have changed.

Probably a 60´s 707 color scheme ....I would guess
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 5:17 pm

Yes, there will be a 739 retrojet for TWA. Double stripes and red tail will be the TWA scheme used.
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 5:30 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 5):
es, there will be a 739 retrojet for TWA. Double stripes and red tail will be the TWA scheme used.

AA 739? You know something we don't?  
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 5:30 pm

It wasn't a merger it was a flat out buy out...And all those TWA employees that are bitter for being put at the bottom of the seniority list were able to complain about that because AA bought them when if they didn't they would have been new hires everywhere else...
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 8:24 pm

Any idea on what scheme the Air Cal (or hopefully Air California) jet will be?
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Tue May 05, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 8):

Any idea on what scheme the Air Cal (or hopefully Air California) jet will be?

Consensus is it will be the AirCal look. Sadly the SunJet livery won't appear according to those in the know.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 1:53 am

All LAA heritage jets will be painted on Boeing 737-800's . The TWA retro jet will be the first introduced this summer .
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 2:43 am

Sad its not on a 763, 752 or even a M80...Types that actually operated for TWA, the 763 and 752 will be in the fleet for a time to come so why not...Just wishful thinking!
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 2:53 am

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 11):

Sad its not on a 763, 752 or even a M80...Types that actually operated for TWA, the 763 and 752 will be in the fleet for a time to come so why not...Just wishful thinking!

Whole point of a retrojet is to paint it on a type that never flew that livery.

I liked the final TWA scheme best, but the red stripes will also look great. I just wish they'd do them on something like a 787 or a 77W. TWA's was a grand scheme that spoke of a grand airline. It should grace a grand plane.
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Wed May 06, 2015 2:55 am

The 60's/early 70s double globe livery would be THE BEST and look amazing on a 757. But apparently no one asked someone with EYES.
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Whole point of a retrojet is to paint it on a type that never flew that livery.

I liked the final TWA scheme best, but the red stripes will also look great. I just wish they'd do them on something like a 787 or a 77W. TWA's was a grand scheme that spoke of a grand airline. It should grace a grand plane.

That's why I said "wishful" thinking, still would be nice to see the old Mid 70's to 95 scheme on one regardless. Yes the 95 to 2001 scheme was very nice  
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

Whole point of a retrojet is to paint it on a type that never flew that livery.

I never knew that. Interesting!

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 13):
The 60's/early 70s double globe livery would be THE BEST and look amazing on a 757.

Yep, that was my favorite, even though the last TW livery looked very good.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 4:36 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
I never knew that. Interesting!

It's not a hard-and-fast rule, but it is a rule of thumb. There are definitely exceptions: for example, US had an HP retrojet on an A320, but what else were they going to use?

And LH's retrojet is on a 747, even though 747s have worn that livery before. Admittedly, the 747-8i is a very different machine from the 747 Classic.

But usually retrojets are painted onto more modern types that didn't exist when the livery was in use. Obviously, that gets tougher as time goes on and the 737 approaches a half century in service...
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 6:15 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
US had an HP retrojet on an A320, but what else were they going to use?

US had all their retro jets on A319s. But your point is still valid. The new US retro jet is an A321 though.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 8:50 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):

It's not a hard-and-fast rule, but it is a rule of thumb. There are definitely exceptions

And BA had their retro Landor livery re-applied to the 757 just before phasing them out
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 11:36 am

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 13):
The 60's/early 70s double globe livery would be THE BEST
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Yep, that was my favorite,

Hands down, just about the best airline livery in history! How many movies and TV shows during the 60's & early 70's had scenes with beautiful 707's in the double-globe arrowhead scheme?
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Wed May 06, 2015 1:07 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 7):
It wasn't a merger it was a flat out buy out...And all those TWA employees that are bitter for being put at the bottom of the seniority list were able to complain about that because AA bought them when if they didn't they would have been new hires everywhere else

Clearly AMR saw value in TWA or they would not have "flat out bought them". AMR is/was not a charity, and a part of that value would be the employees that made TWA something worth purchasing.

Except for some bad turns of events, (none of which were the fault of the employees), it could just as easily have been TWA purchasing AMR. It is the luck of the draw, and it is just chance that one might end up under a raider baron like Carl Icahn vs. a visionary like Bob Crandall.

Sadly, in the US, labour laws do not protect employees under such scenarios.

But, back to the point at hand ...

This was always my favourite TWA livery, but in its first draft. Namely with the "Trans World" only in an outline ...


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It was designed that way so that the airline name could be seen when close, like at a gate or take-off lineup, but could not be seen from far away. That kept the basic design clean and modern.
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Thu May 07, 2015 12:03 am

StarStream livery, please. Thankyouverymuch. 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Thu May 07, 2015 2:13 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 20):
It is the luck of the draw, and it is just chance that one might end up under a raider baron like Carl Icahn vs. a visionary like Bob Crandall.

Unfortunately for TWA, it wasn't "just chance". Robert Crandall was originally with TWA, but after he was passed over for a promotion that ultimately went to Ed Meyer, he left the airline; after a brief stint at Bloomingdale's, he joined American.

If TWA management had recognized Crandall's talents, he would never have joined American, and the fate of the two airlines would have been much different.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Thu May 07, 2015 2:40 pm

The only way TWA with Crandal would have bought AA if Carl Ichon was their CEO....STL is no DFW...The value was STL as a connecting hub to help with the O/D at ORD & DFW that was it's value.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Thu May 07, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 22):
Unfortunately for TWA, it wasn't "just chance". Robert Crandall was originally with TWA, but after he was passed over for a promotion that ultimately went to Ed Meyer, he left the airline; after a brief stint at Bloomingdale's, he joined American.

If TWA management had recognized Crandall's talents, he would never have joined American, and the fate of the two airlines would have been much different.

So ... do you think that is the fault of the employees?
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Thu May 07, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 9):
Consensus is it will be the AirCal look. Sadly the SunJet livery won't appear according to those in the know.

Agreed. I liked the original Sunjet livery with the black over the flight deck windows the best. The AirCal scheme and re-branding was a huge step backwards in my opinion.
 
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RE: TWA Retro Jet?

Thu May 07, 2015 4:25 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 24):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 22):Unfortunately for TWA, it wasn't "just chance". Robert Crandall was originally with TWA, but after he was passed over for a promotion that ultimately went to Ed Meyer, he left the airline; after a brief stint at Bloomingdale's, he joined American.

If TWA management had recognized Crandall's talents, he would never have joined American, and the fate of the two airlines would have been much different.
So ... do you think that is the fault of the employees?

It was not the fault of the public contact employees. It was, however, a huge mistake made by the executives at 605 Third Avenue.

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