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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 8:41 am

Quoting Matt6461 (Reply 48):
why not add frequency instead of upgauging?

Because, for some long, thick routes, more frequency is counter productive as it costs more and does not generate any extra profit.

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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 8:46 am

While we are at it, may we see a "regional" version of the 380 (be it 388 and/or 389), for flights uf up to 4-5 hrs in Asia?

The 389 (NEOised of course) would be a killer at EK, QR and SQ.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 8:51 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 49):
LH - 50/50 with B779 on order probably not.

they have 40 A346/744 to replace. Their ordered 779x and their options would only be enough in a zero growth scenario.

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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 9:09 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 49):
QF - Probably not QF is more than likely going to order A350's

I'm not sure I'd say "more than likely" when they've shown close to zero interest (publicly at least).
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 52):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 49):
LH - 50/50 with B779 on order probably not.

they have 40 A346/744 to replace. Their ordered 779x and their options would only be enough in a zero growth scenario.

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How many A380 frames have LH deferred / cancelled?

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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 10:01 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 49):
CX - Doubtful

Maybe not, as a Regional version would be relevant to them. And on night flights to Europe, that would avoid the need to operate some flights at close intervals.

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SQ - Possible A388 replacement

Or, also as an upgauge on some current 388 flights, with existing frames to be cascaded on some highly-loaded flights currently operated with 77Ws.

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EK - 110% launch carrier

I'd even say 200%  
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QR - Possible

More than possible, as they have to operate with capacity constrains in quite many countries and airports

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QF - Probably not QF is more than likely going to order A350's

The 389 could nicely feed the EK hub at DXB, once current Australian destinations of EK/QF (SYD, MEL, ADL, PER) get their 3 direct daily flights (besides those taging-on from SE Asia)

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TG - Doubtful

Maybe not, as their 388s have good loadings. A Regional version would be quite relevant for TG.

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MH - Definietly not in the process offloading current fleet of 6 x A380's

Not now for sure, but who knows in 10 yrs' time?

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BA - Possible

Even with a 3rd runway, LHR will remain congested, so BA will have to follow the trend of its ME and Asian competitors

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LH - 50/50 with B779 on order probably not.

Never say never... FRA won't be extendable forever, and upgauges will be required. Those 389s could also displace some of the current 388s to MUC and ZRH.

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AF - 50/50

In this decade, unlikely to order further 380s, but prospects should be better in the next decade. Espacially of those Asian destinations where they (will) operate 2 daily flights.

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VS - Doubtful considering they continue to defer their current order.

Agreed, sadly.

IB would also be a good candidate to replace its 346s on its busiest Latam routes (MEX, EZE, SCL, GRU)

TK also, and that would enable them to offer a lower-density J cabin, with full privacy and full aisle access

CA, MU and CZ probably too

EY is lagging behind QR and EK, but once AUH Midlfield terminal is completed, they will have more room to operate more flights. That means either opening a 3rd connecting bank (for frequency increases) or starting new destinations or a mix of both options. While more frequency will at a first stage mean more 350/787s, it will in the end mean higher loadings on existing connecting flights, and later on, make the case for more 380s stronger...
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 10:45 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
I think you would see QF operate an A380-900 on their SYD/MEL-LAX routes and use the A380NEO on LHR/HKG/DFW and potentially BNE-LAX routes in the future.

Australia is one country that works well with the A380. Long routes with large passenger loads.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 11:03 am

Quoting Unflug (Reply 42):
No more 747-8s will be arriving and the 777-9s will replace the 747-8s,

No the 747-8s will stay for a while 777-9X will mainly replacae 747-430s and maybe A340-600s as well.
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 11:35 am

Quoting columba (Reply 57):
No the 747-8s will stay for a while 777-9X will mainly replacae 747-430s and maybe A340-600s as well

Correct, bad wording from my part. My point was that the 777-9s will not replace any 380 at LH.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 11:51 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 53):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 49):
QF - Probably not QF is more than likely going to order A350's

I'm not sure I'd say "more than likely" when they've shown close to zero interest (publicly at least).

your right in saying I shouldn't say "more than likely", personaly I'd like to see the remaining 8 x A380 frames materialise. In regard to QF not showing interest the airline is currently evaluating the A350.

Qantas mulls Airbus A350, Boeing 777X to replace Boeing 747s

Source: http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-mulls...boeing-777x-to-replace-boeing-747s

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 55):
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SQ - Possible A388 replacement

Or, also as an upgauge on some current 388 flights, with existing frames to be cascaded on some highly-loaded flights currently operated with 77Ws.

Agreed & at the rate SQ rotate their fleet an A389 should be available when SQ is offloading their A388's.

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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 5:50 pm

Quoting Unflug (Reply 58):
My point was that the 777-9s will not replace any 380 at LH.

And the way LH uses airplanes replacing their A380's won't occur until 2030+ which doesn't work well for AB.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 60):
And the way LH uses airplanes replacing their A380's won't occur until 2030+ which doesn't work well for AB.

Only under the assumption that the A380 isn't offered in 2030+...
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting Unflug (Reply 42):
No more 747-8s will be arriving and the 777-9s will replace the 747-8s, not the 380s. It is correct that LH will not currently order any 380s, but if time comes for replacement they most probably will order them again.

Don't they have 20 options for the B 747-8 still?
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 62):
Don't (LH) have 20 options for the B 747-8 still?

No, the purchase rights have been cancelled. Assumption is they were transferred to cover the 20 777-9 they have on order.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting flyAUA (Reply 30):
Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):What's the difference between the A380-900 and the A380 NEOTo be honest, if they make an A380-900 I am pretty damn sure it will not be a CEO. A stretch would be much more commercially viable if NEO'd and fine-tuned aerodynamics wise. The extra effort that would go into making a stretch also a NEO is in my opinion "relatively" small compared to the benefit. But this is just my opinion, only time will tell

The Question IS? If the A380 is only selling in small bites? Then Why would ANY airline other than EK find them that Attractive??
Right now? I see no evidence they're selling out on ANY major Trunk line anywhere in the world and with Used ones coming on the market?
If they wanted to have the engines replaced?? They could. And at a discount as well..
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Fri May 08, 2015 8:49 pm

as much as I love the A380 from a pax standpoint, I think we should stop using the "CX interested in 389" line

that comment was made eons ago when the 380 had a decently bright future and no such thing as 779 existed, and is as irrelevant today as the age-old CO comment about how they wanted to fly EWR-BLR with the 787.
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Sat May 09, 2015 1:00 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 65):

The comment was made in late 2010 which I will agree is not "fresh". The biggest problem CX had with the current 388 though was cargo space which hasn't changed.

The role though that the 779 will play for the airline is not that different with the role that the 77W plays now. It's like having a 77W+15%. Not something that can cover what an A389 could do for CX.

I m not overly familiar with their route structure and load factors of the airline but if Airbus solved the cargo problem and made the package a bit more long term interesting for an airline of that size to invest in, I could totally see them going for it.

More generally speaking some notions have been twisted out of proportion I think. Yes we have gone through countless threads of the quads vs twins saga but it's not an absolute term and rule for each and every airline. It's not like when evaluating a potential A389 the guys at CX would say something like: "Well yeah we have routes to fill and the CASM is better and we have F clientele to sell seats...but those darn 4 engines spoil the show "      
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Sat May 09, 2015 3:28 am

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 55):
IB would also be a good candidate to replace its 346s on its busiest Latam routes (MEX, EZE, SCL, GRU)

If IB launches the 380 to MEX, I bet at least LH will upgrade the metal or AF...the market is there...

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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Sat May 09, 2015 4:43 am

How many A380s does AF have? LH?

I suppose BA will eventually have up to 25-30. They had 57 B747-400s so 19 A380s are not enough for their ultra busy routes
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Sat May 09, 2015 5:47 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 63):
20 777-9 they have on order.

All official LH statements even recent ones speak from 34 on order...
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Sat May 09, 2015 6:35 am

How many A380 options AF and LH have?
 
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RE: Potential Customers For The A380-900?

Sat May 09, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 69):
All official LH statements even recent ones speak from 34 on order...

For the moment they have only paid deposits to Boeing for 20, which is the number Boeing currently shows on order for them.

I am of the opinion the MoU is for 34 and that LH transferred the deposits on the 20 747-8 purchase rights to cover the initial 20 and will firm the other 14 when they line-up financing for all of 34.

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