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FlyChicago | ORD+MDW Aviation Thread

Thu May 07, 2015 1:32 am

I didn't see a thread for Chicago aviation so I thought it would be a good idea to make one so we can keep up with what is going on in the area.

Some new things going on at ORD:

- EK206/235 equipment has switched from a 77L to a 77W on May 1.
- F9 will be adding AUS, LAX, RDU, and SFO, bringing their total destination count to 20.
- NK added daily service to PHL and SAN, and resumed seasonal service to BOS, ACY, and PDX.
- AA is starting 788 DFW-ORD-DFW service tomorrow, May 7.
- AA's ORD-NRT flight will change from a 772 to a 788 on August 18.
- L10 is the dedicated AA 787 gate right now
- ORD is looking to support A380s

Hope we can keep this one going  Smile

[Edited 2015-05-06 19:19:04]
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:15 am

Thanks rta
Agree this was missing.

Today ORD had a special visitor. The "Chicago Aviation Fans" reported that the President of Philippines came on board PAL A343 (RP-C3438).
I hope someone was able to get a picture.
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting rta (Thread starter):
- AA is starting 788 DFW-ORD-DFW service tomorrow, May 7.
- AA's ORD-NRT flight will change from a 772 to a 788 on August 18.

Kudos to AA for bringing the 787 here. Wish UA would  
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:24 am

I agree! You would think they'd bring it to their largest hub and HQ, but I guess not. Understandably, the plane may not currently meet the mission profile for flights in/out of Chicago. Hopefully they do bring it soon, though.
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:31 am

ORD seems like its picking up momentum after stagnation post-recession, thanks to ULCC and growth of international flying.
-UA mainline now operates to new cities(IND, MSN, ATL, SAT, SLC...)
-EVA looking to launch in 2016
-AS 4x to SEA
-UA to FCO and DUB
-AA mainline to STL, EWR, MCI, ATL, SAT
-Both AA and UA rebanking at the end of March

Also, passenger number grew 10% this March, on top of 5% March 2014. It's mostly domestic, so I'm wondering how much of this is Spirit and F9. YTD traffic is up 10% also.
http://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollec...ic%20Data/0315%20ORD%20SUMMARY.pdf

Anyone know the status of the Peotone Airport now, after Rauner became governor?
Also, I recall seing a TK 77W on the flightradar24 a few days ago, can anyone confirm this?

Wish list:
Oslo and Rekjavik on UA 757s
Buenos Aires
Jetblue small focus 15-20 fpd to Florida
Doug Parker following through on his comments about AA trying at ORD again...
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:34 am

Thanks for starting this thread. Since we are on the subject of O'Hare, does anyone know what the taxiway LL project entails? I've tried finding info online and had no luck.
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 4):
-AA mainline to STL

Not sure I understand this one - AA has had mainline on this route for as long as I can remember. In fact, regional flying wasn't even allowed until a few years ago since STL was still classified as a hub in the pilot's contract and their scope did not allow regional flying between hubs.
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 4:21 am

Quoting icareflies (Reply 1):
Today ORD had a special visitor. The "Chicago Aviation Fans" reported that the President of Philippines came on board PAL A343 (RP-C3438).
I hope someone was able to get a picture.

I work for Wintrust on the 7th floor right outside of Ohare. As I looked out the window I knew I had seen the Philippine Air Lines jet!!!!!!!!!!! I so would have taken a picture but I was caught up in a moment of true utter shock as I saw the half sun on the tail pass me by!!!!
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Thu May 07, 2015 4:45 am



This is from my great friend Roy Vasquez as @chexp77w.

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RE: FlyChicago | ORD+MDW Aviation Thread

Thu May 07, 2015 5:00 am

Wow, already a lot of good information in this thread!
Thanks all for sharing.  
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 5:08 am

I fly into ORD all the time via NH. I originally had my huge issues with this hub but nowadays it's a total breeze.

Can't wait to see whats up with this thread 

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Thu May 07, 2015 5:23 am

ORDFlyer99,

Icelandair used to fly to Iceland from ORD on DC-8 many years ago. Why can't Icelandiar bring it back to Chicago service? Not United flights start. Maybe United can use partners with Icelandair someday.

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Thu May 07, 2015 9:52 am

There's 3 airlines in talks with ORD about S16.

OS looking at bringing the 777 in during Sept/Oct.

Quoting kordcj (Reply 5):
does anyone know what the taxiway LL project entails?

Massive taxiway realignment at the busiest section of ORD between T5 and T3. It's a 2 year project that just started.
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 1:25 pm

For those interested, we have a burgeoning Facebook group dedicated to Chicago Aviation fans and it is very collaborative. Many of us from ANET share news, photos and other details on the page.

Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/698296610181764/
 
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RE: FlyChicago | ORD+MDW Aviation Thread

Thu May 07, 2015 2:42 pm

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 4):
Wish list:
Buenos Aires

Since Argentina continues is century long decline with no end in sight, I don't see this happening...

But with Peru and Colombia's growing economy, I am looking forward to ORD-LIM or ORD-BOG on UA or AV. Connecting Star Alliance hubs...
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 2:51 pm

I've been trying to get this question answered for a while and no luck so far. Maybe someone on this thread might know.

Will 787s fit in the C-odd or B gates, other than B16 and B17?

If the 787 is truly going to be a 767 replacement, they're going to have to be able to use the gates and facilities that the 767s use at airports where 777/747 gates are limited.
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 15):
Will 787s fit in the C-odd or B gates, other than B16 and B17?

When UA was flying it in, I saw it at many different gates on C even side, I don't ever recall seeing at a C odd gate or Lower B gates, I'm not sure if it can go through the North to the South port.
 
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RE: FlyChicago | ORD+MDW Aviation Thread

Thu May 07, 2015 3:26 pm

Does anyone know the status of 10R/28L (the far southern runway, aka the 5th parallel runway? Is it still scheduled to open this Fall? I know the rerouting of Irving Park Rd. and the RR was completed already...

Google maps hasn't been updated in a while for ORD, they still show 10C/28C under construction and that runway is already operational.

In other news, the construction contract for the Phase 1 of the Consolidated Rental Car Facility and extension of the ATS was awarded this week! I am looking forward to all of the car rental buses to disappear from the dropoff areas!

http://www.flychicago.com/business/E.../pages/NewsDetail.aspx?ItemID=1177

[Edited 2015-05-07 08:26:35]
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 17):
Does anyone know the status of 10R/28L (the far southern runway, aka the 5th parallel runway?

It will open this Fall, mostly used in East Flow ops. Rwy 32R/14L will close.
 
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Thu May 07, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 4):

Would love to see DY/DU on OSL-ORD.
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Thu May 07, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 18):

It will open this Fall, mostly used in East Flow ops. Rwy 32R/14L will close.

Does anyone know if/when 32L/14R is due to close? Last I had read, the IL general assembly was proposing a law to allow the number of runways at ORD to increase to 10 so that the city couldn't close the 32/14 set. I believe it was called the fair runway use act or something silly like that. While it'd be cool to see the LAHSO procedures back in full effect at the airport, I'd rather see the field gain operational efficiency.
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Thu May 07, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting kordcj (Reply 20):
Last I had read, the IL general assembly was proposing a law to allow the number of runways at ORD to increase to 10 so that the city couldn't close the 32/14 set.

If the law passes then they won't be required to close 32R.

Quoting kordcj (Reply 20):
Does anyone know if/when 32L/14R is due to close?

32L will be open until they start the 9C/27C project, it will be renumbered to 15/33 sometime next year. The only LAHSO operations you might see is 28C LAHSO of AA to allow arrivals from 28L to get back to the terminal, as of right now there isn't a lot of plans to use 28L for arrivals as it will shut off 22L dep.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 21):

If the law passes then they won't be required to close 32R.

Was the plan always to close 32R first? I thought it was the other way around.

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 21):
32L will be open until they start the 9C/27C project, it will be renumbered to 15/33 sometime next year. The only LAHSO operations you might see is 28C LAHSO of AA to allow arrivals from 28L to get back to the terminal, as of right now there isn't a lot of plans to use 28L for arrivals as it will shut off 22L dep.

With 28L online, how critical is it that 22L be available for departures? Interesting that they don't have a lot of plans for the runway, especially given that west flow is the predominant mode of operation.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 12):
Massive taxiway realignment at the busiest section of ORD between T5 and T3. It's a 2 year project that just started.

Thanks for answering
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Fri May 08, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 17):
In other news, the construction contract for the Phase 1 of the Consolidated Rental Car Facility and extension of the ATS was awarded this week!

Thanks for posting that, United787. The link answers some of the questions I had about that project.
I've been looking for progress in that corner of the field as I fly in and out of O'Hare recently and I haven't seen a thing.

Anyone know when is the project expected to be completed? I thought I had read 2016 some time ago, but that seems unlikely with the first contracts just now being awarded.

Also, what happens to the former site of the rental car agencies? More parking?

Quoting United787 (Reply 17):
I am looking forward to all of the car rental buses disappearing from the dropoff areas!

   I will not miss the ride in shuttle buses to hotels or rental care agencies, always in bad weather -because otherwise I wouldn't have missed/had cancelled my connecting flight   . Relieved to hear of an improved ATS (people-mover system). There's going to be times of extreme passenger volumes, but still, should be better than shuttle buses in traffic.

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Fri May 08, 2015 11:28 am

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 16):
I'm not sure if it can go through the North to the South port

It's official...the 787s do NOT fit in the T1 north port. They'll have the same gate restrictions as the 777s. Definitely not the perfect 767 replacement as originally advertised since the 767s fit in about a dozen gates that the 787 can't use.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 1:31 pm

Quoting kordcj (Reply 22):
With 28L online, how critical is it that 22L be available for departures? Interesting that they don't have a lot of plans for the runway, especially given that west flow is the predominant mode of operation.

In west flow 22L and 28R will still be the primary dept rwy when the new 28L opens. Right the now the plan on east flow is to arrive 10R, 10C and 9L and have dept on 9R and 10L that both will be free roll and wont be arriving and dept 9R.

[Edited 2015-05-08 06:39:12]
 
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Sat May 09, 2015 1:23 pm

Cargo shipments at O'Hare increased 28% in the first quarter compared to the first quarter in 2014 primarily due to the West Coast labor dispute. Cargo handlers overwhelmed.

"International shipments jumped 35 percent to 346,713 tons in the quarter versus the same period last year, while domestic growth showed an 8 percent gain to 105,429 tons. The tonnage accounts for both imports and exports and includes freight, mail and express packages."

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...895/cargo-shipments-surge-at-ohare
 
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Sat May 09, 2015 1:46 pm

Not technically Chicago, but Chicagoland. Has GYY finished their runway extension?
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Sat May 09, 2015 1:55 pm

Has GYY finished their runway extension?

Not yet. The railroad embankment has been removed. Dirt work and electrical being done now.
 
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Sat May 09, 2015 5:16 pm

Just to point out - it has been while since i entered the US via ORD, and with the new self service kiosk it was an absolute breeze.

T5 is also looking good; definitely a much needed make over. Still not winning any awards, but al least enough work to keep up with the "average" world class airport

On that subject has anyone used http://mobilepassport.us -yet supposed to be available at ORD

[Edited 2015-05-09 10:17:30]
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Sat May 09, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 29):
Chicago has a new Aviation commissioner.

She took a nearly 30% pay cut to run the DoA. Either she must be a big fan of ORD/MDW or working for MWAA was an awful place to be. I don't envy her position for the upcoming gate rental negotiations. Hopefully UA/AA won't be getting another 25 year sweetheart deal.
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Sun May 10, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting kordcj (Reply 31):

I doubt it but then again.... they are keeping the hub for many years to come because Chicago is an important hub to serves
 
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Sun May 10, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 18):
It will open this Fall, mostly used in East Flow ops. Rwy 32R/14L will close.

There is legislation pending in the state legislature to keep the northwest-southeast runways open. Residents of Chicago, who never complained about the noise like suburbanites, are now finding that with the primary east-west configuration of traffic, they are hearing a lot more aircraft noise, and they aren't happy.

They are finding much help from Mayor Emmanuel, so they have been after members of the legislature, as well as Members of Congress who represent areas of the City immediately east of ORD.

I know pilots who have been concerned that strong winds from the north and northwest will present operational issues, since 4L-22R and 4R-22L are among the shorter runways at ORD. They would like to see 14L-32R remain open, since it's about 10,000 feet long.
 
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Sun May 10, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting bravogolf (Reply 28):

How viable is GYY as a third Chicago airport?

Its about as close to downtown as Dulles is to DC.
 
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Sun May 10, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 27):
Has GYY finished their runway extension?
Quoting bravogolf (Reply 28):
The railroad embankment has been removed. Dirt work and electrical being done now.

Courtesy: Northwest Indiana Times

Gary Airport Project On Schedule For June Takeoff

http://www.nwitimes.com/business/gar...2-f5e3-5a70-ab03-7b257ce95387.html
 
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Sun May 10, 2015 11:32 pm

Check out AA flight 51 right now, It's a 77W on its way to DFW from O'Hare. Is this a test flight?
 
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Mon May 11, 2015 12:16 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 34):
How viable is GYY as a third Chicago airport?

Personally I think it has potential. The population of Chicagoland extends into northern Indiana and southern Michigan. And some of the areas have $$$.

If any major carrier serves this airport in the future, it will probably be Delta. MSP, DTW and ATL x3 each will give the area better options,

But...who knows?
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Mon May 11, 2015 12:32 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 36):
Check out AA flight 51 right now, It's a 77W on its way to DFW from O'Hare. Is this a test flight?

LHR-DFW diversion.

On another note, If I can, I'll post up the proposed A380 layout.
 
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Mon May 11, 2015 1:16 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 37):

This is very true. Southern parts of Lake County, IN are very wealthy. Things will start out with cargo, and hopefully transition into commercial. MDW has no room to grow, so this could be a very viable alternative for WN. It's also close to downtown, making it perfect for tourists. However, if Allegiant couldn't make it work, then who can?

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 38):

Too bad. Wasn't AA planning on running test flights with the plane to ORD in preparation for permanent service?
 
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Mon May 11, 2015 2:01 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 36):
Check out AA flight 51 right now, It's a 77W on its way to DFW from O'Hare. Is this a test flight?

Diversion due to storms at DFW. All the passengers actually cleared immigration/customs at ORD before eventually continuing on to DFW.
 
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Mon May 11, 2015 4:20 am

I don't really see any viability in GYY other than an increase in general aviation perhaps?
UA and AA won't start service as they don't even serve MDW.
DL has a considerable operation at both MDW and ORD, and opening GYY may oversaturate their market in the area. Besides, if they had intentions of flying to Gary, I think they would have already be there.
NK and F9 seem content at ORD, to where F9 recently relocated themselves from MDW and began a substantial operation.
I'm sure JetBlue would like to expand, but I don't think they are desperate enough to leave Chicagoland's premium airport to set up shop at modest GYY; same goes for Virgin America.
WN won't leave MDW for GYY, and I doubt would serve GYY before ORD if they were to serve two airports in the Chicago area.
Allegiant canceled its service to GYY a year or two back so a return in the near future seems bleak, especially after being banned by the FAA from starting new routes (there is a forum on this).
Bottom line is if airports like GYY and RFD were meant to have regular airline service, there would be airlines already flying into them. I think MDW and ORD get the job done and efforts right now should be focused on expanding terminals at ORD instead of hoping of attracting airlines to smaller airports in the area.
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Mon May 11, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 33):
There is legislation pending in the state legislature to keep the northwest-southeast runways open

This is true, it hasn't passed yet until it does ORD is restricted to 8 RWYs. Keeping it open also wont reduce noise as landing on the 32s is inefficient, it will help with strong north winds. 32R/14L is an RNAV only approach now, they are taking the equipment for the new 10R/28L.
 
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Mon May 11, 2015 4:40 pm

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 42):
This is true, it hasn't passed yet until it does ORD is restricted to 8 RWYs. Keeping it open also wont reduce noise as landing on the 32s is inefficient, it will help with strong north winds.

I have never understood why the master plan calls for getting rid of 32R yet keeping 4L. 32R, IMO, is far, far more useful than 4L ever could be in 99% of any wind/weather condition. If the winds are so strong out of the north or south that none of the east-west parallels are usable, a combination of 4R/22L and 32R/14L would be much better than parallel 4s or 22s.

With strong north winds, you could land 4R and depart 32R. 32R is also long enough to accommodate almost every heavy jet...unlike 4L or 4R. With strong south winds, you could land 14L and depart 22L and if you absolutely needed a longer runway, you could make a gap in the 14L final to accommodate a departure. With only the 4s to pick from, many long-haul heavies would be SOL.

In low IFR weather with a west flow, you could land 28L, 28C and 27L while departing 28R and 32R. The nice thing about 32R is you have automatic course divergence built in so you can roll in the 27L arrival gaps with no other restrictions. To depart 28R in low IFR, you can't roll if the 28C arrival is inside a 2-mile final. (2 increasing to 3 rule). 32R with 27L arrivals is an easy gap shot and a lot of the gaps will allow for two departures per gap.

Am I missing something?
 
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Tue May 12, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 43):
In low IFR weather with a west flow, you could land 28L, 28C and 27L while departing 28R and 32R

Right now there is no approach for 28L, it is to close to 28C, so they will have to develop something in the future for it. I agree keeping 32R would be useful, and if they had to close one it would be the one to keep as 32L is so restricted on its use now. We can't land on 32L, 14R is catI only.
 
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Tue May 12, 2015 2:47 pm

Quoting airstatdfw (Reply 44):
We can't land on 32L,

4L is no joy to land on either. 4L (and 32L) also would be in the way for any western terminal construction or even easily accessible west remote parking pads. 32R doesn't get in the way of anything.   
 
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Tue May 12, 2015 2:54 pm

I remember seeing a document that outlined the T5 gate allocation schedule. Does anyone have a link to it? I haven't been able to find it for quite a while.
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Tue May 12, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting VTBDflyer (Reply 46):
I remember seeing a document that outlined the T5 gate allocation schedule. Does anyone have a link to it?

The one from last summer is here:
ORD Summer 2014 International Ops Summary (by AmricanShamrok Mar 6 2014 in Civil Aviation)

I'll post the latest one later on today hopefully.
 
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Tue May 12, 2015 3:49 pm

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 4):
Also, I recall seing a TK 77W on the flightradar24 a few days ago, can anyone confirm this?

TK has upgraded its IST-ORD service from the 332 to the 77W. Mostly to compete with daily 77Ws from EK, QR, and EY.

http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/n...es-to-upgrade-service-between.html
 
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RE: FlyChicago | ORD+MDW Aviation Thread

Tue May 12, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 11):
Icelandair used to fly to Iceland from ORD on DC-8 many years ago. Why can't Icelandiar bring it back to Chicago service? Not United flights start. Maybe United can use partners with Icelandair someday.

Ask and you shall receive Iceland Air announces ORD.

http://www.icelandair.us/information...p;utm_campaign=ChicagoAnnouncement

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