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AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 11:25 am

Alaska Airlines has placed three firm orders plus one option for the freighter conversion of the B737-700,to be done by
Bedek. The deliveries are expecting for the end of 2016.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...customer-for-b737-700p2f-programme
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 12:20 pm

that will be one very capable Little freighter, especially considering current market value of a -700! wonder if some of the Integrators could be interested?
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 12:45 pm

Airbus has missed the boat for decades about narrowbody freighters.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 1:07 pm

The B737-700 will look great in the cargo market, more or less like a B733 or B734 but with better economics, if the price is good they will get good orders in the future.

Quoting F14TCT (Reply 2):
Airbus has missed the boat for decades about narrowbody freighters.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ghter-conversion-starts-at-408346/

I think Airbus has been working very much on it but not making too much noise and now is when some good planes will be available for conversion, the first A320 were not very much desirable so most of them were better for parts than for any other use.

I´m sure in the next years we will see many conversions and good customers start looking at them with good eyes.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
I think Airbus has been working very much on it but not making too much noise and now is when some good planes will be available for conversion, the first A320 were not very much desirable so most of them were better for parts than for any other use.

I think the problem is/was not the aircraft but the outfitter Airbus selected in the past...
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 1:24 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 1):
that will be one very capable Little freighter, especially considering current market value of a -700! wonder if some of the Integrators could be interested?

Doubtful, the package handling companies would want a -800, as they're going to run out of volume long before they run out of weight capacity.

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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 5):
Doubtful, the package handling companies would want a -800, as they're going to run out of volume long before they run out of weight capacity.

I'm not sure the -800 even has much of a future for the integrators. Using FX as an example, they retired their 727 fleet and picked up 120 757s that had more cube space than the 727 or the -800 for that matter...and I'd wager those 757s will be flying another 20 years by which time there will almost certainly be a replacement for the -800. The 737 also simply doesn't have the range needed for the weights in question.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 4:17 pm

Well if the integrators do want a 737-800 freighter, AEI launched their conversion program last year.

Boeing has also been kicking around a 737NGBCF program.

As to Alaska, two years ago they were considered a strong contender for the 737-800P2F as Ethiopian confirmed they wanted to add the model to their fleet.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 4:33 pm

It's too bad that AS didn't by any 737-700C's, which are still available.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
It's too bad that AS didn't by any 737-700C's, which are still available.

Could a 737-700 handle DUT? The -200 could, but AS couldn't fly the -400 there.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
I'm not sure the -800 even has much of a future for the integrators. Using FX as an example, they retired their 727 fleet and picked up 120 757s that had more cube space than the 727 or the -800 for that matter...and I'd wager those 757s will be flying another 20 years by which time there will almost certainly be a replacement for the -800. The 737 also simply doesn't have the range needed for the weights in question.

I think you'll see them with the various US based operators for DHL, depending on how cheap they get when the Max comes out. Plus I think you'll see some of the small cargo carriers that operate old airplanes begin to upgrade their fleets.

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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Could a 737-700 handle DUT? The -200 could, but AS couldn't fly the -400 there.

No. AS is not interested in flying Jets into DUT. NAC doesn't even go into DUT with their classics.

Quoting yenne09 (Thread starter):
Alaska Airlines has placed three firm orders plus one option for the freighter conversion of the B737-700,to be done by
Bedek. The deliveries are expecting for the end of 2016.

They are converting their currently owned -700s right? As opposed to new/(new used) ones.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 6:55 pm

If my memory serves me right, these are their own converted birds.

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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:04 pm

Quoting F14TCT (Reply 2):
Airbus has missed the boat for decades about narrowbody freighters.

How much money is Boeing making on used airliners being converted by a third party ?
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:09 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 11):
They are converting their currently owned -700s right? As opposed to new/(new used) ones.

It's probably much cheaper.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
How much money is Boeing making on used airliners being converted by a third party ?

I don't think Boeing makes any money on the conversion unless the modification is done from a Boeing Service Bulletin. But if the third party company holds the STC, the Boeing gets nada.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:13 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
I don't think Boeing makes any money on the conversion unless the modification is done from a Boeing Service Bulletin. But if the third party company holds the STC, the Boeing gets nada.

Boeing would still have to approve all the engineering data
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 11):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Could a 737-700 handle DUT? The -200 could, but AS couldn't fly the -400 there.

No. AS is not interested in flying Jets into DUT. NAC doesn't even go into DUT with their classics.

You know that AS did fly jets into DUT for a long time. So did Mark Air.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
You know that AS did fly jets into DUT for a long time. So did Mark Air.

Yes. I also know that DUT just made the route CPA and washed their hands of it. AS still owns the route.

[Edited 2015-05-08 12:23:08]
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
Using FX as an example, they retired their 727 fleet and picked up 120 757s that had more cube space than the 727 or the -800 for that matter...and I'd wager those 757s will be flying another 20 years by which time there will almost certainly be a replacement for the -800. The 737 also simply doesn't have the range needed for the weights in question.

Is there anything in say, the 25000 lbs payload class?
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:49 pm

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 18):
Is there anything in say, the 25000 lbs payload class?

The 737-800 should be good for that.
 
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 7:49 pm

So what letters will it carry behind the -790? BCF? I always love the alphabet soup that accompanies a Boeing converted to a freighter...

P.S. Should change the thread title. When I read this, I thought AS was ordering new freighters from the factory!
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 18):

Is there anything in say, the 25000 lbs payload class?

The MD-80 freighter conversion would be right in that area as well, even though it's not near as popular.

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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 11:15 pm

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 18):

Is there anything in say, the 25000 lbs payload class?

AEI has the Max payloads of the small freighter class from 738 conversion down to CR2. 737-700 would probably lift what the -300 could just carry it further. http://www.aeronautical-engineers.com/products/12-pallet-737-800/
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 11:25 pm

AS certainly has a history of flying freight in Boeing 737s. They had a number of -200Cs; the airline selected one of these for preservation (N740AS):


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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Fri May 08, 2015 11:35 pm

I would use one word to describe why AS is doing this: FISH.
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Sat May 09, 2015 12:03 am

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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Sat May 09, 2015 4:16 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
I don't think Boeing makes any money on the conversion unless the modification is done from a Boeing Service Bulletin. But if the third party company holds the STC, the Boeing gets nada.

Boeing has forced the third party STC holders into licensing agreements or the resulting operators would no longer get Boeing support so Boeing does profit some from conversions done by authorized third party STC holders.

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 15):

Boeing would still have to approve all the engineering data


This is not true. Data used in STCs to Boeing aircraft do not require Boeing approval to obtain FAA approval of the STC. It does help to have data from them though. Boeing can, however, refuse support to STC modified aircraft without a support agreement.
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Sat May 09, 2015 5:48 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 20):

So what letters will it carry behind the -790? BCF? I always love the alphabet soup that accompanies a Boeing converted to a freighter...

P.S. Should change the thread title. When I read this, I thought AS was ordering new freighters from the factory!


The article says that this will be done by Israeli aircraft so it won't be s BCF since that is for Boeing converted freighters.
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Sat May 09, 2015 5:53 am

Quoting B737900 (Reply 24):
I would use one word to describe why AS is doing this: FISH.

Actually, it's more about providing a better inflight customer service experience while also improving the service to cargo customers. Frequent fliers do not like the combis, and their dispatch reliability isn't stellar either. Better to use all-passenger configurations for customers and newer, more reliable dedicated freighters for cargo.

The existing B737-400F is remaining in the fleet for time being but they'll re-evaluate whether or not to retire her and exercise that 4th option on another -700 down the line.
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RE: AS Is The Launch Customer For 737-700 Freighter

Sat May 09, 2015 7:23 am

The likes of DHL/Fed Ex want the B757, it's the ideal machine. The problem will be which aircraft they select once the last lot of B757 products reach retirement.

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