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NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:29 pm

The New York Times published an op-ed today issuing a pretty strong statement in favor of closing LGA in favor of sending all traffic to EWR and JFK. Pretty major statement, given the dominant presence of the publication, both in the tri-state area as well as on a broader scale.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/op...b-la-guardia-airport-close-it.html

I know it's something that has been debated before here on the, uh, niche audience (  ) that comprises a.net, but this is the first time I can remember that such an argument has been made in a broader public forum.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:34 pm

Here are the chances of that ever happening: 0.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:45 pm

Freakonomics put out the same call, but with very different reasons, back in 2009: http://www.freakonomics.com/2009/05/...ir-congestion-shut-down-laguardia/
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:48 pm

Just some armchair comments from the other site of the Atlantic. The LA area has three international airports and two domestic. The SFO area has three intercontinental airports. And... Does Mayor Blasio have an opinion on this?...

Regards.

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:48 pm

I apologize because I published this article too, apparently seconds after Cory did.

There was a thread on here after a similar editorial in 2009.
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:49 pm

The comments were the best bit. There seemed to be no middle ground with some people screaming "Close It" and some screaming "Keep It Open".

But really...30 mil additional pax per year sent to either JFK or EWR? Fat chance. Every week on A-net there seems to be a heated discussion over which NYC area airport is the best one for this, that or the other reason. Not to mention the wags that declare EWR is in NJ, so it isn't a NYC airport at all.

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 1:54 pm

in terms of ATC congestion and terminal quality (mostly a disgrace), I'm all for closing LGA

the biggest issue is that JFK and EWR combined won't have enough spare capacity to handle all of LGA.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:02 pm

Won't ever happen. But it's actually an eminently sensible idea.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:12 pm

This is hard to resolve.

LGA ruins a lot of airspace for JFK, but not 30 million passengers worth of airspace.

Stewart (SWF) will never work - it is too far north and will never have a good transit connection. The high-yielding passengers would always choose EWR or JFK.

As for HPN, obviously the op-ed author doesn't understand what a NIMBY is.

ISP has a small catchment area and although it has better transit potential than SWF, it is still too far away.

Amtrak will never be fast enough to eliminate flights from mid-range cities like BUF, ROC, SYR, PIT, RIC, etc. Amtrak has strong market shares in the Northeast Corridor cities, but even between those cities and NYC we still see dozens of daily flights. Not to mention Amtrak's infrastructure situation is even worse than LGA.

I think we're stuck with LGA. Might as well make it nicer.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 3):
The LA area has three international airports and two domestic

Actually the situation in LA is quite different from NYC where you have two major international airports (EWR/JFK), while in LA basically all traffic is concentrated at LAX.
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:15 pm

I think the likelihood that LGA will be shut down is slightly less than the likelihood that TEB will be closed and the "limousine liberals" and "Gulfstream environmentalists" will be forced to fly commercial like the rest of us.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 5):
Not to mention the wags that declare EWR is in NJ, so it isn't a NYC airport at all.

Those are mostly DL and AA supporters attempting to de-legitimize UA's hub across the river.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 10):
I think the likelihood that LGA will be shut down is slightly less than the likelihood that TEB will be closed and the "limousine liberals" and "Gulfstream environmentalists" will be forced to fly commercial like the rest of us

LOL and given that RWY 24, which routes departures right over my house, seems to be in use 80% of the time, I would cry less about this one.
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:39 pm

The big issue with shutting down LGA is how will they divvy up the domestic traffic between JFK and EWR. And can they afford to build essentially all-new domestic terminals to handle the much-increased domestic traffic going in and out of JFK and EWR once LGA shuts down.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:51 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 13):
The big issue with shutting down LGA is how will they divvy up the domestic traffic between JFK and EWR. And can they afford to build essentially all-new domestic terminals to handle the much-increased domestic traffic going in and out of JFK and EWR once LGA shuts down.

At least JFK can landfill more into the bay (if they can get past the NIMBY's). EWR expansion is virtually impossible since it's already entirely boxed in by infrastructure on all sides.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:56 pm

Could this be, if it's happenning, be helpful for Stewart or Republic-Farmingdale?
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting Cory6188 (Thread starter):
The New York Times published an op-ed today issuing a pretty strong statement in favor of closing LGA in favor of sending all traffic to EWR and JFK. Pretty major statement, given the dominant presence of the publication, both in the tri-state area as well as on a broader scale.

Since both EWR and JFK are slot restricted, where is the traffic at LGA supposed to go?

BTW, HUGE LAWSUIT by Delta and probably everybody with slots.

"But piling billions of taxpayer dollars into upgrading La Guardia, which opened in 1939, won’t solve its fundamental problems. It can’t easily expand."

EWR and JFK can't be easily expanded. We are closing airports because they can't be easily expanded? That methodology could be used to close nearly all of the world's largest airports and is utter nonsense.

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 14):
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 13):The big issue with shutting down LGA is how will they divvy up the domestic traffic between JFK and EWR. And can they afford to build essentially all-new domestic terminals to handle the much-increased domestic traffic going in and out of JFK and EWR once LGA shuts down.

At least JFK can landfill more into the bay (if they can get past the NIMBY's).

Fifty years ago, JFK proposed filling in Jamaica Bay completely, to build a second terminal complex where the bay is, and an additional runway at Rockaway Beach. This proposal, and a proposal around the same time to turn Sandy Hook, New Jersey into a huge port for super tankers, unleashed intense protests - some people say people's outrage over the JFK expansion helped create the environmental movement. The Gateway National Recreation Area was created specifically to ensure that neither the super tanker port nor JFK expansion into Jamaica Bay would ever occur.

There are a few things that will never, ever, ever happen. JFK being expanded into Jamaica Bay is one of them.

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 3:02 pm

When I was a wee young pilot at American Eagle, I had a Captain that was adamant that they should shut down (or at the very least drastically downsize) LGA, JFK, EWR and PHL in favor of a Mega Airport located in central New Jersey. His exact location was McGuire AFB. New high speed train connections would connect it to the NYC metro area, Philly, etc.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 14):
EWR expansion is virtually impossible since it's already entirely boxed in by infrastructure on all sides.

What if they moved the Port of NJ over to LGA's land and used the vacated space to expand EWR?

More realistically, I've always been a fan of putting a minimum seat limit on LGA. Something like, no flights under 51 seats and a percentage cap on flights under 100 seats. There's no reason the largest city in the US could not fill larger planes with fewer flights. LGA does not need 4 daily CR7 flights to SYR, make it 3 CR9 or 717 flights, and you still have frequency, then move the 4th flight to JFK.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 19):

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 14):
EWR expansion is virtually impossible since it's already entirely boxed in by infrastructure on all sides.

What if they moved the Port of NJ over to LGA's land and used the vacated space to expand EWR?

More realistically, I've always been a fan of putting a minimum seat limit on LGA. Something like, no flights under 51 seats and a percentage cap on flights under 100 seats. There's no reason the largest city in the US could not fill larger planes with fewer flights. LGA does not need 4 daily CR7 flights to SYR, make it 3 CR9 or 717 flights, and you still have frequency, then move the 4th flight to JFK.

How about going the opposite direction with seat limits?

Max of 100 seats on any flight to/from LGA. This would limit the number of pax going through the airport, naturally reducing strain on the airport and facilities while slowly shifting some of the traffic to JFK/EWR.

[Edited 2015-05-08 08:37:27]
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 3:44 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 19):

More realistically, I've always been a fan of putting a minimum seat limit on LGA. Something like, no flights under 51 seats and a percentage cap on flights under 100 seats. There's no reason the largest city in the US could not fill larger planes with fewer flights. LGA does not need 4 daily CR7 flights to SYR, make it 3 CR9 or 717 flights, and you still have frequency, then move the 4th flight to JFK.

This is the most sensible solution. All the tiny markets should head to EWR and JFK.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 4:07 pm

this will happen right after they close DCA.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 21):
Quoting cosyr (Reply 19):

More realistically, I've always been a fan of putting a minimum seat limit on LGA. Something like, no flights under 51 seats and a percentage cap on flights under 100 seats. There's no reason the largest city in the US could not fill larger planes with fewer flights. LGA does not need 4 daily CR7 flights to SYR, make it 3 CR9 or 717 flights, and you still have frequency, then move the 4th flight to JFK.

Agree completely. The amount of real estate and runway slots used by regional jets at LGA is shocking.
What if LGA had a U shaped structure for landing fees? Heavier planes = more expensive, but once you get into the regional jets /
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 4:10 pm

The big move would be move Rikers Island somewhere else and then allow LGA to expand on that land. I do support the perimeter though. LGA is not NYC's heavy lifters, its for business people and tourists and locals flying to and from large/medium size cities.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 4:41 pm

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 24):

The big move would be move Rikers Island somewhere else and then allow LGA to expand on that land. I do support the perimeter though. LGA is not NYC's heavy lifters, its for business people and tourists and locals flying to and from large/medium size cities.


Making LGA larger would only exacerbate the airspace issues above since it sits between JFK/EWR. LGA needs to be smaller, or closed completely.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 4:52 pm

What is beautiful is the PONYNJ executives flying around in helicopters, getting paid millions and not making decisions. The CPE at all three airports are ridiculously high all approaching $30 per passenger yet fixing up the place isn't in the cards.

Maybe, just maybe stop paying these executives 7 figure salaries NOT to not make decisions. How to spell thieves PONYNJ!
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 25):
Making LGA larger would only exacerbate the airspace issues above since it sits between JFK/EWR.

How does LGA affect the traffic flow or arrival capacity at JFK and EWR? Would closing LGA allow JFK and EWR to use their existing runways more efficiently?

Any N90 ATCers or locally-based pilots on here know for sure?
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 27):

How does LGA affect the traffic flow or arrival capacity at JFK and EWR? Would closing LGA allow JFK and EWR to use their existing runways more efficiently?

I think not so much EWR but I read somewhere on A.net that it overlaps with JFK dept/approach pathways, thus limiting JFK runway capacity (they have 4 but can't use all 4 simultaneously at any time)
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 5:34 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 28):
(they have 4 but can't use all 4 simultaneously at any time

Not sure using all 4 runways simultaneously would really do much, since you still need to maintain the same level of separation. Using all 4 runways would be equivalent to just letting planes take off or land earlier, with less spacing between them. They could do that now if rules (and safety) allowed it, but they don't. Using all 4 runways simultaneously would also mean more crossing of runways by more planes, leading to many more small delays that would accumulate over the course of a day. I feel like it would be self-defeating even if not for separation rules.

As for the Times Op-Ed, I respect the Times for their news coverage but lately I've noticed they've often been using their Op-Eds for "clickbait" headlines and articles. It's the one spot they can safely do that without too many people calling them out on it. Op-Eds have always been a place for controversial opinions, but there's been a trend at every news outlet lately, including the Times, to just post stuff they know will get a lot of people up in arms just to get more clicks. Fomenting outrage is one of modern news outlets' easiest ways of getting eyeballs and therefore either advertising or subscription dollars.

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 28):
JFK runway capacity (they have 4 but can't use all 4 simultaneously at any time)

With JFK's current layout, they couldn't use all 4 runways at the same time anyway without extensive use of LAHSO and that's a "weather-dependent" and "air carrier-dependent" procedure.

JFK would be relegated to severe capacity swings depending on precipitation and traffic mix...much like ORD was before they were able to add some additional parallel runways. (and we all know how messed up that was)

http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1505/00610ad.pdf

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 28):
I think not so much EWR but I read somewhere on A.net that it overlaps with JFK dept/approach pathways, thus limiting JFK runway capacity (they have 4 but can't use all 4 simultaneously at any time)
EWR is more impacted by TEB than LGA. But as you can see in this diagram below, LGA's airspace is right in the middle, pretty much killing JFK ops in the East and severely affecting them North.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
EWR and JFK can't be easily expanded. We are closing airports because they can't be easily expanded? That methodology could be used to close nearly all of the world's largest airports and is utter nonsense.
JFK's northern cargo area is not used so much and many of the buildings are abandoned. You can easily add another runway there. JFK has around 6M sq feet of cargo space, but maybe a third of that is considered "viable". It could easily be consolidated somewhere else on the airfield.

JFK_Business_and_Financial_053012_MN.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nycedc.com/sites/default/...siness_and_Financial_053012_MN.pdf

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting flflyer (Reply 22):
this will happen right after they close DCA.

Ok, DCA is closed. No announcement from the Port Authority though:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-world-war-ii-planes-to-fly-over-/
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 5:55 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 30):
With JFK's current layout, they couldn't use all 4 runways at the same time anyway without extensive use of LAHSO and that's a "weather-dependent" and "air carrier-dependent" procedure.

JFK would be relegated to severe capacity swings depending on precipitation and traffic mix...much like ORD was before they were able to add some additional parallel runways. (and we all know how messed up that was)

They have shortened runway take-offs at JFK on the 31s before the 4/22 runway intersections. Even with the shortened runway, 31L is still 11,000 feet and 31R is around 8,000 feet. No LAHSO required if using the 31s for takeoff.

ORD was a mess before the re-configuration and the AAR cap back then was way too high. I'd argue that the new runways haven't helped much since the airport is still very prone to delays.
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting corinthians (Reply 31):

yikes ... LGA is blocking JFK like no tomorrow. The airport with the smallest commercial planes block off all the prime airspace estate in the middle.

No wonder all the JFK approaches require super inefficient long U-turns south of long island.....
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 27):

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 25):
Making LGA larger would only exacerbate the airspace issues above since it sits between JFK/EWR.

How does LGA affect the traffic flow or arrival capacity at JFK and EWR? Would closing LGA allow JFK and EWR to use their existing runways more efficiently?

Any N90 ATCers or locally-based pilots on here know for sure?

It would certainly allow them to utilize JFK 13L and 13R for arrivals on bad weather days. Currently they might as well close the airport when they are forced into this configuration.

Also simultaneous departures from both 31L and 31R would be possible without LGA there.

4 simultaneous runways could be used with departures from 31L @KE intersection, departures 31R @ZA intersection, while landing both 22R and 22L. The heavy departures would go 31L and smaller narrow bodies 31R.

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting billreid (Reply 26):
What is beautiful is the PONYNJ executives flying around in helicopters, getting paid millions

Are they really being paid millions?

Quoting billreid (Reply 26):
The CPE at all three airports are ridiculously high all approaching $30 per passenger yet fixing up the place isn't in the cards.

I've said this before, but does anyone think they'd bother? This is New York. Airlines are going to use these facilities no matter how awful they may be, so why bother?

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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 35):
It would certainly allow them to utilize JFK 13L and 13R for arrivals on bad weather days

To run simultaneous ILS approaches to 13L/13R you would need to have finals established approx. 15 miles from the airport and that would put traffic right over EWR and TEB. You've solved the LGA conflict and now you've got new conflicts.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 35):
landing both 22R and 22L. The heavy departures would go 31L and smaller narrow bodies 31R.

Regarding departure runways, it's not that simple just to take the heavies to 31L and smaller narrow bodies to 31R. You end up having northbounds at the south runway and southbounds at the north runway. This creates a crossing scenario for departures so you lose a lot of the efficiencies you would have gained by having true, independent departure runways. Granted, better than having only 1 runway to start with but definitely not the 100% improvement most people think you'd get.

I like where you're going with this though. Can ex-Mayor Daley run for NY mayor?
 
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Fri May 08, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 19):

I agree. Way too many regional jets over there.
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Fri May 08, 2015 6:43 pm

Quoting cosyr (Reply 19):
What if they moved the Port of NJ over to LGA's land and used the vacated space to expand EWR?

There is no way you will fit the 3rd largest port in the U.S. within 680 acres. On top of that east river would not be to cope with that much cargo traffic.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 6:47 pm

How about we shut down all 3 (JFK, LGA, EWR) and turn Staten Island into an airport the size of DWC?
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 6:49 pm

Quoting Frostyj (Reply 38):

I agree. Way too many regional jets over there.

Same problem with DCA. I was there this week, and if I didn't know better I would've thought it's an Embraer sales event for E-jets.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 3):
Just some armchair comments from the other site of the Atlantic. The LA area has three international airports and two domestic. The SFO area has three intercontinental airports. And... Does Mayor Blasio have an opinion on this?...

And ATL has 1 and it's the most busy in the country..what is your point?
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 37):
To run simultaneous ILS approaches to 13L/13R you would need to have finals established approx. 15 miles from the airport and that would put traffic right over EWR and TEB. You've solved the LGA conflict and now you've got new conflicts.

By putting traffic directly over EWR that would keep them out of EWR's arrival and departure corridors. Isn't that common practice when transiting across Class B airspace? Vector the transit traffic directly overhead the primary airport.
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 7:05 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 37):
To run simultaneous ILS approaches to 13L/13R you would need to have finals established approx. 15 miles from the airport and that would put traffic right over EWR and TEB. You've solved the LGA conflict and now you've got new conflicts.

They already use ILS approaches to 13L.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 37):
Regarding departure runways, it's not that simple just to take the heavies to 31L and smaller narrow bodies to 31R. You end up having northbounds at the south runway and southbounds at the north runway. This creates a crossing scenario for departures so you lose a lot of the efficiencies you would have gained by having true, independent departure runways. Granted, better than having only 1 runway to start with but definitely not the 100% improvement most people think you'd get.

Even when departing on the shortened runways, 31R is around 8,000 feet and 31L is 11,000 feet. 8,000 feet is enough for most aircraft (LGA does just fine with 7,000 ft. runways), so you could have northbound departures on the northern runway and southbound departures on the southern runway. The way it is now, 31L departures have to turn South anyways and circle around to go North.

Besides, doesn't LAX have southbound departures on the northern runway and vice versa?
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 7:21 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 43):
By putting traffic directly over EWR that would keep them out of EWR's arrival and departure corridors. Isn't that common practice when transiting across Class B airspace? Vector the transit traffic directly overhead the primary airport.

That would be best, however looking at the runway alignment, the 13L/R localizers would extend well north of Newark airport and a little bit south of TEB. You'd end up with a dual stream of JFK arrival traffic crossing over the top of EWR localizer traffic at or near the EWR FAF if EWR was landing on the 22s. I see problems written all over this procedure.

If EWR were departing the 4s, then you could restrict the EWR departures below the step-down fixes on the JFK approaches but then you're probably going to be in TEB traffic pattern. The geographic location of these airports and their unique runway configuration make it impossible for each airport to function efficiently.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jfk-ewr,+jfk-teb,+ewr-teb
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 7:39 pm

Aren't all SF area airports International?

That being said, I'm still in favor of this option: http://manhattanairport.org/

 
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 7:49 pm

Quoting Cory6188 (Thread starter):
The New York Times published an op-ed today issuing a pretty strong statement in favor of closing LGA in favor of sending all traffic to EWR and JFK.

The author should go back to his gig as a gag writer for comedies.
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting corinthians (Reply 44):
The way it is now, 31L departures have to turn South anyways and circle around to go North.

If that's the case, then there's very little to gain by departing both 31s at the same time as everyone turns left and there'd be no way to apply course divergence...although they probably turn left to go north today due to LGA.

Quoting corinthians (Reply 44):
Besides, doesn't LAX have southbound departures on the northern runway and vice versa?

Yes, LAX sometimes does but it's not the most efficient during busy traffic periods as it sometime delays traffic waiting at the other runway. They weigh the benefit of waiting a bit at the closer runway versus taxiing longer to get to the (correct) departure runway.
 
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RE: NY Times Op-Ed On Closing LGA

Fri May 08, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting nottarockstar (Reply 46):
Aren't all SF area airports International?

That being said, I'm still in favor of this option: http://manhattanairport.org/

 

Lol, well if there weren't any skyscrapers in NYC this might be feasible! Approach and departure might have to weave through the buildings

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