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Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 3:30 pm

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting dvincent (Reply 209):

There is a parking freeze in place for East Boston; they (rightfully) do not want their town turned into a giant parking lot for Logan Airport, and this limits who can set up businesses to make park n fly lots. This also includes a separate parking freeze for Massport/Logan. Even if they had the technical capacity to expand central parking, their hands are tied.
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Given these facts, the only way to increase parking capacity at Logan airport is to do things like Logan Express.

Two Words: Suffolk Downs. It's already Logan's spillover parking when all the massport lots are full at Logan. It's only a matter of time until someone build a huge garage there.

And East Boston's decision doesn't surprise me. Tthis is the same town that rejected the Casino too only to have it approved right next door by a neighboring town. So they get all the same issues that they were concerned about without having a say in the matter or getting any of the financial benefits from it. Really smart. Maybe Revere will setup a huge commuter parking facility at the now closed Suffolk Downs race track   Chelsea too has been getting into the action too by building parking facilities on their side. IIRC Logan employee parking is now at the Chelsea garage and no longer at the airport.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 4:43 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
IIRC Logan employee parking is now at the Chelsea garage and no longer at the airport.

This is correct, but I'd prefer to park at Suffolk Downs and avoid the Chelsea drawbridge drama. That can be a significant delay when trying to catch a flight.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 5:10 pm

My apologies as I have never been confronted with this situation - I know where Suffolk Downs is and I have also seen some park-n-ride spots when you take Route 1A North but how does one travel from the parking lot to the airport? In my opinion, it does take a solid 10-15 minutes car ride from Suffolk Downs into Logan.

Does the parking lot offer complimentary travel options that takes riders from the lot to the airport? I mean one needs to be well-prepped in terms of time and contingencies when using such lots.

Wouldn't it be prudent to instead park in Copley or somewhere in the vicinity if that was possible and then take the Massport buses that will take you right into the airport?

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 6:13 pm

I think the better solution is to just fly out of MHT, we have oodles of parking. Ha ha.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 6:13 pm

I don't expect it to last.

First, they are constructing more parking space in the area between the garage and the Hilton. I am not sure how that works to - I believe it might have something to do with the new car rental facility. But in anycase...


The MBTA right now is under serious fire. There is major dissatisfaction with it, particularly from the suburbs. People in the rest of the state outside of the immediate Boston area see the EPA and MBTA as being partners in crime. This is just more ammo to get both dismantled and restructured. It is getting more and more difficult for people from central mass to get to Logan, and they don't see Massport doing much to make better flights accessible from other airports. This summer parking rates are even higher, and shuttle vans are running over $100 per person round trip, there are few good options. Logan Express is a poor value for the extra inconvenience it causes.

Something will blow up soon. I feel it is probably going to be this EPA regulation, which has little basis outside of political motivation. Either it falls gradually in a lawsuit, or more likely under major political pressure.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 6:45 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
Maybe Revere will setup a huge commuter parking facility at the now closed Suffolk Downs race track

Out of all (albeit limited) options, this actually sounds most reasonable to me.

Google Maps shows that it is about 2.8-3.1 miles from the Terminals ... if Massport / MBTA introduced a shuttle service like its Economy Parking or Back Bay services ... it shouldn't be that big of a trip or problem. We are talking about a 10-15 minutes trip ... maybe dedicated lanes at rush hour, if push comes to shove?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 8:10 pm

Except that most of your passengers are coming from the west through the Ted Williams. The parking needs to be west of the airport. Only that means that you need a way to cross the harbor.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 8:51 pm

Man, what bad timing of my previous post. :V

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
Two Words: Suffolk Downs. It's already Logan's spillover parking when all the massport lots are full at Logan. It's only a matter of time until someone build a huge garage there.

This is actually a brilliant idea. There's access to the T and Route 1A. However, I'm pretty sure that Suffolk Downs will be used for other uses, like rebuilding the area for spendy housing or commercial enterprises now that the casino is out. We'll have to see what happens but I'm with you—a parking garage would be a profitable venture there.

Call it "Logan Express Revere", not unlike the Back Bay shuttle.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
Chelsea too has been getting into the action too by building parking facilities on their side. IIRC Logan employee parking is now at the Chelsea garage and no longer at the airport.

As far as I know, the town of Chelsea has no parking restrictions and is already home to massive privately operated parking facilities (of which I use on a semi-regular basis) along with the Massport employee parking. The problem with Chelsea is that you are at the mercy of the drawbridges. Facilities at Suffolk Downs would have no such problem, even though it is a slightly longer drive. You also avoid having to navigate cramped East Boston streets to get to Chelsea, a problem that the shuttle buses don't have since they can use the bypass road. Is the temporary lifting of the restrictions on the bypass road still in place?

There are still several employee parking areas at Logan airport itself (as detailed in the PDF I linked in the previous thread), but I know a large portion use the facility in Chelsea. That's how they were able to scrape up more spaces for the rental car facility and the new economy parking garage.

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 7):
Except that most of your passengers are coming from the west through the Ted Williams. The parking needs to be west of the airport. Only that means that you need a way to cross the harbor.

Suffolk Downs is on Route 1A, which is a continuation of the same road that exits the TWT. You literally drive another five, ten minutes up the road after going through the Ted. IMO it would be more convenient than having to navigate the streets of East Boston and have the risk of getting blocked by the Chelsea drawbridges. The non-Massport private parking lots are located in either Revere (Park Shuttle n Fly, Thrifty) or Chelsea (Preflight Parking). The ones in Revere are literally across the street from Suffolk Downs.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri May 08, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 3):
but how does one travel from the parking lot to the airport? In my opinion, it does take a solid 10-15 minutes car ride from Suffolk Downs into Logan.

Yes currently when parking spills over to Suffolk Downs (happens during school vacation), they offer the regular shuttle bus to the terminals. Same bus setup as the economy parking. It's no more than a 5 minute drive from the airport. There's a direct entrance off of Rt 1A.

https://www.massport.com/news-room/news/parking-severely-limited-at-logan-airport/
"There may be times when motorists will be directed to park off-airport at Suffolk Downs. If travelers are sent to Suffolk Downs, they will not be charged for parking and Massport will provide a free shuttle bus system between the off-site parking and the terminals. "
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 09, 2015 12:16 am

What if Suffolk Downs were used to kill two birds with one stone. A Park and Ride facility for folks going to Boston on the Blue Line and also a Long Term Parking area for the airport. The model I am thinking of would be Anderson/RTC in Woburn which is both a Commuter Rail station and a Logan Express lot.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 09, 2015 1:34 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 10):
What if Suffolk Downs were used to kill two birds with one stone. A Park and Ride facility for folks going to Boston on the Blue Line and also a Long Term Parking area for the airport. The model I am thinking of would be Anderson/RTC in Woburn which is both a Commuter Rail station and a Logan Express lot.

That sort of already exists up the road in Revere at the Wonderland T stop. They built a huge commuter parking garage. It's only $5/day for commuters and $12/day if you park over multiple days. But yes, Suffolk Downs is a lot closer to Logan and more convenient.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 09, 2015 8:17 pm

With the Logan 2000 program, they were proposing a people mover system. But that hit a lot of resistance from just about everyone. I can't see that getting any more traction, especially if the MBTA and Massport have to cooperate.

I think it is simple. All those who are so dead set against any expansion of parking at Logan should pay for a new tunnel to go under the harbor that can be used by direct trains. Of course they should also be the ones to pay for the trains and stations, too. Otherwise stop making the rest of us pay for it!
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 09, 2015 11:42 pm

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 12):
With the Logan 2000 program, they were proposing a people mover system. But that hit a lot of resistance from just about everyone. I can't see that getting any more traction, especially if the MBTA and Massport have to cooperate.

IIRC the people mover was scrapped because of cost overruns.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon May 11, 2015 3:08 pm

How many 744s is Boston getting these (summer) days?

Yesterday I worked on the backyard the whole day ... and I saw at least 3 BA, 2 LH, 1 AF ... all 744s at farely low altitudes over the North Shore. And then also the HU 787 and the EI 767 in between the heavies was a treat!  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon May 11, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting dvincent (Reply 8):
a parking garage would be a profitable venture there.
Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
Two Words: Suffolk Downs. It's already Logan's spillover parking when all the massport lots are full at Logan. It's only a matter of time until someone build a huge garage there.

Do you guys know how expensive parking garages are? The reason you dont see remote garages is because people dont want to pay the necessary premium. The cost for structured vs surface parking is about 4x higher and the rates need to reflect that unless the agency wants to east the cost.

If you build a garage in Suffolk Downs, someone can open a lot next door and charge $8-10/day and fill up before a single car goes in to pay the $16-20+ for a garage
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon May 11, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 15):
If you build a garage in Suffolk Downs, someone can open a lot next door and charge $8-10/day and fill up before a single car goes in to pay the $16-20+ for a garage

The land at Suffolk Downs is too valuable to various developers to be consumed in entirety by a parking lot. If they're OK with a lot the size of, say, Preflight Parking, that's a significant chunk of land. I only said "parking garage" because I thought people were considering a really large amount of spaces.

Also, nobody in that area will dare charge less than $16/day, which is the going prepay rate of most of the privately owned parking lots. You literally cannot park anywhere in East Boston/Revere/Chelsea for less than $16/day. Anyone who charges less than that is leaving money on the table.

I guess it depends on how many parking spaces they'd really want to make available. If the number they're thinking of fits within the existing parking at Suffolk Downs, then they wouldn't have to do much.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon May 11, 2015 8:07 pm

Quoting dvincent (Reply 16):
Also, nobody in that area will dare charge less than $16/day
Quoting dvincent (Reply 16):
who charges less than that is leaving money on the table

Thats because of the parking spaces are at such a premium... construct 5,000 new spaces and that number will drop

On average the cost to construct i garage space is over $30,000 per space, probably $40,000 for a massport project and that does not include operational costs or shuttle operations

Assuming 75% full garage, $20/day becomes a break even cost.

Im going to be pretty pissed if I have to park that far away with a shuttle for $20/day
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon May 11, 2015 9:01 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):
Thats because of the parking spaces are at such a premium... construct 5,000 new spaces and that number will drop

How much land does 5K parking spaces take up, anyway? Genuinely curious. Keep in mind that Central parking totals about 7K spaces not even including the West side, which is about 3K. Terminal B garage is around 2.2K. The new economy garage holds about 2.8k.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):
Im going to be pretty pissed if I have to park that far away with a shuttle for $20/day

If you're parking at Thrifty or Preflight and don't have a coupon or don't prepay, you're paying that much already. I also don't foresee Massport lowering rates at any of the garages even if they put in a bunch of spots at Suffolk Downs. Let's say they set Suffolk Downs for $15/day, I doubt the neighboring private lots would lower their prices appreciably; they're already nipping at the heels of the economy garage.

The other benefit to garage parking is that in the wintertime you don't have to worry about digging your car out, unless you were unlucky enough to park on the roof. I've had trips where I've had to dig out my car when returning... but that may not be worth the cost of building a garage.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):

Thats because of the parking spaces are at such a premium... construct 5,000 new spaces and that number will drop

On average the cost to construct i garage space is over $30,000 per space, probably $40,000 for a massport project and that does not include operational costs or shuttle operations

Assuming 75% full garage, $20/day becomes a break even cost.

Im going to be pretty pissed if I have to park that far away with a shuttle for $20/day

$30,000?!?!?!

I think your numbers might be a bit off there. The average cost is about $55 per square foot, though that of course varies anywhere from $50 to $70. even then you are talking a lot less. http://www.fixr.com/costs/build-parking-garage
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 1:38 pm

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 19):
$30,000?!?!?!

Use your own numbers...

Space size = 20 x 12 thats 240 SF....double it to account for ramps, circulation, ingress/egress thats 480 SF @ $60/SF thats $28,880.

Wait til you see how much the revenue control equipment is... that runs about $400,000 for a a single set.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 1:52 pm

Suffolk Downs may be a viable option in terms of location but it is never going to happen due to the value of the land. Suffolk Downs is the largest piece of undeveloped T accessible real estate in all of Metro Boston. Consider housing prices in Boston (link below). Of course, Suffolk Downs is not Downtown but it has two abutting T stops. Think Assembly Square on the blue line. Assembly square was a wasteland 10 years ago and now it is has 2 bedrooms going for $3500 a month.

I’m not anti-parking, I own a car downtown and I have no idea where everyone using Logan, or in Boston, is going to park with the current trend of turning parking garages into condos and office towers (see proposed redevelopment of Gov. Center garage). But the value of a parking garage just can’t compete with condos or apartment when space is going for 500+ dollars a square foot. I may eat my words in five years but I would take 10-1 odds that when Suffolk Downs is demolished it is going to be replaced with some sort of a mixed use development that includes a large number of Condos and/or apartments.


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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 15):

Do you guys know how expensive parking garages are? The reason you dont see remote garages is because people dont want to pay the necessary premium. The cost for structured vs surface parking is about 4x higher and the rates need to reflect that unless the agency wants to east the cost.

However a garage has a significantly smaller foot print and the only limiting factor to the number of parking spaces is how many floors you can build. And you can add more floors when needed, which is exactly what Logan did to central parking. So yes it costs more to build but in the long run the profits are a lot higher. Parking lots are great in the suburbs where there plenty of land but in densely populated area you have to maximize the space. And nothing beats not having to shovel your car after you come home from a long trip in the Winter  
Quoting EC99 (Reply 21):
Suffolk Downs may be a viable option in terms of location but it is never going to happen due to the value of the land.

I'm not convinced that the land is that valuable for residence living. I doubt many people would want to pay big bucks to live in a condo overlooking a big ol' rusty oil tank farm 
Quoting EC99 (Reply 21):
I may eat my words in five years but I would take 10-1 odds that when Suffolk Downs is demolished it is going to be replaced with some sort of a mixed use development that includes a large number of Condos and/or apartments.

Which could and should include a parking garage  
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
How many 744s is Boston getting these (summer) days?

I believe also that the VS flight is supposed to switch from the 787-900 to the 744 this summer, but it hasn't happened yet.

And of course AF only has seven 744s, so this is the last year for them, too.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 22):
Which could and should include a parking garage
Look at Station Landing in Medford as an example.

Looking at a map more closely, I still think the main body of Suffolk Downs will be developed into a mixed-use development. However, I concede that the giant secondary surface lot Suffolk Downs own next to the gas tanks, which is across Tomesello Street from the main property, may be well suited to a large multi-story parking garage. It is the property that would have a view of the gas tanks but, more importantly in my mind, that land is 600-1000 yards from the T stop, which greatly reduces the value of the land for residential purposes.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
How many 744s is Boston getting these (summer) days?

I believe it's as follows:
BA - 2x 744 (+ 2x 772) to LHR
VS - 1x 744 to LHR
LH - 1x 744 (+1x 748) to FRA
AF - 1x 744 (+1x 332) to CDG
 
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Tue May 12, 2015 5:13 pm

Quoting hinckley (Reply 25):
I believe it's as follows:
BA - 2x 744 (+ 2x 772) to LHR
VS - 1x 744 to LHR
LH - 1x 744 (+1x 748) to FRA
AF - 1x 744 (+1x 332) to CDG

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Tue May 12, 2015 7:45 pm

The past three Saturdays (April 25, May 2, May 9) BA has flown 744s on all four daily flights into Logan.
 
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Tue May 12, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 27):
The past three Saturdays (April 25, May 2, May 9) BA has flown 744s on all four daily flights into Logan.

Wow, I've never seen that before. It does look like 4x 744s on Sundays BOS-LHR, even the early morning departure. Def a first for BOS.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue May 12, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 27):
The past three Saturdays (April 25, May 2, May 9) BA has flown 744s on all four daily flights into Logan.

Makes sense now ... because I was pretty sure I saw at least 3 of them.

One before noon, and the other two later at end of day ... before sunset.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Wed May 13, 2015 4:24 pm

Quoting hinckley (Reply 28):
Wow, I've never seen that before. It does look like 4x 744s on Sundays BOS-LHR, even the early morning departure. Def a first for BOS.

You are correct. I actually went and looked up all of the days where BA will operate 4x744 on BOS-LHR in '15:

April: 5, 11, 12, 15, 19, 25, 26
May: 3, 10, 17, 24, 30, 31
June: 6, 7, 14
August 30
September 6

As you can see, most of those dates are Sundays, with a few Saturdays thrown in there as well.

FWIW, it appears that they're also using 744s on BA238 (early morning departure) on Tuesdays as well, swapping its usual 772 with either BA212 (19:10 departure) or BA214 (21:30 departure). Pretty incredible considering the off-season sees one, maybe two 744s per day. Last November/December, I flew BOS-LHR and back, and—though both ways were 744s—in both instances they were the only 744 flight of that particular day: BA212 and BA213.

Can't remember BA using 744s on BA238, but, then again, that was before AA dropped its BOS-LHR service.

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Wed May 13, 2015 5:01 pm

Go here and click the 'BA Tracker' link in the menu bar.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Wed May 13, 2015 8:10 pm

Does anyone have insight into how Wow Air is performing so far at KBOS?
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Wed May 13, 2015 8:25 pm

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Does anyone have insight into how Wow Air is performing so far at KBOS?

I heard a couple of stories that the plane was half full in March... but the more and more connections they make available in KEF the better it will do.

They recently added AMS as a connection to BOS-KEF.
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Wed May 13, 2015 8:30 pm

Is AA keeping both hangars, the new TWA refurbished one and old US Airways one?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Wed May 13, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 27):
The past three Saturdays (April 25, May 2, May 9) BA has flown 744s on all four daily flights into Logan.

Seems it's similar to DL's strategy of moving the planes that they've already paid for and that burn the most gas onto the shorter routes.
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Wed May 13, 2015 9:20 pm

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Does anyone have insight into how Wow Air is performing so far at KBOS?


Boston Globe had a nice article from a blogger on his WOW air experience. featured this weekend. http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle.../uBDdEbd8Cywltk7JBfqFfI/story.html

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 34):
Is AA keeping both hangars, the new TWA refurbished one and old US Airways one?


Everyone's eagerly awaiting the news - although speculation it's most likely or maybe even certain AA will move to US airways side although the gates may need to be tweaked to accomodate widebody jets.

Does anyone know or think that the new AA will retain the shuttle flights to destinations such as: ROC, SYR, MDT, BUF? My speculation is they may just retain PIT and fold out the remaining destinations - thoughts?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Wed May 13, 2015 11:46 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 36):

Boston Globe had a nice article from a blogger on his WOW air experience. featured this weekend. http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle.../uBDdEbd8Cywltk7JBfqFfI/story.html

Here's another one too which really complains about the carry on policies and has a pictures of WOW's carry on size guide posting at BOS. Like the globe article it also points out that one must wait for boarding passes in KEF for connections but I think that is now fixed if I recall the globe article correctly.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 14, 2015 4:06 pm

BOS-AUS on WN beginning 11/1 early afternoon departure in each direction.

BOS-CAK being dropped.

Smart moves by WN! BOS-AUS is underserved O+D wise.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 14, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 36):
Does anyone know or think that the new AA will retain the shuttle flights to destinations such as: ROC, SYR, MDT, BUF? My speculation is they may just retain PIT and fold out the remaining destinations - thoughts?

PIT, ROC, and BUF look pretty good for now. MDT has tiny demand. One over-arching issue is that there are very few logical oneworld connections in BOS. BA to LHR is one, but that requires changing terminals in BOS.

PIT is the biggest market of that group (498 passengers PDEW average in 2014). I doubt AA will back out, but if it did I expect WN would consider jumping in.

ROC has no nonstop competition and averaged 95 passengers PDEW in 2014. I think it is safe. Yields are much stronger compared to BUF and PIT.

BUF has good demand (315 passengers PDEW average in 2014), but competing with B6 drives the yield down signficantly (Q1 average fare was $135 o/w for BUF vs. $215 for ROC). That being said, yields relative to other routes are still attractive.

MDT is 1x daily on a Dash 8. O&D is pretty minimal (20 pasengers PDEW average in 2014). Most likely to get cut, especially as the Dashes are retired.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 14, 2015 9:44 pm

Thank you. I didn't know that B6 flies from JFK to both ROC and to SYR - they just don't fly from BOS to these destinations - only AA-US fly there on shuttle flights. Surprised that US doesn't fly to ABE from BOS.

I have rarely seen the PIT flight empty although the fare prices have come down a lot thanks to B6.

Looks like B6 maybe flying very soon to CVG next - already defeated and depleted from DL, this maybe a good catch for CVG similar to CLE - New Airlines At CVG (by cfichad May 9 2015 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 16, 2015 11:12 am

This article was featured today in the Boston Globe: http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/.../SBFWDT3pC6cq6STfE5lWgP/story.html

I just wish I could ask them one question to enlighten me on their contributions to Boston - although I will state - Thank you Boston - I will fly EK or CX over UA or DL if I had the choice  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 16, 2015 2:01 pm

BTS T100 data was released this week for November 2014

EK was late again on reporting.

TK - 71%
HU - 83.7
JL - 83.4
CM - 65.1 - Though still low - YOY 7% increase in LF for the month

I looked at the new seasonal B6 routes as well that started 11/2014. I expected these to be low since the inaugural return to BOS doesn't get filled and its not the peak travel season for these destinations.

BOS-LIR - 60.1%
BOS-UVF - 65.9%
BOS-POP - 67.7%

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 40):
Looks like B6 maybe flying very soon to CVG next - already defeated and depleted from DL, this maybe a good catch for CVG similar to CLE

May have a three way fight DL vs B6 vs WN on our hands soon. WN entering B6 markets (AUS), WN entering DL markets (CMH,IND), DL entering WN markets (MKE), B6 entering DL markets (CVG???) and the grand finale B6 entering a shared WN/DL market (ATL????)

I still wonder if WN going to sniff around some warm weather Saturday only flights - depends on how the fleet is utilized which I have no knowledge of.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 16, 2015 2:24 pm

Has anyone heard how CX is performing at KBOS? Their schedule seems timed for good connections both ways in HKG.
With EK going double daily will TK upgrade to the 77W or might they go double daily using A330'S?
Anyone know how the bookings are for LY and their new TLV-BOS flights. I hope they are successful this time.

Just wishful thinking on my part but I would like to see TP return to BOS, perhaps after they order the 321LR (assuming they do) Always enjoyed their flights.
I think there is room for AA to do seasonal service from KBOS to Barcelona with 757'S and restore seasonal service to MAN. Although I believe MAN could easily be successful 5 or 6 flights per week year round.
With LO planning to expand, could KBOS be a potential candidate for their expansion. WAW 4 or 5 times perweek might work.

For domestic expansion would like to see AS fly KBO-KSJC.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 16, 2015 2:51 pm

I would love to see BOS-MAN, apart from the now well drilled link via DUB on EI, I really believe a full link from MAN would work. MAN and the surrounding area has a big catchment and if they could successfully market the Lake District and possible links to Scotland as places to visit from here and I know people like to visit Boston and New England too, it might persuade a bunch of people to circumvent LHR.

A related question and I have no thoughts either way, but I wonder if an LGW flight would work at all too? Not sure it's ever been tried, which suggests the market isn't there, but just my own curiosity more than anything.

But bring on MAN  .....
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 16, 2015 3:47 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 44):
A related question and I have no thoughts either way, but I wonder if an LGW flight would work at all too?

I thought WW's original plan was to do BOS-KEF-LGW as direct but it wound up being BOS-KEF-SXF.

Before EK went double daily - though they might have considered BOS-LGW-DXB but the flight they would want to tag onto (LHR-DXB red eye) is currently A380.

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 43):
Has anyone heard how CX is performing at KBOS? Their schedule seems timed for good connections both ways in HKG.

We will have a rough idea when Massport releases May numbers in mid-June.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Wed May 20, 2015 11:50 pm

April Traffic Figures are out

Overall YTD

Globally on average an additional 4 (roughly) people on each flight, even with the reduction in # of flights in the month, so that's no bad thing.

Where has that come from?

Here's what i know from doing the relatively simple math (pax/flights) - numbers are rounded.

Overall - consistent at 89 per flight on 107,726 flights, still up 4.
inbound up by 4.25 to 90 per flight
outbound up by 4.1 to 88 per flight.

Domestic (I have ignored charters and Gen Av)

Commuter - down 2 per flight at 26, most of this will obviously be Cape Air. but certainly a big drop in flights on this one nearly 16%.. any ideas?

Jet - up 2 at 109 per flight. Interesting that # of flights up 3%, # of pax up 4.7%


International

Caribbean - up 4 people per flight on average at 127, given most of this will be B6 at 150 seats a pop around 85% LF,

Canada - up 1 38 per flight I still don't understand this, does anyone have any AC records to see what their numbers are?

Central America - up 9 per flight at 102. down again over last months average.

Europe -down 4 at 190, interestingly flights up 1%, passengers down 1.2%...

Middle East - 241 per flight based on this data, would love to see the split between TK and EK, however the average per flight is really not moving a whole lot, which suggests LF's are not increasing.

Trans- Pac - up 14 per flight at 168, again very consistent, but not increasing.

Of course without more detail, it's almost impossible to figure out more of the Load Factors and stuff, but 3.9% up on passengers on 1% reduction in flights is definitely the right direction.

May sees the arrival of CX and it's been a decent weather month so far, so we shall see.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 12:58 am

from another thread courtesy of member ASA, HU officially announced PVG 3x/week commencing 20 june.

Hainan More Than Doubles Its USA Footprint (by ASA May 20 2015 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 1:02 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 46):
Middle East - 241 per flight based on this data, would love to see the split between TK and EK, however the average per flight is really not moving a whole lot, which suggests LF's are not increasing.

I would assume there were really only 120 ME flights by EK and TK and 4 one-offs since we have 30 days in April. That being said assuming same scheduled planes were used (EK-77W and TK A343) April had a 77.5% LF combined and March 76.3%. Its going to be tough to do Year over Year comparisons as well until July since that is TK's first full month from last year.

There's going to be a lot of variables with these ME flights over the next year -

1) opening of C to E connector

2) EK starting MCO (lose a big B6 connection)

3) EK going Double Daily (may gain some MCO connect back for the time sensitive traveller)

4) QR starting BOS-DOH.

Does double daily wind up giving EK an economies of scale boost? ... having the second flight allows better connection with attracts the more time sensitive or layover weary passenger.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 46):

Trans- Pac - up 14 per flight at 168, again very consistent, but not increasing.

Assuming 60 JL flights and 34 HU flights - I calculated load factor for Asia flights at 84.3%. I

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 46):
Canada - up 1 38 per flight I still don't understand this, does anyone have any AC records to see what their numbers are?

You have PD too! up to 8 flights a day on BOS-YTZ. They started with 4-5 daily flights in 2009. Check aviationdb.com for history up until 10/2014.


Does anyone know what the South America roundtrip flight was during the month?
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 2:52 am

I still have a hard time believing BOS will have year round, non-stop flights to IST, TLV, DOH and DXB. I am hoping all of the flights stick around.

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