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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 12:57 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 49):

I still have a hard time believing BOS will have year round, non-stop flights to IST, TLV, DOH and DXB. I am hoping all of the flights stick around

And on the other side of Asia ... NRT, PEK, PVG, and HKG. Good times!  



PS: I am just talking geographically ...
I know IST is considered Europe,
but Anatolia is mostly Asia.
Don't flame me!  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 49):

I still have a hard time believing BOS will have year round, non-stop flights to IST, TLV, DOH and DXB. I am hoping all of the flights stick around.

TK and LY are fairly modest n terms of capacity though. Its just a lot of seats for the Gulf Carriers. If there were 788's or A359's for QR and EK it would seem a bit more reasonable.

Quoting ASA (Reply 50):
And on the other side of Asia ... NRT, PEK, PVG, and HKG. Good times!  

Stronger O+D on all the East Asia flights - not really worried about those personally unless 2008 repeats itself.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 1:53 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 51):
If there were 788's or A359's for QR and EK it would seem a bit more reasonable.

I agree. BOS is the poster child for those planes - long, thin, high-rev O&D routes. Perfect for the 787s and the smaller A350s.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 4:09 pm

I am going to assume there will some decent market stimulation now that Boston has non-stop flights those Asian cities. Plus people that would normally have flown out of PVD, MHT, PWM, or BDL will choose BOS for the non-stop flight vs. connecting through ORD, DTW, JFK, EWR, etc.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 4:30 pm

West Asia ... from nothing just about a year ago ....
0 in March 14 to 14 in March 15 to 31 in March 16

EK (DXB - 1x daily 77W since March 2014
... upgrade to 2x daily 77W from Oct 2015)
TK (1x daily 333/343 since May 2014)
LY (3x weekly 767 from June 28 2015)
QR (1x daily 359 from March 16 2016)


East Asia ... from 1x daily just about a year ago ...
7 in March 14 to 14 in March 15 to 21 in March 16

JL (1x daily 788 since 2012 that long already?)
HU (PEK - 788 4x weekly since May 2014
... upgrade to 1x daily since May 2015)
HU (PVG - 788 3x weekly from June 2015)
CX (HKG - 77W 4x weekly since May 2015)

As we see above, both West and East Asia has had meteoric rises in the number of flights and destinations ... especially seats to China have skyrocketed in the past year. I guess the coming year or two should see maturing of these routes ... and improving the economics of BOS routes rather than new destinations? Not many left on the Asian front anyway (many of us speculated about KE to ICN ... but now that seems slim). And West Asia seems over served too ... with EK going 2x daily later this year and QR starting up next March. But please bring it on if you want to! 

I drove by Logan last night and saw 2 BA 744s, 1 LH 744, 1 EK 77W, 1 TK 333 and 1 JL 788 parked. Definitely good times!  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 53):
Plus people that would normally have flown out of PVD, MHT, PWM, or BDL

I also know of a contacts and colleagues who live in the areas around Danbury, New Haven and Hartford who now use Logan for their travels to India, South East Asia instead of taking the long drives to JFK or EWR. Plus with B6 connections and codeshares it's also stimulating a lot more connections and hopefully in the future addnl. local destinations.

All in all - good for Boston  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Thu May 21, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 55):
I also know of a contacts and colleagues who live in the areas around Danbury, New Haven and Hartford who now use Logan for their travels to India, South East Asia instead of taking the long drives to JFK or EWR. Plus with B6 connections and codeshares it's also stimulating a lot more connections and hopefully in the future addnl. local destinations.

I've heard the same, a lot of folks on the coast of CT are taking the acela to South Station and flying out of Logan. Makes for a (relatively) easy travel - better than driving and sitting in traffic. Of course, your flight arrival time matters.


On another note,
How many 744/8s can they have parked at gates at Terminal E at the same time?
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 30, 2015 1:14 am

Random question: why has BOS had aircraft landing 4R yet departing 15R?

It doesn't make sense to me, given that the southeast flow is arrivals 15R/departures 9&15R, while the northeast flow is arrivals 4R, departures 4R&9. I get that sometimes (often) BOS would rather have quad-engines depart/arrive on either 15R/33L or 4R/22L due to length, but the mystery 4R/15R configuration uses two runways with over 90 degree difference. So unless the wind is exactly down the middle I don't see why they wouldn't just have them departing from the same (longer runway) that they land on?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 30, 2015 1:33 am

Quoting 33Lspotter (Reply 57):
Random question: why has BOS had aircraft landing 4R yet departing 15R?

It doesn't make sense to me, given that the southeast flow is arrivals 15R/departures 9&15R, while the northeast flow is arrivals 4R, departures 4R&9. I get that sometimes (often) BOS would rather have quad-engines depart/arrive on either 15R/33L or 4R/22L due to length, but the mystery 4R/15R configuration uses two runways with over 90 degree difference. So unless the wind is exactly down the middle I don't see why they wouldn't just have them departing from the same (longer runway) that they land on?

BOS will avoid landing on 15R to the maximum extent possible because it is the only runway that the approach goes directly over a densely populated area, plus in VFR conditions they like to use 4R and 4L for an increased arrival rate and in IFR conditions 4R is a CAT 3 runway and 15 R has higher than normal minimums due to an offset localizer.

What you describe sounds like an easterly wind. If the wind is out of the east...they will land 4R if at all possible even with a slight tailwind at times. Normally in this situation runway 9 would be the departure runway, but if 9 is closed they have two options. Share 4R with the arrivals which slows down landing traffic and causes delays (but is the only option in low visibility), or depart 15R. They can't use 4L for departures since jets are prohibited from taking off due to noise abatement. Often times foreign carriers and trams cons will request a longer runway for departure. If 9/4R is in use...it will be 4R most likely, 15R used to be used often in this situation with its proximity to Termianl E but they have become much more leery of doing this since the Aer Lingus/USAirways runway incursion incident.

If the wind is southerly and 4R can't be used, then 15r usually goes out of the picture and the config will usually be 22r /22L.

The 15R /9 config you mention is very rarely used and usually if it is in use 22L/4R is out of service for some reason. Otherwise the East config will be 9/4R and the South config will be 22r/22L and 27.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat May 30, 2015 1:49 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 58):
BOS will avoid landing on 15R to the maximum extent possible because it is the only runway that the approach goes directly over a densely populated area, plus in VFR conditions they like to use 4R and 4L for an increased arrival rate and in IFR conditions 4R is a CAT 3 runway and 15 R has higher than normal minimums due to an offset localizer.

I suppose that is understandable. I myself do enjoy them being visible from my living room as they come in low for 15R (usually ~1,600 MSL), but I know that the majority of my neighborhood doesn't.

Quoting apodino (Reply 58):
Often times foreign carriers and trams cons will request a longer runway for departure.

It's interesting that you say that—I often see 772/A332/763/etc. landing and departing 9/27, but rarely do you see quad-engine aircraft use it. Then again, the difference in MTOW between the former and the latter groups is rather notable.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun May 31, 2015 12:55 am

The next weeks are an action packed week for Logan with new destinations and airlines expected almost every week beginning with Aeromexico on Monday.

Does anyone know if Aeromexico will be departing from Terminal A or would it be Terminal E? I haven't heard Terminal A although they are part of SkyTeam so assuming both departures and arrivals will be E only?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun May 31, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 60):
I haven't heard Terminal A although they are part of SkyTeam so assuming both departures and arrivals will be E only?

Its E according to Massport's site.

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 60):
Aeromexico on Monday


AM's marketing manager made her own facebook page for the route:

https://www.facebook.com/AreoMexicoUSA?fref=ts

She's definitely using it and El Mundo Boston to reach out to the Latin American community in BOS area.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun May 31, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting 33Lspotter (Reply 59):
It's interesting that you say that—I often see 772/A332/763/etc. landing and departing 9/27, but rarely do you see quad-engine aircraft use it. Then again, the difference in MTOW between the former and the latter groups is rather notable.

Remember too that Europe from BOS is actually rather short given the range of the Airplanes involved. An A330 can easily do Europe from BOS without putting any fuel in the Center tanks, and the 777 as you well know does much longer missions than BOS-Europe elsewhere, so it is actually relatively light coming out of BOS. I don't know performance of the Four Engined airplanes that well, but the 747-400 even at light weights needs quite a bit of runway at flaps 20 to get airborne. I can't imagine there are many A340's left serving BOS as the plane makes no sense for anywhere in Europe from BOS.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun May 31, 2015 11:39 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 62):
I can't imagine there are many A340's left serving BOS as the plane makes no sense for anywhere in Europe from BOS.

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BOS-IST (going to A332 for a couple months and has A333 subbed-in)
BOS-MAD is scheduled with A333 but got a A346 subbed in on 5/21
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:11 am

I haven't seen any mention of this on a.net:
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...nded-to-include-scheduled-services
Rumor has it that they will be flying LIS-PDL-PVD.
I'm not surprised. With SATA replacing 4 A310's with 2 A330's it's obvious that they will have to cut some frequencies/routes thus leaving the door open for another carrier.

Quoting apodino (Reply 62):
I can't imagine there are many A340's left serving BOS as the plane makes no sense for anywhere in Europe from BOS.

It makes as much sense as a 772ER since both have about the same trip cost and yet there are loads of 772's operating TATL routes. Neither is as efficient as an A333 however but if A343's/772's is what you have then you just have to make lemonade out of lemons.

[Edited 2015-05-31 18:12:49]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:16 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 63):

Quoting apodino (Reply 62):
I can't imagine there are many A340's left serving BOS as the plane makes no sense for anywhere in Europe from BOS.

BOS-MUC
BOS-IST (going to A332 for a couple months and has A333 subbed-in)
BOS-MAD is scheduled with A333 but got a A346 subbed in on 5/21

VS used their A343 and 346 a lot until they started to phase them out. Swiss will occasionally bring in a 343 (tonight's flight shows as 343 on FlightAware). I've never seen a 340 depart from 9/27--doesn't mean it hasn't happened, only that I haven't seen it! They're such slow climbers, I would think you'd want to stick with the longer runways.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 60):

The next weeks are an action packed week for Logan with new destinations and airlines expected almost every week beginning with Aeromexico on Monday.

Can't wait!

Caught the mighty LH 748 descending onto Boston yesterday afternoon over the north shore ... followed by a VS 789. Wanted to fly the 748 this summer as I am going to FRA in two weeks ... but the nonstop ticket prices were crazy (almost $1800) even 2 months back ... TK was the cheapest around $900 but I wasn't interested in a 60% longer detour. FI and EI were the next cheapest options around $1200-1300. Finally chose a B6-SQ option for $1300 ... timings are good, and at least I get to fly the A380 on SQ JFK-FRA.

So many international connections and destinations, yet so expensive!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:25 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 64):
Rumor has it that they will be flying LIS-PDL-PVD.

Interesting - is there are a chance they are doing this for S4????

Quoting ASA (Reply 66):
So many international connections and destinations, yet so expensive!

BOS-LHR nonstop flights have softened a bit - under 1100 right now for July. Everything else though transatlantic - ouch
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:55 pm

Quoting rob2507 (Reply 65):
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 63):

Quoting apodino (Reply 62):
I can't imagine there are many A340's left serving BOS as the plane makes no sense for anywhere in Europe from BOS.

BOS-MUC
BOS-IST (going to A332 for a couple months and has A333 subbed-in)
BOS-MAD is scheduled with A333 but got a A346 subbed in on 5/21

VS used their A343 and 346 a lot until they started to phase them out. Swiss will occasionally bring in a 343 (tonight's flight shows as 343 on FlightAware). I've never seen a 340 depart from 9/27--doesn't mean it hasn't happened, only that I haven't seen it! They're such slow climbers, I would think you'd want to stick with the longer runways.

VS switched to the 789 for the winter but is now up to a 744, with the A346 scheduled back to fill in a few days here and there at the end of the summer.

The IB A346 isn't the scheduled MAD-BOS but part of the triangle flights operated once in a while by IB between JFK, ORD, BOS and MAD. Last month the flights did MAD-BOS-ORD and also the reverse (on a separate day) and in June they will do MAD-BOS-JFK and reverse. Part of how they position aircraft but not familiar with the details. This is why you will see some days with 2 IB flights on the ground at once in June (in May they operated on the scheduled no-op days of the 6166).
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:35 pm

Delta's BOS-MKE service started yesterday.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:06 am

Terminal E gates E8A and E8B will be removed from use as of July 6th. E7B will follow in October. For the expansion.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:36 am

Quoting rob2507 (Reply 65):
VS used their A343 and 346 a lot until they started to phase them out. Swiss will occasionally bring in a 343 (tonight's flight shows as 343 on FlightAware). I've never seen a 340 depart from 9/27--doesn't mean it hasn't happened, only that I haven't seen it! They're such slow climbers, I would think you'd want to stick with the longer runways.

I have seen BA triples and 744s along with AF 744s depart 9/27, but A340s are pretty rare. I've seen A340-300s depart 9 two, maybe three times. But that's just personal experience.

Arrivals are different; I've seen many quads arrive on runway 27.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 66):
So many international connections and destinations, yet so expensive!

Unfortunately I predicted this a couple of years ago. My theory was that with Asian/ME carrier taking traffic away from the EU based carriers, these would have to make up the difference somehow and that meant having the TATL passengers subsidizing the Asian bound passengers. And that is exactly what is happening. I bet you could fly with LH to India for the same price as your FRA ticket. IMO the market is primed for low cost carriers.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:15 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 72):
IMO the market is primed for low cost carriers.

WOW could be the litmus test at BOS; if they do well over the next year or so perhaps we'll see more LCC's enter the TATL market.

Could we possibly see Norwegian come to BOS?

[Edited 2015-06-07 08:15:59]

[Edited 2015-06-07 08:16:24]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 72):
My theory was that with Asian/ME carrier

I would say this was a 100% lost chance for US3 carriers than EU based carriers. The Asian based carriers (CX, HU, JL) are catering to the huge student population and an outstanding industry options in Boston. I read an article sometime back -I think the Fall semester for Economics class graduation at BU was 100% Chinese students. Education plays a huge role for Asian students+ parents and I have myself got browny points when speaking with Asian clients when I say I live in Boston  

As regards EK and would be QR, I would bet most of the traffic is bound towards India or primarily towards India. Even then I would still say that LH or BA is not bad if you are traveling to BOM or DEL. The travel time is extremely convenient compared to EK or QR where one would have to sit in an extremely long 14 hr. flight even though the flight from BOM-DXB is only 2 hours. I think LH and BA relaxed their check-in bags policy for India bound passengers - that's a huge deal or a mega deal for Indians -  

So, I think EU based carriers will have to stay on top of ME2 in BOS and will be quite successful - not including all the other paraphernialia such as the huge gold shopping and other circus events going on in DXB   But the general perception is always that Middle East is more friendlier for Indians compared to Europe - I don't know why but that seems to be the perception!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 73):

WOW could be the litmus test at BOS; if they do well over the next year or so perhaps we'll see more LCC's enter the TATL market.
Could we possibly see Norwegian come to BOS?

Both WOW and FI need to change their schedule. Connecting in KEF in the middle of the night is an absolute miserable experience. You'll do it once but never again   This year we're flying SATA BOS-LIS-MUC for less than $1000 in July, with a stop over in Lisbon to visit family. It's a much better option than the stop in KEF.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 75):
Both WOW and FI need to change their schedule. Connecting in KEF in the middle of the night is an absolute miserable experience.

FI schedule is strange but it works for them - The two night flights arrive at KEF at 5:55 am and 6:45 am. Its perfect for their bank of morning departures. I believe their arrival in BOS of the two flights is even closer.

The 2pm departure arriving at 11:30pm is a head scratcher though unless it really is designed for US-Iceland O+D with B6 feed.

I think WOW took what was given to them- Its probably worse in winter being completely dark outside at 4am. I think they have to be very conservative too (no layovers under 2 hours) since they don't have a lot of slack in their fleet for IRROPS.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 76):
The 2pm departure arriving at 11:30pm is a head scratcher though unless it really is designed for US-Iceland O+D with B6 feed.

It is for those people who don't want to sleep on a plane. They offer an overnight stay in Iceland as a break-up for the trip. It arrives a little too late though for this if you ask me. It would be better if it got in closer to about 8 or so, so you had more than a couple of hours.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 76):
FI schedule is strange but it works for them - The two night flights arrive at KEF at 5:55 am and 6:45 am. Its perfect for their bank of morning departures.

That's the thing. It's great for the airline but terrible for the passenger. If a LCC like Norwegian or Condor were to start service from BOS with onward connections, I think they would cause some serious damage to both WW and FI because all things being equal, most people would take the option of not having to connect in the middle of the night. The 9:30pm departure is just marginally acceptable. The other 2 are just too early.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:53 pm

Did Thomas Cook announce BOS-MAN or was that just a rumor?

I answered my own question - starts in May 2016.

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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 79):

Did Thomas Cook announce BOS-MAN or was that just a rumor?

I answered my own question - starts in May 2016.

MAY 2016 ?!!!

Why did they need to announce more than one year ahead?  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 80):
Why did they need to announce more than one year ahead?  

A lot of these Euro Charter hybrids Thomas Cook, Thomson, JetAirFly, etc take bookings more than a year ahead.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 78):
I think they would cause some serious damage to both WW and FI because all things being equal, most people would take the option of not having to connect in the middle of the night.

I don't see "connecting in the middle of the night" being a big deal - you are messing with your body/mind regardless due to time-changes anyways. Geography plays a role too in these timings - KEF is closer to BOS than BOS is to LAX.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 75):
Connecting in KEF in the middle of the night is an absolute miserable experience.
Quoting airbazar (Reply 78):
That's the thing. It's great for the airline but terrible for the passenger. If a LCC like Norwegian or Condor were to start service from BOS with onward connections, I think they would cause some serious damage to both WW and FI because all things being equal, most people would take the option of not having to connect in the middle of the night.

Huh?

With the exception of a few east coast to LHR flights and (I think) one JFK to CDG flight, aren't all US to Europe flights overnight, landing in the early morning (or what I guess you would call "the middle of the night")?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:33 pm

Condor is set to start PVD-FRA in less than 2 weeks.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:34 am

Quoting hinckley (Reply 82):

With the exception of a few east coast to LHR flights and (I think) one JFK to CDG flight, aren't all US to Europe flights overnight, landing in the early morning (or what I guess you would call "the middle of the night")?

Most carriers give you 2 options, at least in the Summer. LH421 for example arrives in FRA at 11am local time, 5am BOS time. The early flight however is miserable and I avoid it like the plague. Also, the flights to most mainland Europe are about 2 hours longer which allow for a bit more sleep. On the flight to KEF, they're asking you to sit upright for landing in 4 hours or less after departure. Any TATL flight that departs before 9PM from BOS is tough because the flight is so short.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:08 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 80):
MAY 2016 ?!!!

Why did they need to announce more than one year ahead?  

I have no idea. From what I've read about them, they may be awaiting new aircraft to enter the fleet.

They could provide downward pressure on air travel for leisure passengers next summer. MAN isn't a bad connection point.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:42 pm

BTS T-100 was released yesterday for December 2014.

Top 10 International routes by passengers at Logan for 2014

London - 868024
Paris - 321779
Dublin - 308517
Frankfurt - 281970
Amsterdam 250758
Reykjavik 184906
Munich 152278
Dubai 146760
Zurich 141611
Tokyo 110649


London, Munich and Zurich down very slightly under 1.5%
Frankfurt, Dublin, Reykjavik and Rome (not in top 10) up between 6-10%
Paris and Amsterdam down 3-5%
Madrid went off a cliff down 18% but that may be capacity related as well as the economic issues in Spain.

This does show the ME3 do not have a major impact on the JV carriers. We are not seeing 20% losses at all.

Istanbul will probably be #8-10 for 2015 and bump Tokyo out of top 10
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 86):
Top 10 International routes by passengers at Logan for 2014

London - 868024
Paris - 321779
Dublin - 308517
Frankfurt - 281970
Amsterdam 250758
Reykjavik 184906
Munich 152278
Dubai 146760
Zurich 141611
Tokyo 110649
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 86):
This does show the ME3 do not have a major impact on the JV carriers. We are not seeing 20% losses at all.

Istanbul will probably be #8-10 for 2015 and bump Tokyo out of top 10

Thanks a lot for the stats, adamh8297.

This probably shows why EK doubled down on BOS ... because there is much more traffic to 'steal' and the BOS-DXB route probably has more room to grow / stimulate. Same goes for IST ... c'mon TK!  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:48 pm

Quoting hinckley (Reply 82):
With the exception of a few east coast to LHR flights and (I think) one JFK to CDG flight, aren't all US to Europe flights overnight, landing in the early morning (or what I guess you would call "the middle of the night")?

icelandair does have one early afternoon departure from Logan, getting in late at night. The other two flights are red-eyes.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 86):
Top 10 International routes by passengers at Logan for 2014

Just to give another POV - wouldn't it be possible that they started service to DXB only 10th March so the other carriers had a better headstart?  

Imagine how the stacks will be lined when QR starts service next year  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:27 pm

Forgot Canada!!! Revised top 10 and separated the Toronto airports.

London - 868024
Paris - 321779
Dublin - 308517
Frankfurt - 281970
Amsterdam 250758
Reykjavik 184906
Toronto City 171393
Munich 152278
Toronto Pearson 148203
Dubai 146760
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:34 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 89):
ust to give another POV - wouldn't it be possible that they started service to DXB only 10th March so the other carriers had a better headstart?  

Good point - real war of attrition happens from mid Jan to Mid March

On the other hand, LH increased their capacity starting that summer though.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 90):
Toronto City 171393

Those Q400s are earning their keep out of BOS
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:43 pm

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/06/12/air-and-water/Z8n7t14wYwdjKnBRZZfGyI/story.html#

Neat concept, I would definitely try it. I could see a possible charter market for wealthier customers in the Northeast coming from this.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:48 pm

Now that adamh8297 has helped me analyze the BTS T-100 data correctly (thanks hugely by the way), I've done some analysis of the 2014 Load factors that should interest folks..


Firstly ORH - for all you folks thinking this is a dead duck place to go. (I've rounded the pax count, so that's why the LF's are not the same even though it says 28k or 29K pax.

Overall LF 83.8% 115K pax transported

Inbound ORH : FLL : 29K pax, 85.3% LF, Best LF 90% in May, Worst LF 77.9% Oct.
MCO: 28K pax, 81.8% LF, Best LF 86.7% in May, Worst LF 73.9% March

Outbound ORH: FLL : 29K pax, 85.2% LF, Best LF 89.7% in Jan, Worst LF 74.7% Sep.
MCO: 29K pax, 83.1% LF, Best LF 88.9% in Dec, Worst LF 72.2% March

So not knocking it out of the park, but with the subsidies, I am sure it's not losing B6 a whole lot of money.

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BOS International Highlights (excluding Canada and, US3)

AF - 237K total, 79.8% LF, Inbound 121K pax, 81.3%, Outbound, 116K pax, 78.3%

AZ - 108K total, 79.2% LF, Inbound 55K pax, 79.6%, Outbound, 54K pax, 78.7%

BA - 614K total, 81.8% LF, Inbound 313K pax, 83.2%, Outbound, 301K pax, 80.3%

CM - 67K total, 72.4% LF, Inbound 34K pax, 72.8%, Outbound 33K pax, 72%

EI - 397K total, 81.6% LF, Inbound 199K pax, 81.7%, Outbound 198K pax, 81.6%

EK (9 months) - 147k pax total 79.6% LF, 248 per flight, Inbound - 72K pax 78.3%, but... Oct 49.6%, Nov 56.4% and Dec 64% really dragged this done. Outbound - 75K pax, 81% LF, but Sept 65.6% and Oct 70.4% dragged this down.

FI - 185K total, 83.3%, 153 per flight. Inbound 92K pax, 82.7%, Outbound 93K, 84%

HU (6 months) - 51K pax, total, 86.7% LF 184 per flight. Inbound - 26K pax, 86.3% LF, Outbound 26K, 87.2% LF

IB - 70K total, 77.3%, Inbound, 37K pax, 79.6%, Outbound 33K pax, 74.9%

LH - 434K total, 80.7% LF, Inbound, 219K pax, 81.4%, Outbound 215K pax, 80.1%

LX - 141K total, 83.9% LF, Inbound, 70K pax, 82.5%, Outbound 71K pax, 85.3%

JL - 111K pax, total 81.4%, 151 per flight, Inbound- 56K pax, 81.7%, Outbound 55K pax, 81.1%

S4 - 99K total, 84% LF, 187 per flight, Inbound 50K pax, 85.2%, Outbound 49K pax, 82.8%

TK - (7 months) - 105K total, 84.4% LF, 231 per flight, Inbound 52K pax, 84.2%, Outbound, 53K pax 84.7%

VS - 151K total, 78.4% LF, 210 per flight, Inbound 74K pax, 76.3%, Outbound 77K, 80.5%

I will leave you to draw your own conclusions, but right now seems room for everyone, shame this data is 6 months behind, but everyone seems to be settling in ok, with the exception of those nasty EK loads later in the year.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:56 pm

May Logan Traffic numbers are out.

Figures below are year over year

Overall 4.1% up on passengers

12.6M passed through in 5 months. 0.5M up on this time last year.

Domestic is up 3%, with 1.3% less flights (LF increases  ), 5% increase in Jet passengers offset by lower commuter and charter.

International is up 11.5% with 5.5% more flights
All regions except Central America carried more Pax, which i assume is Copa. Down 5.4%

Busy times at BOS and more to come...
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 94):
Worst LF 73.9% March

Weird I thought some spring breakers in Central Mass colleges would go to Orlando or either coast near Orlando.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 95):
All regions except Central America carried more Pax, which i assume is Copa. Down 5.4%

Going to 5 weekly for March-May was a smart move for CM though I originally questioned not having Friday flights (I would have chopped Tues/Thur) - They are up to 93.4% LF.

Assuming HU+JL ran daily and CX the remained - I got 89% LF for Transpac - the pax count also tripled to/from the region!

Middle East TK/EK was 78.6%.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:41 am

HU start their flight from BOS-PVG from Saturday June 20 - Hurrah!

EL-Al is starting their flight from BOS-TLV the very next week - does anyone know where the secondary inspection space would be located? I have heard from people who travel to TLV that in many airports in Europe they are taken to a complete desolated area to do secondary inspection prior to boarding the flight - so just curious.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:43 am

The guy running TK says they don't need a bigger plane; they need more frequencies. So, is TK a candidate to go double-daily?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 4

Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:50 am

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 98):

The guy running TK says they don't need a bigger plane; they need more frequencies. So, is TK a candidate to go double-daily?

Personally I think something was lost in translation. I think what he meant was that they want more routes to more cities. That's been how they've differentiated from the ME3. Just look at the sheer variety of cities that they serve in Europe and Africa. How many N.American cities do they serve more than once a day? ORD and JFK only?

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