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Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 9:48 am

Good morning everyone and welcome to our next new Irish aviation thread!

Here's the link to the last if anyone wants to reminisce wistfully: Irish 7/15: Ag Eitilt Sa Todhchai (by kaitak Apr 28 2015 in Civil Aviation)

We're still waiting for the green light on the EI issue; foot dragging by Labour and continuing opposition by unions (apparently despite the wishes of EI frontline staff) seems to be the issue. Paradoxically, a lacklustre new EI CEO may actually help EI's cause, in that a lack of confidence in the airline's new leadership may persuade many that investment (and new leadership) by IAG is needed sooner rather than later. Kavanagh's comments on ET taking up space are a case in point.

Speaking of ET, its move from its FCO hub to DUB is to begin this week, with the LAX route to start next month.

EI is launch two specially painted aircraft, those previously operated by Virgin - 'DEI and 'DEO - with a new rugby related paint scheme - a very welcome move.

Let's hope this thread seems some positive developments ...
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 10:18 am

Great to see a new carrier at BHD. The Vueling service to BCN commenced.

Hola Belfast! Leading low cost Spanish airline arrives at Belfast City Airport





New routes to Barcelona will operate twice a week at first then rising to three times per week in June

George Best Belfast City Airport has today welcomed the arrival of its first flight from Barcelona operated by Vueling Airlines, one of Europe’s fastest growing airlines.

Owned by Willie Walsh’s International Airlines Group (IAG), the Spanish airline will operate a twice weekly service (Thursday and Sunday) between Belfast City Airport and its Barcelona El Prat base.

http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/be...a-belfast-leading-low-cost-9203099
 
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Sat May 09, 2015 12:15 pm

Congrats BHD! Good on them.
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Sat May 09, 2015 1:49 pm

 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):

New rugby livery


http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=9256


it certainly looks different. Other than enlarging the Aer Lingus titles I think it looks spot on.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 2:03 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
it certainly looks different. Other than enlarging the Aer Lingus titles I think it looks spot on.

Yes I like it alot. Looks great. They should do more in future with football/GAA clubs.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 3:04 pm

Really like it but think they should only of used 3 and not 4 players. The last one at the tail makes it look cluttered.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 6):

I assume the 4 was so there would be one from each province... Personally I hate it. It looks cheap and low cost and nasty
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 3:41 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 7):
It looks cheap and low cost and nasty

Its a far cry from the EI.COM days and in fairness they have applied more attention to detail on the application of this livery than some of the standard livery fleet.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):

I suppose it's a matter of taste. Guess I don't like cheap and tacky. Maybe you do Phil
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 4:26 pm

I'm always in two minds about these type of liveries. While Irish passengers with an interest in sport are likely to appreciate it, it will be of no relevance whatsoever to many other passengers. Non-Irish passengers, or Irish passengers with little or no interest in sport, will struggle to connect with such a livery. From this perspective, it could actually detract from the brand, rather than aid it. I also feel that linking the brand to very specific personalities in a very visible manner (such as in this case) is not always a great idea as there is always the risk that public opinion could turn against of these individuals - there are countless examples of this occurring. I think the risks probably outweigh the very limited benefits.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 9):
I suppose it's a matter of taste. Guess I don't like cheap and tacky. Maybe you do Phil

Indeed but its far from that and its hard to fathom how you come to that conclusion either. Of course people have different likes and dislikes but I hate cheap and tacky too so maybe its you? What exactly in detail do you find tacky? What aspects of the livery and specific parts of the livery make you think that?
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 7:09 pm

Haha I'm only teasing. But I do think it looks a bit tacky with players faces and the squashed cheat line etc. but just my opinion
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 7:26 pm

Quoting EI121,reply=124(from previous thread):
Can anyone confirm the days and times of EI LAX and SFO flights pre 2008/2009? Im just intrigued how EI could only operate up to 3 (?) days a week to SFO and now it can operate daily.
EI's LAX route operated from Summer 1999 up to and including Summer 2008. The LAX timetable at the time of closure in October 2008 is below as well at the SFO one:

DUB-LAX
EI145 dep. 11:00, arr. 14:05 MWFSaSu 332

DUB-SFO
EI147 dep. 09:40, arr. 12:25 MTuWThFSaSu 332

LAX-DUB
EI144 dep. 16:15, arr. 10:15+1 MWFSaSu 332

SFO-DUB
EI146 dep. 14:35, arr. 08:35+1 MTuWThFSaSu 332

When SFO was cut a year later, it operated a similar schedule to above, but at 4x weekly instead of daily.

Remember as well that in 2008 the effects of the economic downturn were only just beginning to be felt. It was also the year that fuel prices sky-rocketed.

[Edited 2015-05-09 12:27:40]
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sat May 09, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 10):

Irish Rugby is going through something of a Golden Era right now and is keenly followed globally by Rugby fans in much the same way (although obviously not to as large an audience) as Man Utd are globally admired.

This logo-jet may mean very little to non sports-fans but to those with even a slight knowledge of how well Ireland is doing it will create something of a talking point and sure of anything will get the camera lenses clicking at airports all around Europe!!!!

This can only be a good marketing alliance for EI. And besides, you never heard a word being said about Cityjets Leinster Jet!!!!!
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 12:13 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):

I like this logojet! I don't have a massive interest in rugby myself but I think its nice to have something like this. It'll stir up some sort of interest wherever it goes. I do agree though that the Aer Lingus titles need to be a bit bigger and the font on the 'Official Airline...' is naff, its reminding me of old Microsoft Word Times New Roman era.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 7):
I assume the 4 was so there would be one from each province... Personally I hate it. It looks cheap and low cost and nasty

Cheap and Low cost was the National Express livery on FR. I personally love it seeing past the Rugby designs there could be a potential new livery for EI?

Any word if the Rugby safety demo got the go ahead?
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 2:15 pm

Pleasant flight with LH this morning out of DUB at 0550. LF around 65%. LX was my prefference but not a single seat in Y or J to be had. Lots of EI A/C at the A and B gates with BA A320 and E jet at the A too. I saw the logo jet next to a FR plane parked near the A gates. Looks great in real life. Captured it on my take off video too.


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/64F72B46-3F13-493F-AECB-56367F4B2653_zpsmfmpu0lg.jpg
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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/2688909A-BB6F-4312-A986-8BE28A230DA3_zps6rjgpzzl.jpg

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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/4F080B45-B82F-4E46-97E2-EFB49DEBE1DA_zpsbhfftwng.jpg

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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/F666DE99-57B5-4480-827A-06B4B0C0305D_zpsccyesb0d.jpg

All in all a decent flight with nice crew. Quite a few connecting to DME and ADD surprising enough !
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 4:02 pm

Just to respond to EIBoston from the last thread. I'm not 100% on the EI-EWR activity. My info was that EI were never going to have it in hand until early April. I assumed this was to do with the previous lease, or maybe EI did't think they would need it till then.
I wonder what it looks like inside, I would assume it will need a whole new interior to match the EI fleet.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 4:20 pm

I notice EI still put a saint's name on the #GreenSpirit jet, EI-DEO - St Sebastian. Is this the first time they've used a non-Irish saint's name?
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 5:17 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 19):

I notice EI still put a saint's name on the #GreenSpirit jet, EI-DEO - St Sebastian. Is this the first time they've used a non-Irish saint's name?

I think so. Seem's odd they used this name as they still have a few previously used names not current in service (Maeve, Colmcille) and perhaps a few from any ATR that Stobart have gotten rid of with the arrival of the newer -600's
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 6:24 pm

Not crazy about the rugby theme jets but it is somewhat appropriate for the scrum around the T2 gates each morning.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 19):
Is this the first time they've used a non-Irish saint's name?

Discounting St Patrick , who certainly was a non-national , I think so, it may be an odd choice in the light of the current Referendum
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 7:16 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 19):
Quoting dstc47 (Reply 21):

Surely St Paul would be most appropriate................
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 7:25 pm

Today's Scandi from DUB-OSL had to make an emergency descent due to a decompression issue.

Sas Dub To Oslo Decompression Emerg Desc (by 321neoLR May 10 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Aircraft was LN-RPM; diverted to Aberdeen.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 8:21 pm

Dublin's first scheduled Ethiopian transit visitor is en route ADD-DUB as flight ET500. It should be a B777-200LR and ETA is 0500 local.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 13):
EI's LAX route operated from Summer 1999 up to and including Summer 2008. The LAX timetable at the time of closure in October 2008 is below as well at the SFO one:

DUB-LAX
EI145 dep. 11:00, arr. 14:05 MWFSaSu 332

DUB-SFO
EI147 dep. 09:40, arr. 12:25 MTuWThFSaSu 332

LAX-DUB
EI144 dep. 16:15, arr. 10:15+1 MWFSaSu 332

SFO-DUB
EI146 dep. 14:35, arr. 08:35+1 MTuWThFSaSu 332

When SFO was cut a year later, it operated a similar schedule to above, but at 4x weekly instead of daily.

Remember as well that in 2008 the effects of the economic downturn were only just beginning to be felt. It was also the year that fuel prices sky-rocketed.

Thanks so much for getting back to me! Really appreciate it. Interesting to see the early departure times for both routes, particular the SFO route. Considering it was operated daily and also with the early departure time probably solely relied on O&D pax. Also pretty amazed how long the LAX flight operated for and that it was year round. Just goes to show how different things are during the Celtic Tiger times. I definitely see LAX returning in the near future with maybe a 11:30/12pm departure time. However would there be enough demand for both a ET and EI LAX route?

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Anyone heard anything regarding the IAG offer being discussed this week? I know it was meant to be discuss last week but wasn't. Unbelievable how long this is taken.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Sun May 10, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 19):
I notice EI still put a saint's name on the #GreenSpirit jet, EI-DEO - St Sebastian. Is this the first time they've used a non-Irish saint's name?
Quoting dstc47 (Reply 21):
Discounting St Patrick , who certainly was a non-national , I think so, it may be an odd choice in the light of the current Referendum

Saint Sebastian is the patron saint of Athletes.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 3:26 am

 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 11:31 am

Travel Extra is reporting that the EI IAD service has been extended to the 4th January.

Anyone have a source?
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting EI121 (Reply 28):

Travel Extra are usually on point about such news. Not really a suprise but what impact may it havw on UA, will they continue but on the positive both carriers may ensure there is a daily IAD service.

If frequancy stays the same it will mean in toral EI will have an additional daily US departure ex DUB in November/December. Very inportent to reduce dependance outside of summer season.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting EI121 (Reply 28):

If its in TE then its confirmed. They get the info direct from EI soucres.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 18):
Just to respond to EIBoston from the last thread. I'm not 100% on the EI-EWR activity. My info was that EI were never going to have it in hand until early April. I assumed this was to do with the previous lease, or maybe EI did't think they would need it till then.
I wonder what it looks like inside, I would assume it will need a whole new interior to match the EI fleet.

You may well be correct Eagleboy. Hopefully it will be back this week. I guess lots of people don't really care too much about the plane they are on, once it is clean, has good service and hopefully some IFE for long haul travel. Might be a little upset though if I had booked J and ended up on a Titan 767 though instead of the new product from EI.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 3:32 pm

Does anyone know if the Ethiopian transit stopping aircraft have a crew change in Dublin or do they have to go the full hog?
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 29):
If frequancy stays the same it will mean in toral EI will have an additional daily US departure ex DUB in November/December. Very inportent to reduce dependance outside of summer season.

Given EI's previous (mis) adventures in the Washington area, I get the feeling they will play this one very cautiously - i'd imagine if January bookings look healthy, they may make a decision to go year round by the end of the summer. It's certainly a good sign that it has already been extended, and I've heard it has strong forward bookings over the next few weeks.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 32):
Does anyone know if the Ethiopian transit stopping aircraft have a crew change in Dublin or do they have to go the full hog?

I don't know for certain, but I would be EXTREMELY surprised if they went all the way through from ADD to anywhere in the US. The ADD-DUB/vv can be done with a single crew, but DUB-LAX would definitely require a relief crewmember. The DUB-IAD/YYZ could probably be done with a single crew too.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 4:38 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):

Thanks for that. Sounds almost nightmarish of a duty!
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 31):
Might be a little upset though if I had booked J and ended up on a Titan 767 though instead of the new product from EI.

We can but hope such a scenario happens close to home...........
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Mon May 11, 2015 9:51 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):

Thought I read on another forum they did a deal to expand the current one with a Dublin Airport hotel. Im sure someone will spot them as their uniforms stand out.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Tue May 12, 2015 11:49 am

Ethiopian in DUB today.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/namcys11/17360933049/in/dateposted/
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Tue May 12, 2015 11:21 pm

DL recently updated winter 15/16 operations and JFK see's A333 replacing B764. Last winter B764 was used to increase capacity as ATL was suspended at relatively short notice.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Wed May 13, 2015 7:24 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 39):

That's a lot of capacity for winter. AA will probably drop JFK for winter as they usually do but UA, EI and a DL A330 is still a lot to fill post Christmas
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Wed May 13, 2015 8:44 am

Easyjet is due to unveil a major new European route from Belfast in the coming weeks, its boss in Ireland has said.

In an interview with the Belfast Telegraph, easyJet's head of Ireland Ali Gayward said around six or seven locations were in the running for a new direct route from Belfast International Airport - starting in winter.

But she wouldn't be drawn on speculation a direct Belfast route to Copenhagen was on the cards.

And it's believed the old Berlin route is one which could be revived, or alternate links to other German cities including Hamburg or Frankfurt - which could draw both business and tourism traffic.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/busi...x-profit-31216943.html#player_load
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Wed May 13, 2015 12:50 pm

EZY don't serve FRA at all at present so that one would seem unlikely.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Wed May 13, 2015 1:50 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 40):

Yes AA are gone, DL had a really good winter last year and seem to be much better on JFK outside of summer season. April/May/September/October usually see mostly 752's.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Wed May 13, 2015 9:46 pm

Copenhagen or Berlin please   
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Thu May 14, 2015 1:15 pm

Was shopping at the retail park opposite ATH today. Just as EI from DUB landed. Had a good view but sadly couldnt get pics. Good to see the seasonal service back  
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Thu May 14, 2015 2:07 pm

Update from the DAA. DUB has seen a 52% increase in pax from Northern Ireland:
http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...ows_NI_Business_By_52_in_2014.aspx

"The number of Northern Ireland residents using Dublin Airport increased by 52% to a record 864,000 last year. Dublin Airport witnessed a significant increase in business from Northern Ireland residents during 2014, as the airport’s route network continued to grow and daa invested further in promoting Dublin Airport directly to consumers in Northern Ireland. ...............................Dublin Airport also continues to be the main international gateway for visitors to Northern Ireland, as 65% of all passengers who come by air to the island of Ireland passed through Dublin Airport last year."


Some N.I. based posters may not be too happy with this stat if it doesn't suit their own opinions.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Thu May 14, 2015 2:32 pm

Twenty years ago when I lived in Belfast, people did travel to Dublin to catch a flight. There was more choice and often fares were lower. And that was in the bad old days!

So I guess its not really a surprise that now with APD and a good road to DUB and a frequent bus service, that more people from the north are flying from there.

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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Thu May 14, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting richcandy (Reply 47):

I honestly don't get what some northern commentators are getting so upset about - the border counties are equidistant to DUB or BFS, so can choose from either. Just because BFS is within the statelet, BFS has a right to that traffic? No, it doesn't. And I'm sure many in the Rep border counties also use BFS when convenient, but we won't hear about that of course.
 
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RE: Irish 8/15: Wings Over Ireland

Thu May 14, 2015 5:55 pm

More bad news for Belfast.
Bombardier (Shorts) are to make up to 300 redundant there as part of a world-wide programme of consolidation.
Most job losses there are likely to be temporary or contract workers.

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