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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Tue May 12, 2015 4:29 pm

I've probably missed the answer elsewhere, but I was under the impression Iran was unable to source new or used aircrafts due to economic sanctions. Obviously they've been able to get 747-400s in recent years so they don't seem to be hindered too much, but how does this all work. I'm just curious, no comment to make on political items.
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

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Question:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 50):
I've probably missed the answer elsewhere, but I was under the impression Iran was unable to source new or used aircrafts due to economic sanctions. Obviously they've been able to get 747-400s in recent years so they don't seem to be hindered too much, but how does this all work. I'm just curious, no comment to make on political items.

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Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 44):
It was run through a front company in Iraq where the planes were parked apparently then moved to Iran. They did not announce the deal till all planes were in Iran. There is 1 A321 as well. $300 million is the price tag.

If you Google "Iran’s Mahan airline defies sanctions in shadowy aircraft deal" you can read the full FT article solarflyer22 is referencing for free.
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Wed May 13, 2015 9:38 am

It baffles me that we continue to accept this hypocracy. Yes, there are funds flowing from Iran to certain terrorist groups. But that is chicken feed compared to the sums that flow from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to other terrorist groups.

The Iranian government, the Qatari government and the Saudi government alike categorically denies official involvement in sponsoring these terrorist groups. Maybe they are all clean. Maybe they are all dirty. But only Iran is being officialy sanctioned.

Is the real reason for the sanctions really terrorist funding? Or is it something else?
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Wed May 13, 2015 12:37 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 51):
Question:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 50):I've probably missed the answer elsewhere, but I was under the impression Iran was unable to source new or used aircrafts due to economic sanctions. Obviously they've been able to get 747-400s in recent years so they don't seem to be hindered too much, but how does this all work. I'm just curious, no comment to make on political items.
Answer:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 44):It was run through a front company in Iraq where the planes were parked apparently then moved to Iran. They did not announce the deal till all planes were in Iran. There is 1 A321 as well. $300 million is the price tag.
If you Google "Iran’s Mahan airline defies sanctions in shadowy aircraft deal" you can read the full FT article solarflyer22 is referencing for free.

Thanks - I will read it!
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Wed May 13, 2015 4:56 pm

OK, so Mahan Air seems to have its fleet plans sorted out, but what about IR?

It could certainly do with a few A340s; its most modern aircraft at present is the A300-600 and A310 (not sure how many of the latter it has left?), but a few A346s would help it modernise.

Could IR achieve a similar deal?

Also, given that the Americans didn't sanction this deal, might there be repurcussions for VS? I would think it very unlikely, given that it's the second flag carrier of a close ally, but some in the US could ask questions as to where they thought Al-Naser Airlines was going to use these aircraft? Can they be deemed to know that the end user might be an Iranian airline (especially given that many of us on this forum guessed this!)? Hopefully not, but one never knows, especially with Republicans doing everything possible to try and embarrass or undermine the Obama administration.
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Wed May 13, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting hilram (Reply 52):
Is the real reason for the sanctions really terrorist funding? Or is it something else?

As a signatory to the Non ProliferationTreaty the sanctions are for Iran not abiding by its treaty obligations and pursuing an "illegal" nuclear program. Terrorism is a secondary factor to most of the rest of the world except the US.

I would think having RR engines, any US sourced parts on the A346 must be low compared to other Airbus products.
 
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Thu May 14, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 54):
Also, given that the Americans didn't sanction this deal, might there be repurcussions for VS?

Ex-VS aircraft, but not a VS deal.
 
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Sun May 24, 2015 12:23 am

Looks like Treasury department is trying to make these airplanes "Blockable" assets they can seize if flown overseas. And they've also sanctioned the Iraqi Airline involved. Real shame as Mahan Airline sanctions are dubious at best as its only based on flights into Syria.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sanc...sale-to-irans-mahan-air-1432250073

The U.S. has imposed sanctions on Mahan Air three times since 2011 for allegedly shipping arms to the Syrian government; ferrying members of Iran’s elite military unit, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps; and providing transport for the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which Washington has designated as a terrorist organization.

Israeli officials have warned the Obama administration in recent months that the nine Airbus planes could be used by Iran for military purposes and to bolster Hezbollah, according to the people briefed on the deliberations. The Israeli government had pushed the U.S. for months to block the delivery, they said.

An Israeli government spokesman in Washington declined to comment.

The Treasury Department said the nine aircraft have been designated as “blockable” interests, making it risky for Mahan Air to fly them on international routes.

Treasury imposed sanctions on Iraq-based Al-Naser Airlines; Syrian businessman Issam Shammout; and his United Arab Emirates-based company Sky Blue Bird Aviation for allegedly serving as fronts for Mahan Air to buy the airplanes from European companies. The U.S. said there was no indication the sellers knew Iran was the ultimate buyer of eight Airbus A340s and one Airbus A320.

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Treasury Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence Adam Szubin said the Obama administration remains committed to enforcing sanctions on Iran, regardless of the nuclear diplomacy.

“We will continue to actively counter Iranian sanctions evasion, whether in support of terrorist entities or other sanctioned parties,” he said.

The U.S. and Tehran have set a June 30 deadline for an agreement that would constrain much of Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for moves by world powers to lift international sanctions.

The Treasury Department said Al-Naser Airlines had been working for Mahan Air since at least late 2013 to buy Airbus aircraft. Al-Naser paid tens of millions of dollar for each of them, according to the U.S. government.

Mr. Shammout and Sky Blue Bird Aviation also have been working to procure parts and aircraft for Mahan Air, Treasury said. The U.S. said it was possible Mahan Air purchased other aircraft as well.

The Treasury’s sanctions freeze any assets Al-Naser Airlines or Mr. Shammout hold in the U.S. American entities are also banned from doing business with either the Iraqi company or the Syrian businessman.

Those affected by the Treasury action couldn’t be reached to comment Thursday. Mahan Air has denied any involvement in international terrorism.

Outside experts tracking the sale said documents made public last year had indicated Mahan Air was moving to purchase the Airbus planes through front companies in the Isle of Man.

“The purchase by Al-Naser airlines of eight long haul Airbus aircraft has been public knowledge at least since October 2014. Yet, no action was taken by U.S. authorities until after the aircraft was delivered to Mahan Air, two weeks ago,” said Emanuele Ottolenghi of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington think tank that is critical of the Iran diplomacy. “It is hard to imagine, therefore, that U.S. authorities were caught by surprise by this blatant violation of their own sanctions.”

U.S. officials said they have worked aggressively to combat Mahan Air’s attempts to procure aircraft illegally. They said Washington disrupted earlier efforts to export two planes and spare parts to the Iranian government, before the recent shipments went through.

These officials said the warnings announced Thursday will make it extremely difficult for Mahan Air to use the nine planes internationally. “We want to disrupt Mahan Air’s ability to use them,” said a senior U.S. official.
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Sun May 24, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 57):

Nice. Sounds like the US was just waiting to sanction someone and wanted to see Mahan fork over some money first. When the deal to send them to Iraq, most of us smelled something odd. Wonder what the endgame is.
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Sun May 24, 2015 8:03 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 58):
Wonder what the endgame is

US bureaucrats trying to look as if they're doing something useful, while accomplishing really nothing but further dearth of commerce and ill-will?   
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Sun May 24, 2015 10:17 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 40):

Some new routes on Mahan using the A340........ATH, AER, LED...

http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/22/w5-ath-jun15/
http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/22/w5-aerled-jun15/
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Sun May 24, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting vishaljo (Reply 61):

Nice! I hope I'll get to see these when I'm in Dubai in November.
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Sun May 24, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 60):
Some new routes on Mahan using the A340........ATH, AER, LED...

http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/22/w5-ath-jun15/
http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/22/w...un15/

Mahan won't be using the 346 on any of the routes you mentioned. ATH will get the 343 and AER, LED are both 313.
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Sun May 24, 2015 11:17 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 60):
Some new routes on Mahan using the A340........ATH,

W5058 ATH0900 – 1130IKA 340 257
W5059 IKA1300 – 1815ATH 340 257

the aircraft will be staying in ATH during the night ? or i got it wrong?
 
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Sun May 24, 2015 11:34 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 60):

Lots of new additions in Asia Tokyo and sesonals to Goa, Colombo, Male, in Africa seasonal to Mauritius

http://www.mahan.aero/en/destinations/route-network

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Sun May 24, 2015 12:36 pm

Quoting boefan (Reply 64):
W5058 ATH0900 – 1130IKA 340 257
W5059 IKA1300 – 1815ATH 340 257

the aircraft will be staying in ATH during the night ? or i got it wrong?

Looks like ATH and IKA are swapped. The westbound should be shorter "on the clock" due to the time difference.
A 1:30 stop in ATH also makes much more sense.
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Sun May 24, 2015 4:05 pm

I'd love to see them fly in ATH and Greece is fairly cheap but I'd be surprised if they flew sanctioned air frames into the EU. Sounds like a great spot for US Treasury to try and seize them. Asian destinations not so much.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 1:12 am

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 57):
Israeli officials have warned the Obama administration in recent months that the nine Airbus planes could be used by Iran for military purposes

Ah yes....Iran's stealth bombers...A340-600's. Israel can shoot ICBMs out of orbit but are somehow defenseless against these aircraft.

It will be a fine day when Iranian airlines are granted at least the same freedoms as Saudi airlines.

The idiotic sanctions can't come off soon enough. It's long past time for the world to stop buying into Saudi and Israeli propaganda, as well as the support from every weapons producing nation in the world. Saudi alone spends 5 times more than Iran on their military, and if you add Israel, the other Persian Gulf countries and the American presence to the mix, the military advantage of Iran's enemies is around 100 to 1.

Yah...those darned Iranians have the world just where they want them...totally surrounded and outgunned. Oy.

France and the UK have also sold billions of dollars of the latest weapons to Saudi...with Hollande in recent photo ops in Riyadh, promising life long support of Saudi in whatever they choose to do.

Saudi has had its way far too long. It's past time that they had some real competition and the world no longer is held hostage to the whims of the play kings, and the military industrial industries which help keep them in power.
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Mon May 25, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 68):
Yah...those darned Iranians have the world just where they want them...totally surrounded and outgunned. Oy.

I laughed at this, so true.... media brainwashing at its best when deep down the whole thing is because some arms/weapons dealers are loosing market share to there arms dealers, so they impose sanctions to those who enter the very lucrative weapons market.... sad world in which we live in...

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Tue May 26, 2015 3:45 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 68):
Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 57):Israeli officials have warned the Obama administration in recent months that the nine Airbus planes could be used by Iran for military purposes

To clarify that quote came from the article which I pasted into that. It is ludicrous to imply that 7 A346's adds to any threat whatsoever. Mahan and other Iranian airlines are already operating larger 747s and a slow lumbering A346 poses 0 threat . The larger the plane the less dangerous it would be because the Radar Cross Section is going to be simply enormous and it can't maneuver well. It sad to see a democracy publicly make a bold face lie like that and it confirms every suspicion that sanctions are simply a ruse to enable some kind of economic siege warfare.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 4:11 am

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 70):
It is ludicrous to imply that 7 A346's adds to any threat whatsoever.

By the time they get airborne they would have been shot down.... (according to Anet Lore)... simply ridiculous to say such a big aircraft could be used in military operations....

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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Wed May 27, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 55):
As a signatory to the Non ProliferationTreaty the sanctions are for Iran not abiding by its treaty obligations and pursuing an "illegal" nuclear program. Terrorism is a secondary factor to most of the rest of the world except the US.

So if the Obama administration works out an Iranian Nuclear Deal, can we hope to see an end to these sanctions?
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Wed May 27, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting hilram (Reply 72):
Quoting trex8 (Reply 55):
As a signatory to the Non ProliferationTreaty the sanctions are for Iran not abiding by its treaty obligations and pursuing an "illegal" nuclear program. Terrorism is a secondary factor to most of the rest of the world except the US.

So if the Obama administration works out an Iranian Nuclear Deal, can we hope to see an end to these sanctions?

I'm sure thats what Tehran wants!
 
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Wed May 27, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting hilram (Reply 52):
It baffles me that we continue to accept this hypocracy. Yes, there are funds flowing from Iran to certain terrorist groups. But that is chicken feed compared to the sums that flow from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to other terrorist groups.

The Iranian government, the Qatari government and the Saudi government alike categorically denies official involvement in sponsoring these terrorist groups. Maybe they are all clean. Maybe they are all dirty. But only Iran is being officialy sanctioned.

Is the real reason for the sanctions really terrorist funding? Or is it something else?

I agree that it's duplicitous. But the hard line on Iran still comes from the whole taking-the-entire-embassy-staff hostage thing. It is basically unforgivable, and the US hope has long been that the regime changes rather than having to forget that. It's really poor form to do that sort of thing if you do not want your regime to be regarded as thugs.

Coming up on 40 years, it might seem like time to let bygones be bygones, but it's the same people running the country. They'll always be the same terrorists.

I guess we're going on 60 years with Cuba, so maybe Iran needs to plan on waiting about 25.
 
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The Iranians also have long memories, like in 1953 when the US and UK overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran and made the Shah the president. He and his brutal SAVAK secret police ruled Iran with an iron fist, and was continuously supported and armed until the revolution when the Iranians decided they had enough and were willing to tolerate the mullahs rather than continue to suffer under the Shah.
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Wed May 27, 2015 9:25 pm

Quoting vishaljo (Reply 61):

Thanks for the picture. No matter which colours she is wearing, the A340-600 always is an elegant beauty to see!  
 
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Wed May 27, 2015 9:48 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 74):
I agree that it's duplicitous. But the hard line on Iran still comes from the whole taking-the-entire-embassy-staff hostage thing. It is basically unforgivable, and the US hope has long been that the regime changes rather than having to forget that.

Lets see, the Chinese government directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of over 40000 American servicemen in Korea, the Vietnamese directly for over 50000 American servicemen. So how many dead American servicemen have the Iranians and Cubans been responsible for????

Oh, I forgot, there's no logic to any of this.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 75):
The Iranians also have long memories

I am making a distinction between Iranians and the regime in charge. I grant the US regime is the same as the one that propped up the older one in Iran, though I'm not sure if you're arguing that that justified holding the embassy staff hostage...?

Quoting trex8 (Reply 77):
Lets see, the Chinese government directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of over 40000 American servicemen in Korea, the Vietnamese directly for over 50000 American servicemen. So how many dead American servicemen have the Iranians and Cubans been responsible for????

Arguably the regime is *not* the same in either Vietnam or China. And I agree there's no sense to Cuban sanctions, I was merely pointing out that what I called "duplicity" with regards to Iran could last quite awhile longer if it's to last as long as the idea of sanctioning the Cuban regime out of existence.

All that said, though, it *is* the same regime in Iran, and they're still reaping what they sowed, duplicitous or not.
 
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Sun May 31, 2015 4:12 pm

When is the delivery of the 7 A346 supposed and where are these 7 at the moment?
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Sun May 31, 2015 4:15 pm

They are in Tehran as pic shows.
 
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Sun May 31, 2015 5:34 pm

Very nice planes with a very bad livery.
 
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Yes all they have to do is get a nice font in green and a professionally done logo on a full green tail and its all good.
 
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Sun May 31, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 77):
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 74):
I agree that it's duplicitous. But the hard line on Iran still comes from the whole taking-the-entire-embassy-staff hostage thing. It is basically unforgivable, and the US hope has long been that the regime changes rather than having to forget that.

Lets see, the Chinese government directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of over 40000 American servicemen in Korea, the Vietnamese directly for over 50000 American servicemen. So how many dead American servicemen have the Iranians and Cubans been responsible for????

Or the time the USA bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade; or the time the USA shot down an Iranian airliner.

The Iranians are among the most tolerant in the region (people, not necessarily government) but yet, they're vilified in the media on an almost daily basis. But yet, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others seem to have a blind eye turned towards them.

If the USA wasn't continually capitulating to the Saudis the middle east would probably be a whole lot less messy right now.
 
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Sun May 31, 2015 10:07 pm

Not to go off subject, but do you think any of the Iranian airlines might interested in buying the 777-200ER? I think Iran Air for one might be interested.
 
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Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:49 am

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 85):
Not to go off subject, but do you think any of the Iranian airlines might interested in buying the 777-200ER? I think Iran Air for one might be interested.

I think the 777 would be great there and always have. They need long legs to reach Asian trade partners. Hong Kong, PEK and South Korea are going to be the most important routes for them. Tehran is also ~3300 ft high and hot too but I think the 777 has plenty of power. A340-600 is a good fit too if its on the cheap.
 
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Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:14 am

I think Iranian airlines will quickly hit the market for good, used iron, whatever the maker. Their airline history has been to make do with whatever they can get so they have ended up with some of the most mixed fleets around.

They won't be afraid of mixing in more aircraft types if they get good deals. The 772's seem likely candidates to me.
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saw EP-MMH doing one of her first rounds to DXB today.

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Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:49 am

What issues does RR face in providing engineering back up to service those Trents on W5 346's ?
I mean are they restricted still by sanctions as to what technical support they can provide ?
 
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Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:09 pm

According to an Iran av board, Mahan's BAe/Avros are flying for Iraq's Al Naser both domestic and international.
 
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Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 89):

I think that parts for aircraft maintenance are allowed but the sanctions have made the process of actually getting those parts very difficult.

I believe sales of aircraft containing western parts isn't allowed.
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Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:07 am

Quoting ReinerS (Reply 80):
When is the delivery of the 7 A346 supposed and where are these 7 at the moment?

2 weeks ago, 3 were at IKA in full c/s, 3 at THR and 1 allwhite at Mashhad.
 
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Quoting Skyeurope (Reply 92):

Thanks a lot! Danke  
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Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:35 pm

At least one is now in service. Noticed it flying the IKA-IST route as W5112 yesterday.
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Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:42 pm

They are flying to IST, DXB and BKK.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:53 pm

I count at least three of them here:



Photo was taken at IKA last week.

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[Edited 2015-06-16 10:00:22]
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting a300 (Reply 94):
At least one is now in service. Noticed it flying the IKA-IST route as W5112 yesterday.

So far I could notice EP-MMH and MMR in service to the destinations mentioned above (DXB, IST, BKK).
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:28 pm

And their 744s are on the way out, with one sold to new Ghanaian startup Smile Air.
 
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RE: Mahan Is Receiving 7 A340-600

Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:21 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 96):
I count at least three of them here:

You sure the one in the left of the picture isn't a 343? The engines look like one.

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