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YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 10:36 am
by SpaceshipDC10
Quite interesting I find! Vancouver International Airport has put on line this web site where you, me or anyone can express their vision for the airport's development over the next 40 years, that is 20 years beyond YVR's current masterplan.

I'm not sure how much of the feed back will actually be considered, but I like the idea of involving the community at large and passengers transiting through it.


http://yvr2057.ca/

http://www.yvr.ca/en/flight-informat..._for_future_land_use_planning.aspx

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:11 am
by Miami
Interesting but 2057 is a long time from now..

I like the idea though.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 7:54 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
Interesting but 2057 is a long time from now..

I guess this is what's behind that. I like the example he gives about the north runway.

http://youtu.be/GoGo0VRyxdQ?t=53m21s

[Edited 2015-05-16 13:09:54]

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 8:48 pm
by VCEflyboy
I assume the people behind this are the same people who couldnt get the simple bus card to work after 2 years and millions of dollars spent - a technology that has been in use for 20 years in lots of other cities around the world with much larger populations and more complex transport systems.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 8:54 pm
by Allee
Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 3):

I'm sure Translink would be well run if YVRAA was in charge of it

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 5:15 am
by YVRLTN
I have not got past question 1:

What is your vision for the future 40 years from now? For example, what are your community and business like? How do you connect to the rest of the world?

There is no way to answer this, I have no idea what my business will be doing at the end of this year let alone several decades from now and the majority of working people with valuable insight will be retired or dead by then. My community is in the UK and it is very well connected already.

Right now, all of my needs are covered via YYZ, LHR, LAX & IAH. I dont expect a direct flight to everywhere I need to go.

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 3):

I assume the people behind this are the same people who couldnt get the simple bus card to work after 2 years and millions of dollars spent - a technology that has been in use for 20 years in lots of other cities around the world with much larger populations and more complex transport systems.

Yep - though the Canada Line implementation was pretty flawless and ahead of schedule.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:21 am
by ankaraflyjet
It is always good to set a target and YVR is doing a great job developing a perspective.

On a related matter TK is pressing hard to introduce YVR IST and I hope this gets a green light from the Canadian Government, will add a great deal to YVR as currenlty MUC is the most Eastern route flown non-stop from YVR by LH and nothing East of that ever flown. Since AC and TK are both *A this will do great business for IST and beyond...

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:22 pm
by threepoint
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 6):
TK is pressing hard to introduce YVR IST

This would be the most influential single-route addition that could occur at YVR, in my opinion. I hope it happens. Our Star options across the Atlantic are in need of improvement.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:26 pm
by YXXMIKE
I will certainly say that YVR is probably my favourite airport in the world (though I am liking LHR T2 these days) but it is quite frustrating to watch how much they continue to charge in Airport Improvement Fee's (AIF's) or what Canadian airports like to call crack! 2057 is quite far away and given that YVR isn't a LHR/JFK/HKG etc. I do wonder why they would even consider another runway; the airport is 24/7, and though there are a number of smaller airports in the area there isn't the airspace constraints of a NYC or LON airport.

I do believe to a certain extent that long terms thinking is critical to any business there has to be some questions asked to whether this is a good use of money...Though you may think that my favourite airport statement contradicts what I said but I do wonder how much money needs to be spent on an airport which I suspect isn't anywhere near capacity right now.

Just my two cents.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:39 pm
by YVRLTN
Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 8):
I do wonder why they would even consider another runway; the airport is 24/7, and though there are a number of smaller airports in the area there isn't the airspace constraints of a NYC or LON airport.

I do believe to a certain extent that long terms thinking is critical to any business there has to be some questions asked to whether this is a good use of money...Though you may think that my favourite airport statement contradicts what I said but I do wonder how much money needs to be spent on an airport which I suspect isn't anywhere near capacity right now.

I was going to post something like this too. There are 3 peaks a day where there can be up to 15 aircraft in line for take off. I dont see why during these times they cant use 26R/08L for departures from the D & E gates, at least the narrowbodies. Saves taxying around the whole airport too. And I am sure they can find a way to reimplement the cross runway for the medevacs & south side traffic like they used to. Outside of those peaks, there can be significant quiet periods with nothing happening, particularly in winter.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 7):
Our Star options across the Atlantic are in need of improvement.

One stop through YYZ, YUL, ORD, EWR, FRA, MUC or LHR seem OK?

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:31 pm
by VCEflyboy
Personally I am skeptical they give a damn about what people think.
More likely they have some hidden agenda. This happens all the time.
Recently there has been this transport ballot that was along the same lines: in 20 years there'll be 1 million more commuters and therefore we must invest a trillion dollars today or everyone will go postal.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:52 pm
by ankaraflyjet
Quoting threepoint (Reply 7):

TK representatives met with YVR officials and expressed their interest to start direct flights but the bilateral does not permit at the moment to do this by TK. It is at Canadian regulators to approve if they elect to do so. Of course TK will be a great addition to YVR and Turkey is opening a Consulate General in Vancouver later this year so this will give quite a boost to relations and will be good for both Turkey and Canada.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:47 pm
by VCEflyboy
Really looking forward to that but would not hold my breath.
Unfortunately the matter has nothing to do with either Turkey or Canada.
It is all up to LH/AC and whether they are willing to share the pie with TK, which so far seems unlikely.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:35 pm
by ankaraflyjet
Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 12):

Well TK is *A and codeshares Turkey North America sector with AC on both AC operated and TK operated flights. AC also codeshares a lot of TK flights from IST onward to ME, NA and CIS region. So AC TK JV is not to be underestimated.....I am quite positive this will happen in the next 18 months, LH cannot veto a AC TK joint operation

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:47 pm
by VCEflyboy
*A is a marketing alliance. TK is not part of the commercial LH/AC/UA transatlantic JV that governs their transatlantic operations.

In Canada in particular, bilateral agreements are based mainly on O&D figures, and O&D between YVR and IST is not massive I am afraid, hence I remain pessimistic.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 4:00 am
by ankaraflyjet
Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 14):


Find attached the numbers for North America Turkey, I believe with enormous potentail by TK to Iran, ME and India etc. 3 weekly to strat with will work great...

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:59 am
by YXXMIKE
Though TK would be a nice bird to see at YVR I genuinely can't see where the demand that isn't already being serviced by any of the carriers above. It is possible to fly one stop to the Middle East, CIS and India all from YVR via LHR/AMS/FRA etc. These aren't carriers which are bringing in premium heavy aircraft into YVR either and though they have been operating these routes for years I don't believe there is enough traffic for an additional 777 operator

The only thing that TK would be doing is just skimming customers from loyal YVR customers such as AC/LH/BA/KL/CX etc. and to be quite frank; given TK's recent safety record I don't want them flying into YVR until they have at least a few years without bending another plane.

RE: YVR 2057 Survey

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:24 pm
by ankaraflyjet
Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 16):

TK's safety record is not any different than AC or it's other global competitors actually. It is selected as the best airline in Europe for 6 years in a row now. It's economy class product also is high on the list as well as its business class.

Also I think there is room for another 777 from YVR to Europe and the only airline growing in Europe is TK, I am sure we will see this happen in the next 18 months and TK will give hard time to its competitors too mainly BA and KL and LH but not AC. AC will benefit from this as TK will use AC flights from YVR to Calgary, Honolulu, Seattle, Portland and several other West coast destinations served from YVR by AC.

Just wait for a while, it will happen.....