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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun May 31, 2015 10:32 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 149):
anyone that has been on any flight to India will tell you it's not a pleasant flight

Elaborate? Flew SIN-DEL and back in 2012, had two very pleasant flights with 9W.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun May 31, 2015 11:28 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 150):

Elaborate? Flew SIN-DEL and back in 2012, had two very pleasant flights with 9W.


Anything that isn't bolted down is gone. Think life jackets, pillows, blankets, no toilet paper for example. Crew can't check after every single use. Not that you'd want to use the toilets with foot prints on the seats. Crew are flat out anyway making "Walking Johnies with an extra cock (coke)". People are up and down like yo-yos all flight including on the runway.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:14 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 151):
Anything that isn't bolted down is gone. Think life jackets, pillows, blankets, no toilet paper for example. Crew can't check after every single use. Not that you'd want to use the toilets with foot prints on the seats. Crew are flat out anyway making "Walking Johnies with an extra cock (coke)". People are up and down like yo-yos all flight including on the runway.

I've flown several Indian airlines several times, international and domestic, and I have never encountered the hygiene issues you claim.

I've also flown the ME airlines into and out of India (and in the old days Iraqi Airways) carrying large numbers of Indian workers and again, no problems.

The only thing close to problem was on Iraqi when we were circling over Baghdad at dawn before landing and some of the Indian (Muslim) workers wanted to get out of their seats to pray. The crew handled it beautifully.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:13 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 152):

I agree with Mariner on this one, on both the international flights, the aircraft were well maintained, the 737-800 on the DEL-SIN leg was in slightly better condition (had Sky Interior so was new) than the A330 on SIN-DEL. Didn't even have any issues on the Indian domestic flights either. Indian passengers did tend to walk around more than average after takeoff but apart from that, outdated stereotyping I think.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:35 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 153):
I agree with Mariner on this one, on both the international flights, the aircraft were well maintained, the 737-800 on the DEL-SIN leg was in slightly better condition (had Sky Interior so was new) than the A330 on SIN-DEL. Didn't even have any issues on the Indian domestic flights either. Indian passengers did tend to walk around more than average after takeoff but apart from that, outdated stereotyping I think.

i have literally seen people put a used diaper on a meal tray on a flight to India. I have seen faeces on the lav wall and footprints on the toilet seat (none of which I have ever seen in hundreds of flights all over the world). And yes I have seen people stealing things from the plane (pillows, blankets, glasses, cutlery, toilet paper etc) - this can happen on any flight but I have never noticed it to the extent that I've seen on India flights.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:47 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):
And yes I have seen people stealing things from the plane (pillows, blankets, glasses, cutlery, toilet paper etc) - this can happen on any flight but I have never noticed it to the extent that I've seen on India flights.

My British father, an aircraft engineer, was an outrageous airline thief constantly snaffling things. Since he worked for BOAC, he mostly flew with them and thus mostly stole from them, but not exclusively. Air France and Pan Am were among his targets, and even once, Aeroflot.

I inherited a wonderful collection of old airline crockery from him - plates, cups, saucers, soup bowls, ashtrays - and cutlery.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 155):
I inherited a wonderful collection of old airline crockery from him - plates, cups, saucers, soup bowls, ashtrays - and cutlery.

Ah, the good old days  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:07 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 134):
If you have an electronic passport this isn't a problem, it's pretty quick using the automated service.

I totally agree as far as passport control is concerned (SmartGate is fantastic), but for customs the queue is often massive. There have been times when the queue is over an hour long. By contrast, it not hard to get landside in Sydney or Melbourne within 20 minutes of leaving the aircraft.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 143):
ZK-NCG is the machine going for parting out.

 Wow!
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 151):
Walking Johnies

 rotfl 

[Edited 2015-06-01 22:08:07]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:59 am

Looks like AKL is having some weather related issues.
Several aircraft circling and some look like they are diverting
According to FR24 affected aircraft at the moment are
NZ532 CHC (diverted to HLZ)
NZ124 MEL
CI53 TPE/BNE
JQ284 DUD
NZ995 APW
(plus several turboprops)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:02 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 158):

NZ124 looks to be heading for OHA and CI53 is heading in the same direction.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 153):
Indian passengers did tend to walk around more than average after takeoff but apart from that, outdated stereotyping I think

But stereotypes do exist for a reason.

Where the Indian culture clashes with mine in terms of travel compatibility is in their appreciation of privacy, serenity, and personal space. They have none. Whereas I have a 2m radius exclusion zone. And yes, we also differ in matters scatological.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:13 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 160):
But stereotypes do exist for a reason.

And in this case, I think it is a pretty ugly reason.

Quoting gasman (Reply 160):
Whereas I have a 2m radius exclusion zone.

I suggest you avoid flying on Greek airlines when most of the passengers are Greek. Unless you cocooned up the front, of course, but even that can be dodgy.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:54 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 159):
NZ124 looks to be heading for OHA and CI53 is heading in the same direction.

NZ124 at OHA and CI53 on approach to CHC. The weather cleared after they headed south.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:00 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 161):

I suggest you avoid flying on Greek airlines when most of the passengers are Greek. Unless you cocooned up the front, of course, but even that can be dodgy.

mariner

so it's ok to speak badly about Greek passengers but not Indian passengers? Your hypocrisy is par for the course though really.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:18 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 163):
so it's ok to speak badly about Greek passengers but not Indian passengers?

Who's speaking badly about Greek passengers?

It can be a heck of a fun party with them, I've had some great times. But it may not be the best thing for someone who has:

Quoting gasman (Reply 160):
Whereas I have a 2m radius exclusion zone.

Greeks tend not recognise exclusion zones - they embrace everyone, life affirming.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:34 am

Sounds Air made their inaugural Wellington-Taupo services today

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6903...ight-from-taupo-to-wellington.html

Well that's another dropped NZ route that's been picked up

Which dropped routes haven't yet been announced by another carrier?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:44 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 165):
Which dropped routes haven't yet been announced by another carrier?

AKL-HLZ although the flight is running till early next year.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:07 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 160):
Whereas I have a 2m radius exclusion zone.

Damn, a 2m exclusion zone would give all Business Class products and basically all First Class products (except for maybe the EY residence) a run for their money. Only private jets for you I'm guessing.Yeah, there are culture clashes but to be honest, I try to be tolerant and make allowances where I can. Bear in mind India is a very crowded place where 2m exclusion zones are a luxury, if not impossible for most people.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 154):

I don't refute what you say, but just be wary that your few experiences might not reflect the overall picture. You probably witnessed the very worst of Indian flights, I might've just had extraordinary luck. But reading the trip reports flying to and from India doesn't really seem to back your generalisations of Indians up.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:49 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 162):
NZ124 at OHA and CI53 on approach to CHC. The weather cleared after they headed south.

My flight inbound from ZQN circled near NPL and our alternate was WLG. We had 20min of hold fuel (we got to about 15min...)but we ended up getting into AKL about 10min late. Spectacular storm to watch from the air I have to say.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 161):

And in this case, I think it is a pretty ugly reason.

Oh come on - save the sanctimony for your biography. When trapped in a full Y cabin I think we'd all prefer to be surrounded by a familiar culture. Failing that, a flight full of mutes on their way to a "cure personal hygeine OCD" retreat would suffice.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 155):
My British father, an aircraft engineer, was an outrageous airline thief constantly snaffling things. Since he worked for BOAC, he mostly flew with them and thus mostly stole from them, but not exclusively. Air France and Pan Am were among his targets, and even once, Aeroflot.

As a younger man, starting as a child, I used to collect airline teaspoons; CPAir, Pan-Am, TWA, BEA, UTA, TAA are all probably a little rare these days. This only ceased when plastic cutlery replaced metal in Y; although occasionally these days I fly up-front, the urge has gone.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:30 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 169):
Oh come on - save the sanctimony for your biography. When trapped in a full Y cabin I think we'd all prefer to be surrounded by a familiar culture. Failing that, a flight full of mutes on their way to a "cure personal hygeine OCD" retreat would suffice.

I think you're conflating two different issues. Have all the personal space you can afford - I do. I'm just suggesting that personal isn't always that personal - on some airlines.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 170):
As a younger man, starting as a child, I used to collect airline teaspoons; CPAir, Pan-Am, TWA, BEA, UTA, TAA are all probably a little rare these days. This only ceased when plastic cutlery replaced metal in Y; although occasionally these days I fly up-front, the urge has gone.

I love the old airline crockery, but - except in some premium cabins - flying has changed. I miss the old days, but I go back far enough to remember the props, before IFE (airlines handed out packs of playing cards) and sometimes before hot food, even on quite long flights.

For all the "romance" of it, I wouldn't want to go back to what it was.

mariner

[Edited 2015-06-02 12:35:21]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:21 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 171):
For all the "romance" of it, I wouldn't want to go back to what it was.

Yes, and I need to remind myself of this every now and then.

- economy class airfares that cost more than the average person made in two months
- routine, almost expected delays
- smoking on board
- one in-flight movie, that you'd a) be lucky to want to watch and b) be lucky to see the screen and c) have to purchase horrible pneumatic headphones for
- non seamless connections requiring re-checking baggage etc.
- user-pays alcohol

When I consider that all we've really lost over the years is some romance, personal space, some padding on the seats and food quality.......most of which is still available if you're prepared to pay for it, I wouldn't go back to the good old days either.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:29 am

Sounds Air keeps on expanding with NSN-PPQ services with first flight taking off in 10 days with internet fares of $125

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...8/Sounds-Air-to-fly-to-Paraparaumu
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:44 am

I've recently traveled the 772 and the 789 J product in quick succession.

Is the 789 product *actually* smaller?? It certainly felt so. Less width around the shoulders, and less storage room in the triangular bit of space that is created by the curvature of the sidewall.

Just when I thought they couldn't de-frill J class any more than they already had.........
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:57 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 174):

Haven't yet flown in the new Business Premier, but from what I see of it, the befitting word to describe it is austere. I have no idea when I'd get to fly business class next, but to be honest from what I see and hear I'd definitely try make the most of the experience by not flying NZ. The last time I flew business was in the old product on the 772, is the new product any different apart from an extra inch or two on the screen, it certainly looks like they just sucked all the colour out of it.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:15 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 175):
Haven't yet flown in the new Business Premier, but from what I see of it, the befitting word to describe it is austere. I have no idea when I'd get to fly business class next, but to be honest from what I see and hear I'd definitely try make the most of the experience by not flying NZ. The last time I flew business was in the old product on the 772, is the new product any different apart from an extra inch or two on the screen, it certainly looks like they just sucked all the colour out of it

It's interesting how perceptions change with time. I always thought that the BP product on the 772 was a noticeable step down from the 744. Had a break from the 772, and flew the 789 last week and felt like I was in a coffin - and a coffin without storage space. After that, the 772 felt like a significant improvement.

I was only flying NZ because it was a part of combined fare of $7100 AKL-TXL on KLM. A pretty good deal, made possible by the fact NZ have some competition eastwards. But if I was paying the $8000 or so for an AKL-LAX fare on any of NZs J products, I would actually feel physically violated.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 173):
Sounds Air keeps on expanding with NSN-PPQ services with first flight taking off in 10 days with internet fares of $125

To which I say "yay". I applaud any small commercial operator in New Zealand.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:21 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 174):

It happens when you fit the same layout into a narrower plane. Same deal with the CX Cirrus seat - there's a noticeable difference when you go from 77W to A333. The angle also changes. This also applies for comparing the AA A321 transcon F seat, which is also the Cirrus.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:19 pm

Interesting to note that Fiji Airways is getting an A330-300 in the not so distant future. I wonder what percentage of pax flying AKL-LAX go with them via NAN.

How long does ZK-OKP have before getting repainted? ZK-OKQ?

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 158):
Looks like AKL is having some weather related issues.

No surprises, given the massive lightning storm!
EK407 took a massive detour around the Hauraki Gulf on departure.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:35 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 157):
I totally agree as far as passport control is concerned (SmartGate is fantastic), but for customs the queue is often massive. There have been times when the queue is over an hour long. By contrast, it not hard to get landside in Sydney or Melbourne within 20 minutes of leaving the aircraft.

I can get to landside in 10 - 12 minutes. Use the Kiosk prior to customs!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:49 am

What do you guys think of NZ getting 787-10 in future? May be a good replacement for the 772 fleet.

I was talking to someone today about the -10 and this came up.

Any thoughts?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:58 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 180):
What do you guys think of NZ getting 787-10 in future? May be a good replacement for the 772 fleet.

NZ had already publicly ruled them out, as the increased size meant they didn't have the payload on SFO/LAX-AKL without restrictions. Instead they put an expressions of interest out to Boeing/Airbus for the A350/777X.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:07 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 181):
Quoting zkncj (Reply 181):
NZ had already publicly ruled them out, as the increased size meant they didn't have the payload on SFO/LAX-AKL without restrictions. Instead they put an expressions of interest out to Boeing/Airbus for the A350/777X.

Interesting. Udvar-Hazey has suggested that we could well see an increase in the takeoff weight vs the -9 (currently 253t for the -9 and -10)

This may be enough to placate the range issue, although by keeping the same landing gear they already have a higher axle loading than the 77W so not sure how much they could push it.

RE the 77X - would the -8X not be too big to replace the 772 fleet? Or could we see the -9X replace the 77W routes and the 77W cascade down to replace 772.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:56 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 179):
I can get to landside in 10 - 12 minutes. Use the Kiosk prior to customs!

My record is 11 minutes in Sydney. Wasn't even walking particularly fast.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 181):
Instead they put an expressions of interest out to Boeing/Airbus for the A350/777X.

Lets hope for some A350s.  
Quoting 77west (Reply 180):
What do you guys think of NZ getting 787-10 in future?

It seems to be a bit of a dog. IMO the 787-10 is the 777-300nonER of the 2010s. Wait another six to eight years and Boring will probably make a HGW ER or LR version which will be much better suited to Air New Zealand's payload and range needs. In the meantime, the -10 will probably be ok for Asian (SQ + CX) and North Atlantic (BA + UA) carriers, but will be of limited use to middle-of-nowhere carriers like NZ and QF.

Lets hope both carriers choose A350-1000s instead.

[Edited 2015-06-06 03:01:44]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:22 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 183):
It seems to be a bit of a dog. IMO the 787-10 is the 777-300nonER of the 2010s. Wait another six to eight years and Boring will probably make a HGW ER or LR version which will be much better suited to Air New Zealand's payload and range needs. In the meantime, the -10 will probably be ok for Asian (SQ + CX) and North Atlantic (BA + UA) carriers, but will be of limited use to middle-of-nowhere carriers like NZ and QF.

Hmmm im not so sure - if they do bump up the MTOW on the -10 as suggested by ILFC we may see the "ER" version at EIS.

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 183):
Lets hope both carriers choose A350-1000s instead.

I think QF have a good chance of ordering the A350-900 or 1000, as for NZ, given our current 777 fleet my money would be on the 777X
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 182):
RE the 77X - would the -8X not be too big to replace the 772 fleet? Or could we see the -9X replace the 77W routes and the 77W cascade down to replace 772.

By the time the 778X comes out the capacity creep should mean that it is a perfect replacement for the 77E. Also NZ will have a bigger 789 fleet by then which would take over some of the lower demand routes. I absolutely expect the 77W to be replaced by 779X so I guess it depends on whether NZ actually wants to replace the 77E as by then as others have mentioned I would expect Boeing to have a triple axel 7810 (7810ER if you like) with a HGW that has a much greater range than the standard 7810 so would effectively be a 1 for 1 replacement with the benefits of commonality with the 789.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:14 am

http://airlineroute.net/2015/06/05/nz-beh-s16/

Planned last flights for the B1900D on specific routes listed here..
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:49 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 185):
I would expect Boeing to have a triple axel 7810 (7810ER if you like) with a HGW that has a much greater range than the standard 7810 so would effectively be a 1 for 1 replacement with the benefits of commonality with the 789.

You may wish to take into account the new engine that RR are working on. If they can get the fuel improvement being talked about this could add an hour to the range and make AKL-LAX viable.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 181):

Did NZ say that about the 10? I actually thought they said they wouldn't use the current configuration 789 on regular US service, though it seems quite likely that they will use it to YVR which probably has a lot less freight than LAX/SFO. The 10 as it is now I would agree they won't get to the U.S. but I'm expecting it will end up being better than spec by quite a bit which may well mean it is a serious 77W replacement contender in the mid 2020s. I'm not sure I see it being considered for Asian services though as it would likely seat 350 plus Pax which seems to much most of the year even allowing for growth at the expense of yields. More likely additional seasonal services.

As for the 777X personally I don't see the 8x, it has extreme range and imo may end up not much more than an EK plane plus a few others in small numbers, so as a 772 replacement I see more 789s or if it's more capable than spec possibly the 78J. I think the 779 is more likely but as a 77W replacement but the 78J may squeeze it to. The 779 is almost the size of the 744 but very efficient so it's a definite possibility.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:55 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 188):
I think the 779 is more likely but as a 77W replacement but the 78J may squeeze it to

The problem will always be that the 78X/78J will be able to match the 77W in passenger load but its max payload capability will reduce its cargo capacity.
Does anybody from time to time count the pallets that are loaded in NZ2 and 6?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:26 pm

Hainan Airlines are looking to start twice weekly PEK-AKL with 787 from October. No link at the moment.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:28 am

R.E Hainan - This is the same time Air China should be starting ? - but we are now in June and still nothing from either NZ or CA - anybody have any updates?

Hainan using a 787 would be a better choice over Air China's A332 fleet - don't think it will happen this year their 787 fleet right now is used extensively across their North American routes. Any more expansion would be in 2016. (they are going to start PEK - PRG in Sep with a 763, and have delayed MAN because of no aircraft available )

Years ago we had the mass expansions of EK ( now we have 3 x 380's) and now we are seeing the expansion from China, all the main players are here, or will be if you include Hainan! so much has changed in the 7 years since I last was in New Zealand - how does the current infrastructure cope?

think they still need to steal Qatar - that would be a nice addition to the lineup at the international terminal..
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:06 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 190):

Hainan Airlines are looking to start twice weekly PEK-AKL with 787 from October. No link at the moment.

I thought the Chinese government maintained a 'one route, one airline' policy. If CA start Beijing-Auckland as they are supposed to do under their JV with NZ, then I can't see how Hainan can also start ( and I am pretty sure that if they both apply to operate it, the Chinese government will give approval to CA over Hainan)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 192):
I thought the Chinese government maintained a 'one route, one airline' policy. If CA start Beijing-Auckland as they are supposed to do under their JV with NZ, then I can't see how Hainan can also star

HU had a list of routes last year which included PEK-AKL, people said it was meant to be PEK-OAK though,lol. We'll see, but I agree with you that the Chinese government would surely back CA over HU on a PEK-AKL route.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:15 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 192):
I thought the Chinese government maintained a 'one route, one airline' policy. If CA start Beijing-Auckland as they are supposed to do under their JV with NZ, then I can't see how Hainan can also start ( and I am pretty sure that if they both apply to operate it, the Chinese government will give approval to CA over Hainan)

Is it a myth? For example, MU and CA are both on the PVG-SYD/MEL routes.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:27 am

"Air NZ signs codeshare with Air India"

Air New Zealand and Air India have signed a codeshare deal on services between New Zealand and India providing smoother access and greater choice for travellers in both directions.

Air New Zealand codeshare into several Indian cities as a result of the agreement.

The airlines are both members of the Star Alliance and Air India will also be able to access the New Zealand market on Air New Zealand services, including over the Tasman, connecting to its current Sydney and Melbourne services.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11462272
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:31 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 192):

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 190):

Hainan Airlines are looking to start twice weekly PEK-AKL with 787 from October. No link at the moment.

I thought the Chinese government maintained a 'one route, one airline' policy. If CA start Beijing-Auckland as they are supposed to do under their JV with NZ, then I can't see how Hainan can also start ( and I am pretty sure that if they both apply to operate it, the Chinese government will give approval to CA over Hainan)

I think it's one airline per country ie a Chinese airline and Air NZ
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:37 am

On this day in 1995, an Ansett NZ Dash8-100 crashed on a hill side in fog while on approach into PMR
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 197):
On this day in 1995, an Ansett NZ Dash8-100 crashed on a hill side in fog while on approach into PMR

Anyone know what happened with the wrecked aircraft? did it get scrapped or is it store somewhere.

Abit like how at motat there seems to be hidden parts of the crashed NZ DC8
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 159

Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:51 am

ZK-NZD has had its first flight post-refit/conversion. Should be getting some new paint soon, presumably.

Around KPAE June 2015 by moonm, on Flickr

Quoting 77west (Reply 184):
Hmmm im not so sure - if they do bump up the MTOW on the -10 as suggested by ILFC we may see the "ER" version at EIS.

I guess you never know.

Quoting 77west (Reply 184):
I think QF have a good chance of ordering the A350-900 or 1000, as for NZ, given our current 777 fleet my money would be on the 777X
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 185):
I absolutely expect the 77W to be replaced by 779X

Hope not. Anyway, like with the A380, I think the 777-9 is going to be too big for the NZ123/124/135/136/103/104/45/46/52/53 runs. That means it will be sitting around all day at AKL, unless a big schedule change takes place.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 198):
Abit like how at motat there seems to be hidden parts of the crashed NZ DC8

The engine is in a shed somewhere out back....still had sand and shells in it, as of a few years ago.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 198):
Anyone know what happened with the wrecked aircraft? did it get scrapped or is it store somewhere.

I'm wondering about ZK-OJL also. I remember hearing from somewhere that the tail was going to be made into a monument of some kind. Did anything come of that?

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