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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Communities have 30-days to petition the DOT for reconsideration. |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 2): Given the track record, it almost seems like just a formality for these communities to appeal and receive a waiver; the only community which was booted from EAS due to these criteria was IGM and they were under 2 daily boardings. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Jamestown NY - 9.3 - BUF - 76 |
Quoting Skywatcher (Reply 6): Now that U.S. airlines are finally profitable again is this pork barrel program really still necessary? |
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 7): I am a huge fan of EAS and i think the program literally keeps communities alive, but some places in the northeast especially never should have been given this. Out West places need this, but Jamestown NY is so close to Erie Pa and Buffalo and no traffic or major obstacle in the way. |
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 11): I was at their airport two weeks ago and watched the 2:40p arr from DFW-AUS and 3:10p dep to AUS. |
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): 4 Cities Ejected From EAS Program By DOT |
Quoting Skywatcher (Reply 6): Now that U.S. airlines are finally profitable again is this pork barrel program really still necessary? |
Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 15): So should Adak, Alaska not be granted EAS? |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16): Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 15):So should Adak, Alaska not be granted EAS? No they shouldn't. They can either subsidize service themselves or pay what it costs to make it sustainable. |
Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 9): It is not US3 flying most of these routes. Some of these communities would lose air service TOMORROW, without EAS. |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): As they should. EAS is a complete waste of money and should be ended today. If people choose to live in rural areas so be it, not up to the rest of the taxpayers to subsidize flights for them. Drive. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22): Every spot on this planet has advantages and disadvantages when it comes to living there. Deal with it. |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): As they should. EAS is a complete waste of money and should be ended today. If people choose to live in rural areas so be it, not up to the rest of the taxpayers to subsidize flights for them. Drive. |
Quoting Skywatcher (Reply 6): Now that U.S. airlines are finally profitable again is this pork barrel program really still necessary? We don't have a subsidy like this available in Canada even though our country is larger with only a fraction of the American population. I am always amazed at how much state intervention there really is in the states despite the rhetoric to the contrary. |
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 21): As they should. EAS is a complete waste of money and should be ended today. If people choose to live in rural areas so be it, not up to the rest of the taxpayers to subsidize flights for them. Drive. |
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 11): Too bad to see Victoria on there. I was at their airport two weeks ago and watched the 2:40p arr from DFW-AUS and 3:10p dep to AUS. I was actually amazed that 9, yes 9!, people deplaned off the flight. I was actually more shocked that 3 got on to the flight only going to AUS. Needless to say, there were more pax than I was expecting. They have a nice little terminal and certainly seem to promote the service in the area. |
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 7): I am a huge fan of EAS and i think the program literally keeps communities alive, but some places in the northeast especially never should have been given this. |
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 27): If we use this logic, then there should also be no federal / state subsidies for mass transit in urban areas. If people choose to live in urban areas, so be it, not up to the rest of taxpayers to subsidize busses and subways for them. I feel as long as we subsidize mass transit and construction of additional subway lines, such as Manhattan's 2nd Avenue Subway (which I strongly support, even though I'll never ride on it) that are needed to improve mobility for people in big cities, then we should also subsidize air service for rural areas. It's only fair. |
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 1): Does the DOT ever ADD any cities to EAS? |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3): No program is not open for new communities. |
Quoting michman (Reply 18): MKG is only 50 miles from GRR, but because GRR falls just below the threshold of "medium" sized hub, MKG still gets EAS subsidies. Idiotic. |
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23): In my opinion EAS shouldn't be a federal subsidy - it should be left to each individual state to decide if they want to subsidize flying to their own remote towns. I would think if it were coming out of their own state treasury, they'd be more selective as to who gets service. |
Quoting L-188 (Reply 25): But the Feds run everything aviation, why shouldn't they also run this program |
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 27): I feel as long as we subsidize mass transit and construction of additional subway lines, such as Manhattan's 2nd Avenue Subway (which I strongly support, even though I'll never ride on it) that are needed to improve mobility for people in big cities, then we should also subsidize air service for rural areas. It's only fair. |
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 27): If we use this logic, then there should also be no federal / state subsidies for mass transit in urban areas. If people choose to live in urban areas, so be it, not up to the rest of taxpayers to subsidize busses and subways for them. |
Quoting JBo (Reply 32): I guess that depends on your definition of "add." There are many cities that previously did not receive EAS subsidies that have since entered the program by virtue of their airline services declining to a single carrier, and that carrier in turn petitioning the DOT for EAS subsidies. This is what happened in MKG and several other airports in Michigan and the Great Lakes region where Mesaba was the sole carrier and they decided they wanted subsidies to sustain the routes. |
Quoting MSPNWA: Sad to see what DL did to Mason City. Just three years ago I could take a CRJ to MSP. Before that it was healthy SF3 service with sometimes full flights. Now it's a long ride in a Caravan to ORD with separate tickets. No wonder demand tanked. I know I don't consider it anymore. |
Quoting greenair727 (Reply 38): Caravan? Is like a van ride to ORD? |
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40): Quoting nws2002 (Reply 39):I assume it's a Cessna Caravan. It is a small, unpressurized, single-engine turboprop plane. Correct. It's a Cessna 208 Caravan operated by Air Choice One. And Judging by the daily passenger numbers, almost no one is flying them. Not a surprise to me. I wouldn't either. |
Quoting cbphoto (Reply 42): The Issue with EAS today isn't so much the program, but the airlines currently serving it. Service on carriers such as Great Lakes and other airlines is often unreliable and subject to frequent cancellations and schedule changes. Boarding levels and goals are hard to achieve if the passengers cannot rely and trust the service to get them to there destination. If service to the these communities were better and more reliable, I think the program would be better off. |
Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 28): Victoria is my hometown and after United pulled out a while back, they do not have any commercial service at this point. There is a little prop service to Houston (IAH), but that's it. |
Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 28): Victoria is my hometown and after United pulled out a while back, they do not have any commercial service at this point. There is a little prop service to Houston (IAH), but that's it. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16): Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 15): So should Adak, Alaska not be granted EAS? No they shouldn't. They can either subsidize service themselves or pay what it costs to make it sustainable. |
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40): Correct. It's a Cessna 208 Caravan operated by Air Choice One. And Judging by the daily passenger numbers, almost no one is flying them. Not a surprise to me. I wouldn't either. |
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 27): If we use this logic, then there should also be no federal / state subsidies for mass transit in urban areas. |
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 27): If people choose to live in urban areas, so be it, not up to the rest of taxpayers to subsidize busses and subways for them. |
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 35): Without subsidies for mass transit, the economies of large cities, which contribute a rather large share of the nation's GDP and tax revenue, would grind to a halt. |
Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 44): EAS carriers also move a lot of people to doctors appointments, cancer treatments, etc. |
Quoting tom11 (Reply 47): Most of these people were born and raised in these remote places...and didn't just chose to move out to the middle of nowhere. |
Quoting tom11 (Reply 47): There are many places that should not have air service through EAS...you are correct...but some places need it. |