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cessna53996
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Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 1:35 pm

My question is if it is physically possible for B6 to fly into EYW with their E190s taking into consideration the MTOW, weight restrictions, etc... I could see B6, if possible, flying EYW-FLL with the E190s possibly 2x daily. Any comments and clarifications is welcome.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 2:02 pm

They fly the E190 into mvy which has about the same length runway. So I would say yes and a matter of time for when they do.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 2:18 pm

737-7s go in there right now, so the 190 would definitely be possible....Right about 100,000 passengers go to the Miami area each year from EYW, which was way more than I was expecting. They do codeshare with Silver on the route right now....but I'm really wondering if it would be worth it on such a short flight. I guess they are able to make the Cape work pretty well.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 2:22 pm

The technical aspect aside, that's a lot of capacity for a route most Fort Lauderdale/Miami/Keys locals...myself included...would probably just prefer to drive: 1) Because it's incredibly scenic between Key Largo and Key West for about a hundred miles of the trip, 2) The huge cost difference, and 3) The hassle of airline travel most likely won't create any time benefit door-to-door, which you can probably lump business travelers into.

Then you have the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area tourists who already have a rental car and have probably heard about the same things above, and the cruise passengers from Fort Lauderdale or Miami who may very well stop in Key West on their itinerary anyway.

There just isn't really much of a market in it...
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 2:33 pm

silver Airways and United Express already provide nonstop service from Fort Lauderdale to Key West
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 2:35 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
There just isn't really much of a market in it...

The market would be for passengers connecting to/from other B6 destinations.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 5:26 pm

I think B6 would need the SR version of the E190. I know they have to for LCY. The 737 that FL flew in there had a special braking system. IIRC. Most hops are short from EYW....ATL, MSY. Has anyone done NYC?
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):

DL flew EYW-LGA in season.
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Sun May 24, 2015 11:29 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7):

They currently send a 737-7 in there seasonally.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):

I think B6 would need the SR version of the E190. I know they have to for LCY.

They could do it with weight restrictions, FLL won't require much fuel.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting Abeam79 (Reply 1):
They fly the E190 into mvy which has about the same length runway. So I would say yes and a matter of time for when they do.

MVY = 5,504ft
EYW = 4,801ft
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 10):

Quoting Abeam79 (Reply 1):
They fly the E190 into mvy which has about the same length runway. So I would say yes and a matter of time for when they do.

MVY = 5,504ft
EYW = 4,801ft

I know that B6 has landed their E190s on runway 33 (5000 ft.) at ORH a few times.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 5:37 am

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 10):

MVY = 5,504ft
EYW = 4,801ft

SDU has A32X, 737-X, Erj-190 with the largest runway at 4,341ft
Clear skies and strong tail winds.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 9:32 am

A little OT but if and when the US normalizes relations with Cuba. Do we see NQX being the airport for EYW even if joint use? The community has to suffer while there are 3 runways of at least 7000'.
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 11:02 am

Looks like A320 would be a better performer in EYW.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 8):
They currently send a 737-7 in there seasonally.

It's been a while since the -700 wasn't on the schedule. Even now, it appears to to be on 3 of the 4 daily flights.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7):
DL flew EYW-LGA in season.

Well they did it once for a few Saturdays around Christmas a few years back. Never came back. IIRC they used an MD-88 on the route, that had to be fun.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
The 737 that FL flew in there had a special braking system.

Did FL ever fly the 737 in there? I thought it was just the 717. And those had performance limitations that prevented EYW-ATL. Went to MCO instead.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
The technical aspect aside, that's a lot of capacity for a route most Fort Lauderdale/Miami/Keys locals...myself included...would probably just prefer to drive:

I have to disagree. When I first started visiting the Keys (pre-Andrew) it wasn't a bad drive from either FLL or MIA. Nowadays, traffic is terrible. It's so heavy all the way down to Key West now, my average drive to Big Pine takes at least an hour longer than it used to. I fly into EYW as much as I can. But you are correct, it's much pricier. If the agreement between B6 and Silver works out, maybe it will convince B6 to jump in from FLL as well.
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 2):
737-7s go in there right now, so the 190 would definitely be possible

The E190 doesn't have the stellar field performance of the 73G.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Looks like A320 would be a better performer in EYW.

   I tend to agree, although it too is compromised, If they had an A319 that would be the aircraft to use.
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 9:31 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 15):
IIRC they used an MD-88 on the route, that had to be fun.

Actually they did use a 737-700 and I'm pretty sure they flew it last summer too IIRC.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 15):

Did FL ever fly the 737 in there? I thought it was just the 717. And those had performance limitations that prevented EYW-ATL. Went to MCO instead.

Pretty sure it was the other way around. Only 73Gs, no 717s,
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 9:37 pm

Instead of EYW-FLL, how about EYR-MCO with B6?
 
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 9:53 pm

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 11):
I know that B6 has landed their E190s on runway 33 (5000 ft.) at ORH a few times.

Landing isn't the hard part.  
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 2):
737-7s go in there right now, so the 190 would definitely be possible
The E190 doesn't have the stellar field performance of the 73G.
Quoting cessna53996 (Thread starter):
I could see B6, if possible, flying EYW-FLL with the E190s possibly 2x daily. Any comments and clarifications is welcome.

The question is not whether it is possible because it surely is possible. The question is how often it is possible. The factors are wind and temperature. My guess is that FLL/MCO can be done with a 100% LF with an E190 when there is minimal crosswind. There is no way to determine how reliable an operation there would be without a more complicated analysis than anyone here would be able to do unless they have access to B6 dispatch info. I highly doubt JFK/BOS are viable in terms of the weight restrictions. A more interesting question would be the A320. I'd assume it should be able to do MCO/FLL as well or better than an E190 if they have the high thrust variant.

Apart from the runway length, the airport is no day at beach for anybody other than the passengers...
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RE: Is EYW Possible With B6?

Mon May 25, 2015 11:47 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 15):

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