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Irish 9/15: Throttles To The Firewall ...

Mon May 25, 2015 6:47 am

Good morning folks, on this bright, beautiful May morning!

Summer's here and things are starting to get busy ... new routes, new flights, new aircraft.

Just a few highlights from the last thread:
- Ethiopian starts flying to the US via DUB (although LAX doesn't start until next week)
- EI-EWR returns from maintenance to rejoin the EI fleet, after several years away
- Aer Lingus introduces special livery on two A320s, off lease from Virgin "Little Red"
- We should expect to see a decision this week on IAG's planned acquisition of Aer Lingus; FR likely to agree to sell its shareholding too
- Thousands fly home to Ireland to vote in the marriage referendum on May 22, which was successfully passed

Over to you, folks; enjoy!
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 7:11 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):

Green Spirit has been busy around Europe. Some nice pics on the web of it at BRU DBV MXP etc... It seems to be getting attention.

Also saw EI being slated for charging oneway flights from LHR to DUB at €523 during the referendum. That is quite outrageous IMHO!

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Aer Lingus sale near as officials tease out details of IAG's bid with EC chiefs

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/p...s-bid-with-ec-chiefs-31250615.html

So the government have the report ! Lets see if they can get a deal done during this thread  
 
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RE: Irish 9/15: Throttles To The Firewall ...

Mon May 25, 2015 7:26 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Lets see if they can get a deal done during this thread  

Keep thinking each time a new thread starts that this will be the one that announces the buy out.

Wishful thinking for this thread!  

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ET used a 77W yesterday. Good to see such a variety of airlines in DUB nowadays.
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RE: Irish 9/15: Throttles To The Firewall ...

Mon May 25, 2015 8:09 am

Quoting Cipango (Reply 2):
Keep thinking each time a new thread starts that this will be the one that announces the buy out.

Wishful thinking for this thread!

My feeling exactly; kind of reminds me of Maire Geoghegan Quinn about twenty years ago, who kept promising to make a decision on the Shannon stopover in "a matter of weeks"!

That said, I think Wednesday will be the big day ...

[Edited 2015-05-25 01:09:51]
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 8:18 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):

My feeling exactly; kind of reminds me of Maire Geoghegan Quinn about twenty years ago, who kept promising to make a decision on the Shannon stopover in "a matter of weeks"!

That said, I think Wednesday will be the big day ...

[Edited 2015-05-25 01:09:51]

RTE reporting this morning that a decision will be made "in the coming weeks". The Dáil summer recess begins in mid-July so we can expect a decision inside the next 8 weeks or so max. There'll be no desire to drag it out until September.

Examiner reporting that a decision could be taken this week.

[Edited 2015-05-25 01:37:00]
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 10:50 am

Gonna treat myself for a one way upgrade to first class. Never flown in first class. Which seat is best?
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Mon May 25, 2015 10:58 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):

What airline? What route? What plane????
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Mon May 25, 2015 12:11 pm

Will this report be released to the public? I think everyone here would be interested in reading it!

[Edited 2015-05-25 05:12:09]
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 12:50 pm

Why does anyone think a sale to IAG would be good? Surely LHR competition will be gone? Just puts us back to the 80's

Might be good for Gold Circle, Oneworld etc but the premium route will definitely be more expensive.
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Mon May 25, 2015 1:38 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Gonna treat myself for a one way upgrade to first class. Never flown in first class. Which seat is best?

Well if you're going to be in first class then any seat on CX, SQ, EK, BA etc. would be best....  
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 1:48 pm

Has EI indicated any interest in the A321LR? If so do you think they might consider adding nonstops from Cork and or Belfast to BOS or JFK?
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 1:55 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 10):
Has EI indicated any interest in the A321LR? If so do you think they might consider adding nonstops from Cork and or Belfast to BOS or JFK?

I'd say very slim chances of it happening. Belfast is out as the runway at BHD can't support long-range operations. ORK would likely eat into SNN yields.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting nu (Reply 8):

Really depends, if IAG expand EI ex DUB by lets say 2 aircraft per year (EI at one) then that additional capacity would keep prices in line and then you have DL and UA, AC, WJ, TS who could all respond by adding capacity if you wanted. It really depends what is in the report and if code shares such as VS must be kept for a number of years etc.

You will also see DY/FR possibly make an appearance in the next 10 years so always somebody to keep them in check.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 3:30 pm

If EI were to consider looking to start new services to the east would DUB-BOM and or DEL be a route worth considering?
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 12):

Why? Does DY have plans for DUB?
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Mon May 25, 2015 3:54 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 13):

If EI were to consider looking to start new services to the east would DUB-BOM and or DEL be a route worth considering?

I think PEK would be EI's first Asia route if they began to fly to Asia. However I believe IAG plans are to focus on North America first and then look at other opportunities. However never say never!
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 13):
If EI were to consider looking to start new services to the east would DUB-BOM and or DEL be a route worth considering?

I don't think we will see them going to India; the Middle Eastern carriers - EY, EK and TK - have that sewn up!

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 10):
Has EI indicated any interest in the A321LR? If so do you think they might consider adding nonstops from Cork and or Belfast to BOS or JFK?

Yes, I think it is of interest to them; they know that the 757 is only a stopgap and they will need something in the long term and the A321NeoLR seems to come closest to fitting that bill. I see them using it to serve new US cities, rather than adding service from ORK or BFS.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting lesfalls (Reply 14):

No particular plans however did they said they were looking at Bangkok at one stage but since the long haul fleet is being removed from Irish register who knows what might happen. They have plans for regional UK in 2017 and if they see demand from Dublin I don't see why they wouldn't come if they can make it work.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 5:12 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Gonna treat myself for a one way upgrade to first class. Never flown in first class. Which seat is best?
Quoting EIRules (Reply 6):
What airline? What route? What plane????

You haven't answered the question. Lots of info needed to give you a correct answer.

Quoting nu (Reply 8):
Why does anyone think a sale to IAG would be good? Surely LHR competition will be gone? Just puts us back to the 80's

Well in the 1980's LHR was really the only way to leave Ireland apart from the boat. Now we have LTN,STN, LCY as well as multiple European and Middle Eastern destinations from DUB. (Sorry NOC,SNN and ORK) SO the monoploy situation will not be repeated. The old dominance of LHR fro Irish traveller has been eroded. But we still see soem people clinging to this outdated notion of "LHR connectivity"

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 10):
Has EI indicated any interest in the A321LR? If so do you think they might consider adding nonstops from Cork and or Belfast to BOS or JFK?

FY 2014 results did make mention of the A321LR......to many EI seem like a perfect fit for it. They have B757's until 2020, they have the shorter T/A routes, they alrady operate A321's, they helped Airbus with A330 ETOPS in the mid 90's......

But I can't see routes ex Belfast, ORK maybe.....
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 5:32 pm

Quoting nu (Reply 8):
Why does anyone think a sale to IAG would be good? Surely LHR competition will be gone? Just puts us back to the 80's

Might be good for Gold Circle, Oneworld etc but the premium route will definitely be more expensive.

I would agree that fares on DUB-LHR are likely to increase a little (as capacity gets rationalised) but it's certainly not a case of returning to the 80s. Those that will accept higher fares will pay them, and those that won't will choose alternative options. In the 80s there were no alternatives, so it was a case of pay the high fares or don't fly at all.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 6:41 pm

Oh Aer Lingus. Read a report which said 3k/5k are good seats.
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Mon May 25, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 18):
The old dominance of LHR fro Irish traveller has been eroded. But we still see soem people clinging to this outdated notion of "LHR connectivity"

Well for DUB the dominance of LHR has been eroded. For SNN and ORK it is still vitally important.
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 7:46 pm

Got to see the KLM flight at BHD today. Great to see it really want to try this route.


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Mon May 25, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 20):

Oh Aer Lingus. Read a report which said 3k/5k are good seats.




You do realise Aer Lingus don't have a First class cabin. It's business class!
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Mon May 25, 2015 9:48 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 20):
Oh Aer Lingus. Read a report which said 3k/5k are good seats.

3Q is the best........
 
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Mon May 25, 2015 10:16 pm

Considering Owen and his family are driving to Dublin to save 200 euro for the family, rather than fly from Belfast, I think the chances of a spending 500 on a one way upgrade are zero.

Anyway, why are we discussing his upgrade....
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Mon May 25, 2015 11:55 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 10):

Has EI indicated any interest in the A321LR? If so do you think they might consider adding nonstops from Cork and or Belfast to BOS or JFK?


Yes they have looked at it in detail.

The problem is the runway length in dub. The last time I checked the performance, the max theoretical take off weight was about 90000kgs. That is with current engines at 32000Lbs of thrust each side at max take off power.

It depends what the neoLR can lift. Snn will fit perfectly.

The 757 has better short field performance.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 12:45 am

On what sort route would there be performance issues for the 321LR from Dublin?
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Tue May 26, 2015 4:35 am

Looks like we're close to V1 ...

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ooks-increasingly-likely-1.2225771

Consultants hired by Dept of Transport strongly favouring deal. Govt understood to have won concessions, not just on LHR, but other issues too (including some which one would hope they'd be aiming to do anyway!)

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ooks-increasingly-likely-1.2225771
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 6:30 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 5):
Gonna treat myself for a one way upgrade to first class. Never flown in first class. Which seat is best?

What are Are Lingus's rules with regards to paid upgrades from Economy to Business? In the past might still be true some airlines made the passenger put the original economy class ticket in for refund. They would wave the cancellation fee but in theory the pax had to pay again and wait on a refund on the original tkt. In other words they wouldn't just re-issue the original ticket with an additional collection.

Other airlines on some fare basis did not permit the passenger to pay to upgrade.

What happens these days? Is everything now upgradeable?

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Tue May 26, 2015 9:11 am

Quoting richcandy (Reply 29):

Aer Lingus brought in a new upgrade policy alot of the times they are offering a upgrade offer either before the flight or at the Airport. If there is no such offer and you still wish to upgrade you pay the fare difference between Y and J.

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Good news for Ryanair.

No-Frills Ryanair Sees Profits Soar By 66%

Budget airline Ryanair has reported a 66% hike in net profits in the last year.

The operator saw its profits after tax increase by two-thirds from €523m (£370m) to €867m (£613.6m) in the 12 months to March.

http://news.sky.com/story/1490697/no...ir-sees-profits-soar-by-66-percent
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 9:19 am

Quoting 321neoLR (Reply 26):
Yes they have looked at it in detail.

The problem is the runway length in dub.

Given the current growth in pax numbers, that wont be an issue for long - once traffic exceeds 25 million, the trigger for the start of construction of the parellel RWY 10/28 is reached - which is planned for 3660m in length.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting nu (Reply 8):
Why does anyone think a sale to IAG would be good? Surely LHR competition will be gone? Just puts us back to the 80's

I'd say there will have to be some concessions given in order for the sale to go ahead. There is even a remote possibility that FR could be given LHR slots to ensure competition, and BA pull off the route.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 21):
Well for DUB the dominance of LHR has been eroded. For SNN and ORK it is still vitally important.

Indeed, hence my apologies to NOC,SNN,ORK in my post.
I would expect any Euro Commission issues to arise from the reliance on LHR ex -SNN/ORK

Quoting tonystan (Reply 23):
You do realise Aer Lingus don't have a First class cabin. It's business class!

Dont confuse him with facts
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 32):

I'd say there will have to be some concessions given in order for the sale to go ahead. There is even a remote possibility that FR could be given LHR slots to ensure competition, and BA pull off the route.


I'd say alsmot without a doubt BA will pull their schedule in the medium turn so they can use the slots elsewhere. Already at LHR we see IB and BA "share" the route but IB wide bodies operating flights down to MAD and no longer any IB metal on the BCN route.

Those early LHRs could perhaps soon find themselves as green top A330's????

Still sceptical about the merger but trying to keep an open mind!
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Tue May 26, 2015 12:27 pm

A few W/B on peak flights makes sense. We shall see. I doubt BA will come off the route completely though. Maybe drop some of the lighter flights and keep the ones that are popular with CE passengers. After all it will still be a totally seperate brand. Just like BA/VY who operate totally different models.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 12:40 pm

If the deal goes through I can absolutely see EI reintroduced a business cabin to LHR and probably other key European destinations like AMS, CDG & FRA. For me they should have done this a year ago, similar to what SK offer up front in Europe
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Tue May 26, 2015 12:42 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
. I doubt BA will come off the route completely though.

While all the media focus has been on waiting on the government to decide on their stakeholding on EI. After they give the green light there is still the issue of the competition authority to satisfy.
What conditions do we think they will attach? Will IAG propose their own or will the authority dictate the changes required for maintaining competition.
Could we see something similar as what was attached to the BMI sale?
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 12:55 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 37):
After they give the green light there is still the issue of the competition authority to satisfy.
What conditions do we think they will attach? Will IAG propose their own or will the authority dictate the changes required for maintaining competition.

I pretty much think that it has already been discussed behind closed doors and its just a formality to be honest. They would have been testing the waters from day one and this long drawn out process has given them even more time to ''deal''. Maybe there will be restrictions on how close BA/EI can link more than they are already. BA-EI are in different countries where as the BA/BD deal were two British carriers. Also the state of BMI at the time was very different from EI. That could be a plus or a minus.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 28):
Looks like we're close to V1 ...

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ooks-increasingly-likely-1.2225771

Consultants hired by Dept of Transport strongly favouring deal. Govt understood to have won concessions, not just on LHR, but other issues too (including some which one would hope they'd be aiming to do anyway!)

Awesome. Look forward to the deal hopefully closing and Aer Lingus joining IAG and rejoining oneworld.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 34):
I'd say almost without a doubt BA will pull their schedule in the medium turn so they can use the slots elsewhere.

I agree that, depending on the regulatory concessions apparently agreed (or to-be-agreed) and the scope of changes IAG has the flexibility to make, it seems entirely logical to me for BA to exit the DUB market completely and focus it entirely on Aer Lingus. Those eight slot pairs can then be redeployed elsewhere - to open up still more new markets for BA out of its LHR hub, or to further bolster BA's presence on existing routes.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 1:07 pm

The next phase of SNN terminal refurbishment has bee put to tender:

http://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/pub...&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Badly needed - the arrivals hall is probably the last of the "old terminal" that hasn't been touched since the day it opened.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 40):
Badly needed - the arrivals hall is probably the last of the "old terminal" that hasn't been touched since the day it opened.

Funny you should say that when I saw the pics on FB the other day I thought ''OMG thats retro''  
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 40):
Badly needed - the arrivals hall is probably the last of the "old terminal" that hasn't been touched since the day it opened.

Not sure it's the best use of airport funding, they will not get a return on investment
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 2:25 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 42):
Not sure it's the best use of airport funding, they will not get a return on investment

It'll be money well spent. First impressions of the airport to arriving passengers play a big part and is often overlooked.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 2:27 pm

A shame to see SNN-FUE go.

Ryanair drops Canary flight over shortages

Ryanair citing lack of aircraft availability for axing Fuerteventura service

Ryanair has been forced to drop one of its year-round services from Shannon this winter because of a “lack of aircraft capacity” even though the airline will still ground 50 planes for the season.
Last July it announced a significant expansion of its winter schedule at Shannon Airport including a year-round weekly service to Fuerteventura in the Canary Islands.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...ry-flight-over-shortages-1.2225656

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Kerry Airport eyeing up new routes

More than 295,000 people used the airport which has a regional connection to Dublin, along with two London connections and regular flights to Frankfurt Hahn in Germany. Summer connections include Faro in Portugal and Alicante in Spain. In all 295,521 passengers travelled through Kerry Airport in 2014. The numbers represented an annual drop of 4%. This was largely due to airline consolidation, according to the airport.
However, the Kerry to Dublin and Dublin to Kerry regional flight, which is subsidised under the public service obligation grant, saw growth of 13.5% and this is regarded as crucial to the airport’s continuing growth.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...t-eyeing-up-new-routes-332905.html

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For any spotters wanting to catch the Thomson Dreamliner it will be in DUB on 17th June for the special trade event mentioned in the last thread. It will take off from DUB at 1130 for a flight around Ireland and then land back at 12:45. Hopefully its a nice day for pics.
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 43):

Well spent but it will take a long time to recover it from operators at the airport...
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 37):
Could we see something similar as what was attached to the BMI sale?

It will likely depend on whether the commission assess the impact of the takeover on an airport-airport or a city-city basis. Confining the analysis strictly to the DUB-LHR pairing seems unlikely given that STN, LGW and LCY are generally viewed as reasonable alternatives for O&D traffic. There are numerous alternatives for connecting traffic.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 42):

There is generally always some level of return from infrastructure investment, the question rather is how much and whether or not it can be justified. I do think some investment in the arrivals facility is warranted, but only on the condition that it can be done at a reasonable cost. Nothing lavish is required.

[Edited 2015-05-26 08:06:18]
 
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Tue May 26, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 25):

Just upgraded myself.. It only cost £330!

[Edited 2015-05-26 08:11:46]
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RE: Irish 9/15: Throttles To The Firewall ...

Tue May 26, 2015 3:10 pm

Quoting richcandy (Reply 29):

Rang up there now and it only cost me £330! All they did was split the booking and change the seat.
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RE: Irish 9/15: Throttles To The Firewall ...

Tue May 26, 2015 3:19 pm

So you've gone and put your own comfort ahead of the wellbeing of the NI economy frostyj. If people from the Belfast area are willing to travel to Dublin AND pay more for their flight, then there really isn't a hope is there?

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