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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 3:26 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 49):
If AA has the same rules as DL, then he'd only get standby for personal travel and given that his wife/kids were with him... sounds like a vacation to me. Buying your own tickets seems like a good idea. He can certainly afford it.

They don't. At least they didn't back when Carty was CEO as post 44 mentions. Delta would be the exception today, unless other airlines have changed their policy in recent years in light of 89% average load factors. At a minimum I am almost certain if they don't get positive space for personal travel, they definitely get club memberships and high level FF status without having to qualify.

But I agree, it is no big deal for him to buy tickets, even lots of hourly employees do when they are going on vacation.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 3:50 am

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 25):
It's illegal in most jurisdictions to appropriate someone's image and post it without their explicit or implicit consent.

Incorrect. You have no expectation of privacy when in a public setting.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 47):
I don't know why Delta employees would pay Delta to fly Delta with Delta's money.

Not sure how DL works, but at AS our officers (MD level and above) fly on what are full-fare revenue tickets purchased via an AS commercial account. This is for accounting purposes and also permits the traveler to space-available upgrades based on the fare paid and their Mileage Plan elite level status (they're typically granted elite-level status as part of their compensation while with the company).
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 25):
You're dead wrong. It's illegal in most jurisdictions to appropriate someone's image and post it without their explicit or implicit consent.
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 25):
Government surveillance that is not explicitly authorized by legislation, executive orders, or similar authority is illegal in most jurisdictions. As to companies, you should read the fine print of any contract or transaction you enter into, in which you may be agreeing to the sale or use of the data. If you haven't consented, it's illegal in most jurisdictions.

Do you read the internet? because there are examples all over if you need my help in finding them.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 4:38 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 7):


At Delta, the senior managers/VPs/COO/CEO fly on standby for personal travel like everyone else.


That is absolutely false!!!

Not only do they have PS benefits for personal travel, it is PS first/business class (except Richard who prefers to travel in economy (at least domestically)). Unless it has changed in recent years that also applies to their pass riders.

I cannot image any C-level executive at any major airline that does not have confirmed travel as part of their benefits. These individuals negotiate their compensation and it's a perk that doesn't really cost the company much to extend.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 6:03 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 51):
Incorrect. You have no expectation of privacy when in a public setting.

That is correct here in the US, there is no expectation of privacy in public places, therefore images & overheard conversations are part of the jungle & should have anyone think twice about what they say outside of closed doors.

How do you think the paparazzi makes their money? Do not confuse the dislike of people who invade others privacy for monetary gain & those who happen to spot a person of interest & mentions it online.

There is obviously no ill will intended by the O.P. & he was not divulging this gentleman's secrets, or posting pictures, the O.P. saw someone else, he said something about it, big deal & good for him for what he saw as a cool encounter.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 10:25 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 49):

He's in the airline biz like everybody else for FREE travel. So why pay if you don't have to.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 11:22 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 7):
At Delta, the senior managers/VPs/COO/CEO fly on standby for personal travel like everyone else.

That is true. however many of the pro union people would not agree.

Quoting Yakflyer (Reply 21):
I promise you senior managers at all 3 legacy airlines have positive space first class privileges for themselves, their families and if they retire from that airline the benefit continues for life

That is not true for personal travel nor has it been in the past.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 3:38 pm

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 30):
Everyone speculates..
He was on a full fare ticket.. and he has exec platinum status. He may very well have an admirals club membership.. AA employees are eligible to purchase them.

At United, I know a few VPs that are granted GS status as part of their employment package. Maybe AA grants Executive Platinum for their senior execs.

I have no idea on their pass privileges when they travel for pleasure.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 3:42 pm

I don't see why they need to grant the vp's any status since most fly confirmed F and have the ability to bump payed F passengers to coach
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 4:54 pm

Unlimited positive space first class for exec and dependents, highest status of FQTV program, membership for exec and spouse in Admirals Club. This is all booked to a UATP cards as a full fare ticket so that appears as full fare booking in system and bypasses the PS/NRSA listing process. In the background, the associated revenue is reversed so it processes as a ZERO fare ticket in the revenue accounting system and the exec is taxed on the fair value of the ticket for IRS purposes. However, they are provided a further allowance to reimburse them for their tax liability.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 51):
You have no expectation of privacy when in a public setting.

It's a little more nuanced than that. Try posting an image of someone changing their kid's diaper in a public washroom and see what happens. And please note that I said "most jurisdictions". Aubrey v. Éditions Vice-Versa surveys much of the case law: http://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/1608/index.do

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 52):
Do you read the internet? because there are examples all over if you need my help in finding them.

No, I don't read the internet. I access a.net by telepathy. But I actually prefer to rely on my expertise in privacy law.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 60):

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 51):
You have no expectation of privacy when in a public setting.

It's a little more nuanced than that. Try posting an image of someone changing their kid's diaper in a public washroom and see what happens.

That's quite a bit different than someone sitting in the middle of an airline club. Applying CA law (not AZ I know but probably close enough) you would have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a washroom however not when you are simply sitting in the public areas of the club...
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Wed May 27, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 53):
except Richard who prefers to travel in economy (at least domestically)

I've always heard this but I haven't witnessed it myself. It says a lot when a millionaire CEO sits in the back on his own planes.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 61):
That's quite a bit different than someone sitting in the middle of an airline club. Applying CA law (not AZ I know but probably close enough) you would have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a washroom however not when you are simply sitting in the public areas of the club...

There is indeed an expectation of privacy in a public washroom. There is no expectation of privacy in a public place, but in a private club there is an expectation of privacy, but only to the limitations of the clubs policies.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 56):

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 7):
At Delta, the senior managers/VPs/COO/CEO fly on standby for personal travel like everyone else.

That is true. however many of the pro union people would not agree.

I am definitely not pro Union!!! But I must disagree because I have first experience. I know managers that travel PS F for personal travel and have even taken vacation with one once. So I am not guessing, I know this to be a fact.

Now it might involve some funky booking process like below (I have no idea how it get books)...

Quoting TWAL1011 (Reply 59):
Unlimited positive space first class for exec and dependents, highest status of FQTV program, membership for exec and spouse in Admirals Club. This is all booked to a UATP cards as a full fare ticket so that appears as full fare booking in system and bypasses the PS/NRSA listing process. In the background, the associated revenue is reversed so it processes as a ZERO fare ticket in the revenue accounting system and the exec is taxed on the fair value of the ticket for IRS purposes. However, they are provided a further allowance to reimburse them for their tax liability.

Sounds very logical.

Even if you don't work for an airline a lot execs at Fortune 500 companies have personal travel allowances as part of their compensation package, so it only makes since that an airline exec would have it.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 62):
I've always heard this but I haven't witnessed it myself. It says a lot when a millionaire CEO sits in the back on his own planes.

I've never witnessed it either, but I've heard enough stories from credible sources to know it is true. It definitely says a lot. Even if he didn't want to travel up front for free, he could certainly afford to pay for it himself, but he actually prefers to fly in the back and talk to passengers.
What I want to know is if he does this for international as well or just domestic? I assume it is just domestic because I can't imagine him being able to function in a meeting after a 10 flight in economy, but if he does travel economy for international as well... WOW!
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 12:35 am

Quoting antoniemey (Reply 12):
Quoting B737900ER (Reply 11):
Yeah. Hard to imagine a CEO of a major corporation who makes millions of dollars a year choosing to fly standby.

Those who make it are often loathe to spend it.

Not necessarily loathe to spend it, but rather, know that a job could end at any time. I know some people who some might describe as cheap, until you learn how their families had a rough time during the Depression.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 56):
That is not true for personal travel nor has it been in the past.

At US Airways and the new American, company officers receive lifetime unlimited, unrestricted positive space travel benefits for themselves, spouses, and dependents in any class of service as part of their compensation package.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 64):
I know managers that travel PS F for personal travel and have even taken vacation with one once. So I am not guessing, I know this to be a fact.

Maybe they've been grandfathered in? I don't know but I understand that PS F/Y is now for business only. It could also be they actually bought a ticket using the company credit card. Details at this point. Clearly AA is different.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 66):

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 56):
That is not true for personal travel nor has it been in the past.

At US Airways and the new American, company officers receive lifetime unlimited, unrestricted positive space travel benefits for themselves, spouses, and dependents in any class of service as part of their compensation package.

I think bobnwa was referring to Delta.
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 9):


He is a nice guy.....you should say hi.

Robert is one hell of a manager and a down to earth person.....no executive ego with him unless you don't do your job.

I don't post here often, but Robert is a class act. One of the few upper level managers that sent me a personalized goodbye when I left US Airways and one of the few reasons I miss working there.
 
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RE: Sitting Next To AA COO In PHX Lounge

Thu May 28, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 64):
I am definitely not pro Union!!! But I must disagree because I have first experience. I know managers that travel PS F for personal travel and have even taken vacation with one once. So I am not guessing, I know this to be a fact.


The facts that I know say the exact opposite.

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