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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:00 am

Interesting insight by HA CEO Dunkerley at the IATA AGM regarding why Sendai failed.

According to Aviation Daily interview -

Sendai-origin passengers are “conditioned” to travel to Narita on fast rail transport for long-haul flights, he said.

Article also mentions that China origin local sales have been a "challenge" for HA on the Beijing route, though the CEO ultimately believes there is a huge market and demand for travel from China to the US to tap.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:10 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 50):

That's funny because Tohoku Shinkansen does not arrive into either NRT or HND directly.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:18 am

Agree.. that is funny. They may be conditioned out of necessity, but that doesn't mean its not a giant pain in the ass. That's practically a 4 hour trip.

[Edited 2015-06-08 21:18:54]
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:20 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 48):

The last remaining piece is an operational connecting hub at HNL, same day connections to & from Australia. PDX-HNL-SYD is 6,665nm vs PDX-SFO-SYD at 6,923nm, I hope one day HA does offer connections & use HNL as a viable connection hub. Connections like LAS-HNL-KIX or SMF-HNL-AKL or SYD-HNL-SEA are all great options vs larger more congested hubs. In my experience FIS at HNL is hit & miss.

This is one of the interesting wrinkles the 321 may allow HA to play around with in West Coast markets like HNL-SEA/PDX/PHX/SMF, instead of 1 767 or 330 each day, they could add an extra frequency with the 321 (or run two 321s) with one of the flights timed better for connections, and one timed for O&D.

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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:34 am

Woah! I just flew Hawaiian to Chitose via Sendai on May 27th! My first flight trip on Hawaiian.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:37 am

It's too bad that logistics with SDJ itself wouldn't allow a non-stop flight. Had the route been so, that would have incentivized those people who are "conditioned" towards the train. The weak yen and strong dollar certainly aren't helping matters either.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:52 am

Fukuoka was dropped because Delta started the same rout after Hawaiian did to create overcapacity & kill yields for Hawaiian. then raised prices after they dropped the route.
Delta seems to love doing that.

Sendai never fully recovered from the nearby meltdown & huge loss of jobs in the area thats still rebuilding. Surprised it lasted this long with the wide body. Mind you if they go for the A321neoLR it could be a good route to return.

Both Sendai & Sapporo would be better flown with the A321neoLR and both are just within range for a non-stop and midway as a fuel stop if needed on the way.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:05 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 43):

HA needs to stick to flights to/from HI. Most people do not think of them when it comes to international destinations.

If they feel the need to fly internationally, then they need to market the service more.

Have no idea what is meant by this. Are these flights not to/from Hawaii from major Hawaiian tourist markets?
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:14 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 56):
Both Sendai & Sapporo would be better flown with the A321neoLR and both are just within range for a non-stop and midway as a fuel stop if needed on the way.

No, the 321 will not have the range to fly HNL to either SDJ or CTS, even in a NEO/LR configuration. Not with ETOPS requirements to consider, as well as payload and headwinds to deal with too. Also, MDY can not be used for regular fuel stops. It is an emergency airport only. The only HA planes going to Japan in the future will be 767s, A330s, or their widebody successors.

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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:32 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 7):
I guess it's an opportunity but given the state of JPY and their flops at FUK+SDJ

First time I even HEARD that HA had service to these two cities from HNL. Could lack of publicity/promotion be a contributing factor to the failure of these routes??
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:41 am

Quoting aloha73g (Reply 53):
This is one of the interesting wrinkles the 321 may allow HA to play around with in West Coast markets like HNL-SEA/PDX/PHX/SMF, instead of 1 767 or 330 each day, they could add an extra frequency with the 321 (or run two 321s) with one of the flights timed better for connections, and one timed for O&D.

I had not considered that HA could potentially do double daily to places like PDX or SEA on the 321neo. I'm so used to their 1 a day to so many of their destinations, I bet HA makes good use of those 321's they'll be a great add to the HA fleet, I can't wait to ride in one, let's all ask HA for PDX-OGG n/s back.
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 56):

And now the chickens are coming home to roost with the weak yen taunting DL's FUK-HNL. Even JAL, the expert of Japan-Hawaii, didn't wanna touch that route with a 10 foot pole.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 61):

Or maybe the marketplace is changing... as it always does in this industry. The smart airlines adapt to the changes and sometimes that means making tough decisions. When HA launched FUK they saw the prospects as positive. This is true for every airline as they don't launch routes expecting them to fail. There are hits and misses and this comes with the inherent risk of the business. Without risk, there is no reward. The risk just needs to be calculated, and it is. The route did well initially and then DL matched frequency and loads dropped. Both carriers were carrying less than full planes. HA in the end was carrying a larger share of the FUK market than DL, but DL was able to outlast HA. With the weak yen and strong dollar it's no surprise that all carriers are feeling the pinch to/from Japan, especially in the smaller markets.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air Drops Sendai, Japan

Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:19 pm

Quoting aloha73g (Reply 53):
This is one of the interesting wrinkles the 321 may allow HA to play around with in West Coast markets like HNL-SEA/PDX/PHX/SMF, instead of 1 767 or 330 each day, they could add an extra frequency with the 321 (or run two 321s) with one of the flights timed better for connections, and one timed for O&D.

I would love to see flights to/from PHX to OGG and HNL on HA. US/AA is doing 3 to HNL, 2 to LIH, 2 OGG and one to KOA. The only problem with PHX is the summer it is hot here and I thought I read that they will keep PHX a 763 due to those restrictions. The 08:00 departure time is fine as the ambient temperature is only (yeah I know it is all relative) in the low 90's. The A321 NEO has a estimated range of 3,650nm and the A-321LR is stated to be 4,000nm. Also the winds aloft make the journey to HNL from PHX an hour longer.

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