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NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 4:28 pm

I do not like to call anyone stupid, but doing this in between flights at an airport like O'hare has to be one of the stupidest things I have seen done by a non ramper during a turnaround. Seriously what was she thinking? There are tons of other opportunities to take such a picture. I hope she has another career to proceed with.



http://abc7chicago.com/news/ohare-ta...d-flight-attendant-in-stew/743723/
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 4:44 pm

Stupidest? I doubt it.
Was it potentially job-ending/career-ending? Yes.

I'd like to know how she got downstairs, sounds like somebody let her down on the ramp or escorted her. Either way, it is not very smart to stand in an engine during an active turn, and the person who snapped the photo might be in as much trouble as the FA.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 4:49 pm

I'm pretty sure almost every FA has a picture like this. Rite of passage, just like the one where someone is laying inside an overhead. I don't know where NK crew bases are, but it is possible she is based at ORD and SIDA badged there.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 4:52 pm

So what's the issue here? If it's the fact that she was on the tarmac without a proper SIDA badge, then that is as much an airport issue as it is a Spirit issue. If the issue is that she took a picture in the engine, then half the airline employees in the world are guilty.

I'm unclear if she was on the ramp while the airplane was boarding. If so then that's the biggest issue.

She's a dummy for needing to post her life on Facebook.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 4:56 pm

Saw this at O'hare a few weeks back. Eventually they removed the ladder and sat inside the engine.



My first thoughts are: so what? But we will need to wait to find out whether this was done at an inappropriate time or not.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting womenbeshopping (Thread starter):

First off... I take offense to you implying that rampers are stupid! Secondly I see nothing wrong with this picture! Okay maybe it should have been done on a terminating aircraft and she should have been badge for that airport sterile area... But the pic itself is harmless

[Edited 2015-05-27 09:58:22]
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:00 pm

Whiner Alert! Nothing here to see.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:06 pm

I am a ramper, so calm down. Plus there is nothing wrong with doing this, but doing it during an active turn with people boarding the aircraft and looking out? That is where I think the judgement completely went out the window. When I started it was driving home to me that you are the entertainment for the passengers inside the plane, they are going to watch your every move. So in this day and age with more people on edge about flying, why in your right mind would you climb up into an engine of an aircraft that is preparing for departure?? While everyone can see you??? what is the heel of the shoe dents the cowling, she drops something that is missed and it gets ingested? These are crazy scenarios but crazier stuff has happened. Wait until a RON or at least not during a turn. That is where my issue is.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:21 pm

I feel the passenger over reacted and should have been more concerned about their own personal affairs rather than picture taking. Pics in engines are very common and I fail to see the big deal.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:22 pm

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 2):
I'm pretty sure almost every FA has a picture like this. Rite of passage, just like the one where someone is laying inside an overhead. I don't know where NK crew bases are, but it is possible she is based at ORD and SIDA badged there.

Bingo. As someone who's worked on the ramp and in flight ops management, this is really nothing to be concerned about. And as for everyone bringing up the SIDA/Badging issue, every airport I've spent time at generally permits airline crew with a proper "CREW" badge access to the immediate area around the aircraft, if not more.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:27 pm

Most people who have ever worked at an airport on the ground handling side, and aircrew have done this... No issues!

Maybe a case of bad timing but that's all.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:29 pm

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 9):
And as for everyone bringing up the SIDA/Badging issue, every airport I've spent time at generally permits airline crew with a proper "CREW" badge access to the immediate area around the aircraft, if not more.

Exactly. Aircraft crew don't need a SIDA to be around the airplane. Its not like every pilot who does a walk around has to get a SIDA for every airport they land at. They have their crew badges they are allowed around the airplane. Simple as that.

Anyway, talk about a picture I have seen so many pilots and flight attendants take, she should had done them during a long turn or last flight of the day though. That is the only issue. Highly doubt she has serious repercussions. This is a non-story.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:37 pm

I really do not see the problem here. Almost every flight attendant I know have taken such pictures, and posted them on their Facebook. The news story is completely blown out of proportion, and they even published her name for all the fanatics to harrass her.. Just wow.

If she gets fired, I hope some other airline hires her back.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:38 pm

Personally I think there is nothing wrong with taking a picture like that. The only thing I see wrong with it is doing in front of where passengers can see you. Yes it is rite of passage for many employees both on the ground and inflight. Yes NK overreacted I think.

I have taken pictures of several crew members in front of engines but it was out of sight of passengers or not during a active turn.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting womenbeshopping (Reply 7):
but doing it during an active turn with people boarding the aircraft and looking out? That is where I think the judgement completely went out the window.

Agreed 100%.

The passengers who complained and confronted the flight attendant must have checked theirs at the ticket counter.

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 8):
I feel the passenger over reacted and should have been more concerned about their own personal affairs rather than picture taking. Pics in engines are very common and I fail to see the big deal.

Reading the article, it sounds like the complainers are people who don't know how to have a good time, or are trying to make themselves feel better about flying on Spirit. Or maybe just feel better about themselves, period.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
Highly doubt she has serious repercussions.

Unfortunately, it all depends on whether her manager(s) are decent human beings.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:49 pm

Chuck's as bad as the The Daily Mail in the UK as creating drama where none exist.

So thanks to Chuck and some person who has probably flown once in their lifetime, a person's career is potential cut short.

Baldanza probably has one of himself doing the exact same thing.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:50 pm

http://www.braniffpages.com/1965/1965.html




scroll thru these photos!!!
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 5:55 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 8):
I fail to see the big deal.

A lot of people "fail to see the big deal" about a lot of things around here, but the point is in the corporate world, there are rules, and those rules exist for a reason. She broke them. That's it. That's the "big deal".

It's a pretty open and shut case. Spirit themselves said it "absolutely" violated their policies. There's no real room for debate here. It's a "big deal" because her employer says it is, and she showed tremendously poor judgment in publicly violating the rules of her employer.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:18 pm

Had a part time summer job as a ramp rat before heading off to college in the Fall in the early 80s, working for NWO at MSP and we use to see this all the time. The stewardesses ('Flight Attendant" was not yet part of the lexicon) were propped up on the engine of a DC-10 or 747. Hell, the mechanics or pilots were often snapping the pics.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:19 pm

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 17):
It's a pretty open and shut case. Spirit themselves said it "absolutely" violated their policies. There's no real room for debate here. It's a "big deal" because her employer says it is, and she showed tremendously poor judgment in publicly violating the rules of her employer.

What other option do they have other than to reply this way. We don't know what policy (policies) she broke unless we can get it posted on here by a Spirit Employee. (assuming that's not breaking company policy either).
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:28 pm

Must have been scrambling for a news story that day in the windy city. Nice pics!
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 17):
A lot of people "fail to see the big deal" about a lot of things around here, but the point is in the corporate world, there are rules, and those rules exist for a reason. She broke them. That's it. That's the "big deal".

I agree. And people who break rules that they consider pointless way will likely ignore other rules. That's the culture every airline wants to promote to the public!

It's interesting how many here are mostly bothered by the fact that she wasn't secretive enough and let herself get caught.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:32 pm

Most airports allow non-SIDA badged crew to move freely around the footprint of the aircraft and at airports where crew don't have to go through security, they can also move between the crew lounge/operations and the airplane on the ramp without an escort.

I wonder if the minimum FA on board rules were adhered to during the boarding process. If not, then that becomes an FAR violation.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 20):
What other option do they have other than to reply this way

Exactly. Everyone is in agreement that normally this picture is no big deal whatsoever, but the timing it was done was poor judgement on the young ladies part. Airlines are a business, and when employees do something to deter people from returning as a customer, than it is absolutely something that goes against a companies policies. Obviously in this forum there are not a lot of people who are afraid/nervous fliers, but in the general public there are a ton, and seeing someone who is not a mechanic climb up into an engine and scrunch down, would make them even more nervous or afraid. I got a nice reprimand when I was talking to a gate agent and I said that we have to do an air start because the APU wouldnt start. Apparently someone boarding head that something would not start and refused to fly on the plane, even though I technically did nothing wrong. So being an employee and a representative of your company, you have to use better judgement when doing something like this.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:35 pm

And these complaints come from the same people who refuse to turn of electronic devices, who pay no attention to safety debriefings, abuse carry-on rules, and can't obey even simple boarding orders. And they are they ones complaining about what flight attendants do.

Sorry, no this is just hype and trying to get attention.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 12):
I really do not see the problem here. Almost every flight attendant I know have taken such pictures, and posted them on their Facebook. The news story is completely blown out of proportion, and they even published her name for all the fanatics to harrass her.. Just wow.

  

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):
The passengers who complained and confronted the flight attendant must have checked theirs at the ticket counter.

  

She shouldn't have taken the pics during an active turn, but to say the passengers overreacted is an understatement. There was no reason to create this situation, other than to intentionally get someone in trouble.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 6:42 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers-100-want-travel-carry-bag.html

see the CEO of said airline in the overhead bin in the video? I bet he weighs way more than the posted max weight of that bin... that could cause structural damage to the airline... the FAA should look in to that and send them a major fine!
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 7:36 pm

Uhhhh I fail to see the issue here. I guess people will find anything to complain about and draw some attention to themselves by saying "Look!! I found this to be inappropriate!! Let me get my 5 seconds of fame!"

Big deal. Hope nothing happens to the FA because this is truly nothing to write home about.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Don't hate...

every airline geek here who can't get a pic like this would KILL to..

HUNDREDS of photos like this are already circulating all over the world in support of this FA. This was on Good Morning American this morning, and the segment is all over the net.. The support is overwhelming! Spirit should give her a HUGE bonus for advertising their name!


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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 7:49 pm

I think it would be great if Spirit reached out to these complainers.

And told them that if they were bothered by this incident....

... that there are other airlines to fly.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):
Reading the article, it sounds like the complainers are people who don't know how to have a good time, or are trying to make themselves feel better about flying on Spirit. Or maybe just feel better about themselves, period.

It look like this days people are more occupied trying to complain or benefit from situations rather than enjoying life! I bet that some of the offended and scared passengers will try to sue the airline blaming security, personal trauma or whatever other stupid reason.

I other ideas she looks beautiful and very hot in the picture, all kind of new fantasies filled my mind after seeing that picture!
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 8:12 pm

interesting they print the name of the f/a , but not the person who called it in...

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 23):
wonder if the minimum FA on board rules were adhered to during the boarding process.

that was my first thought when they said pax were on board
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 2):
Rite of passage, just like the one where someone is laying inside an overhead.

I was texted a photo of three female FAs in overhead bins, by a friend who is the FA who took the photo. I must say it is HOT!

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 12):
Almost every flight attendant I know have taken such pictures, and posted them on their Facebook

Not only are they on Facebook I have seen them as profile pictures on Facebook.

Quoting difrano789 (Reply 32):
I other ideas she looks beautiful and very hot in the picture, all kind of new fantasies filled my mind after seeing that picture!

I always liked the photos of PSA FAs in the engines of L1011s. So HOT!!!


              

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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 8:37 pm

Quoting womenbeshopping (Reply 24):
Everyone is in agreement that normally this picture is no big deal whatsoever, but the timing it was done was poor judgement on the young ladies part.

It'd be even worse judgement if she waited for the engines to start!
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 31):






I think it would be great if Spirit reached out to these complainers.

And told them that if they were bothered by this incident....

... that there are other airlines to fly.

Since when did Spirit starting caring about complaints? IMO this is not the type of complaint they need to address, especially when they have a ton of them which actually have merit. But you're right, that is pretty much their attitude regarding complaints.

[Edited 2015-05-27 13:51:55]
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 8:58 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 8):
I feel the passenger over reacted and should have been more concerned about their own personal affairs rather than picture taking. Pics in engines are very common and I fail to see the big deal.

Slow news day and an over-reacting pax with an itchy dialing finger...sadly, the FA won't be employed by Spirit much longer, imo.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:00 pm

There are several pictures from the 70's where airlines actually took pictures such as this. They used them in ad campaigns.
I guess that was the days when people were not minding everyone else's business and being so hyper sensitive.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:06 pm

"One of the passengers contacted the I-Team in disbelief, asking if it was part of a new pre-flight checklist. "

What a sad state our society has reached.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 25):
Sorry, no this is just hype and trying to get attention.
Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 29):

Uhhhh I fail to see the issue here. I guess people will find anything to complain about and draw some attention to themselves by saying "Look!! I found this to be inappropriate!! Let me get my 5 seconds of fame!"

Big deal. Hope nothing happens to the FA because this is truly nothing to write home about.
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 37):
Slow news day and an over-reacting pax with an itchy dialing finger...

         All of the above. The complainer needs to be made as famous as their victim.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:08 pm

It's like when I interned at universal. I have a picture inside the Psycho House, a velociraptor cage, snuck my bosses friends into the theme park area via back gates, drove the golf kart through the scorpion king set, back to the future, whatever. None of it was permitted, in a theoretical world it might be dangerous or a security risk. But EVERYONE did it.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting dashdrvr (Reply 38):
There are several pictures from the 70's where airlines actually took pictures such as this. They used them in ad campaigns.

They were not taken on a live footprint of the airplane on a ramp in between revenue turnarounds with revenue passengers in the boarding process. That is where the problem is. What would the crew do if there wan an APU fire or something similar and they had to issue an evacuation? Miss standing in the engine would not be a whole hell of a lot of help to the passengers.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:30 pm

Someone on FB started a thread about this and now there is HUNDREDS of pictures on there. Guess tomorrow the unemployment lines will be FULL of flight crews.

https://www.facebook.com/aflyguyslounge/posts/631542303613765?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:30 pm

A good friend of mine is an ORD based NK FA. He was flying with this FA when the picture was taken. There were no pax on board. The flight was boarding from a gate that boards on the ramp. He said after she took her picture he climbed in the engine too for a picture. It must be a slow news day in Chicago.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:32 pm

there are tons of pictures like this on instgram, twitter, facebook. if an airline has to go do a micro search on everyone of these pictures, a lot of them will be in trouble, again, i will never fly on an airline like NK, i have heard enough comments about how they treats their employees
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:33 pm

Quoting goboeing (Reply 39):
"One of the passengers contacted the I-Team in disbelief, asking if it was part of a new pre-flight checklist. "

I can imagine the arch tone of this passenger. Warhol was right.

Truth be told, local news stations love these types of stories, costs less than real journalism.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 9:38 pm

I do not see anything wrong with this at all. If she was properly escorted, she really did nothing wrong. I have taken plenty of pictures for flight crews doing this, and it never compromised safety, or security in any way. It also didn't cause a delay. I too have plenty of pictures of myself in the engine. I feel bad for this flight attendant.
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 37):
sadly, the FA won't be employed by Spirit much longer, imo.

She'll be fine. Spirit F/As do have a union, so she won't have to fight the battle alone. The thing about rules and punishments is that they have to be enforced equally and fairly.

So unless every single person at Spirit who has ever taken a picture in company uniform, with a company airplane, and posted it on social media has or will be terminated or otherwise disciplined the same that she might be, she is untouchable.

In fact, if she can find a good lawyer, she'll come out ahead of this, especially if this is true:

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 44):
A good friend of mine is an ORD based NK FA. He was flying with this FA when the picture was taken. There were no pax on board. The flight was boarding from a gate that boards on the ramp. He said after she took her picture he climbed in the engine too for a picture.

ABC 7's reporting is libelous, if she can show that she has been financially harmed by their reporting heavily implying (and at one point, explicity saying) that her actions were wrong and uncommon, and that she lacks good judgement (the headline on their Facebook link to the article says, in part, "WHAT WAS SHE THINKING?").
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 10:17 pm

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 44):
It must be a slow news day in Chicago.

  

40+ people were killed of injured in Chicago in weekend violence, a big deal about nothing, not even a safety risk, and the usual a-netter self righteousness and drama is flying, get a grip it's aviation not a religion, as a mechanic I've helped many F.A. s up into the cowling and took a picture for them....
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 10:20 pm

The era of citizen journalism. Ridiculous part is that an actual news organization took the bait as a real story and headlined it as an investigative report.
 
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RE: NK FA In Hot Water

Wed May 27, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting theginge (Reply 10):
Most people who have ever worked at an airport on the ground handling side, and aircrew have done this... No issues!

   Happens all the time. I feel sorry for her that the media showed her picture along with her full name, as if she was some kind of serial killer.

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