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klwright69
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Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Thu May 28, 2015 7:21 am

 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Thu May 28, 2015 7:38 am

Nostalgia will not keep them in the air. Starting ops in AA's Miami hub will not be easy, but I think VX has proven something by their MO in operating in the midst of fierce competition. I hope they survive.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Thu May 28, 2015 2:07 pm

I think they have a chance, IF, they watch their pennies and go about it slowly. Provide good service and don't nickel and dime the customers. Provide good employee relations and keep the unions out of the picture. And PLEASE paint the engine covers. That crappy baby blue looks so out of place. Does anybody know if the aircraft is equipped with ovens should the need arise?
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Thu May 28, 2015 3:11 pm

They can survive.

MIA to HAV is such a retro route, even if it is charter now. They start right off the bat with international.

They should do well with a handful of 737-800 and M-jets, if those prove well. They are seating 147 in the 738. I guess I think that is a little surprising. But I bet it changes soon enough.

Anybody seen a cabin layout?

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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 8:28 am

Here is another story. I hope EA, THE WINGS OF MAN, can return to the skies.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article22561377.html
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 2):
I think they have a chance, IF, they watch their pennies and go about it slowly. Provide good service and don't nickel and dime the customers. Provide good employee relations and keep the unions out of the picture. And PLEASE paint the engine covers. That crappy baby blue looks so out of place

I think I read before their business model unfortunately does include ancillary fees. If so too bad because they have a golden opportunity to launch what I believe there is a demand for, an airline that offers service levels of the past, but a premium should be built into the ticket price instead if necessary. And since their last flight was almost 25 years ago when airline passengers expected these things, they have the perfect brand image that as of now can only be associated with the way flying used to be.

While smaller and tail mounted instead, didn't the white DC9s have this same shade of blue paint on the engines? When they stripped the white paint they removed both this shade of blue and Whisperjet from the engines I believe.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 2:41 pm

To answer your topic question: I hope so!

I'm looking forward to seeing them flying outside my window here near MIA.  
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 2:48 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 5):
While smaller and tail mounted instead, didn't the white DC9s have this same shade of blue paint on the engines?

It was both the baby blue and dark blue on those engines:



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This fit the aircraft because the colors on those engines blended in well with the cheatline in the fuselage (same height). I admit that it looks odd on the 737-800 because the engines are lower but I like the change in colors on those engines just as the new EY livery with the white engines. The two colors used compensate each other in my opinion.


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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 3:07 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
It was both the baby blue and dark blue on those engines

I didn't realize the 727 had it too, where it was actually more noticeable because the lighter shade of blue (it doesn't look exactly like baby blue to me though) looks like it covered more than half the engine, and Whisperjet is not painted over it so it is more solid. I also didn't realize they kept this paint on the side engines for a long time after stripping the white paint but in the end it was gone from most aircraft. It was also a LOT less noticeable on the gray fuselage IMO.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Easte...d=7dc5d2d869a4a2e97f568629a0ff595b

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Easte...d=7dc5d2d869a4a2e97f568629a0ff595b
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 3:18 pm

I just realized why the 727 side engines have a wider stripe of the lighter blue than the DC9. In the pics you will notice the 727 engines are a bit larger which makes sense because it is a larger aircraft, but mainly because its engines are mounted to where the top extends slightly above the cheatlines, where the DC9s are mounted where they fall slightly below the cheatlines. The colors on the cheatlines extend to the engines where there is no difference in the height to make it appear as one continuous line, so therefore more of the lighter blue is needed for the 727 since that color is on top and it's engines are top heavy (in reference to the cheatlines) where the DC9s are bottom heavy. The DC9 though looks like its side engines have 50/50 between the two colors but the 727 has more of the lighter blue.

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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 3:24 pm

IMHO their business plan and execution make allot more sense than PEx 2.0 or CalPac but going forward will be tricky. Trying to recapture Northeast - Florida traffic from an entrenched B6, WN & DL is a suicide mission. Poaching Caribbean/LatAm O&D may work in the near term but nearby FLL is going to get messy if WN & B6 follow through with their agendas. G4, F9 & NK do a good job connecting secondary markets to the Sunshine State.

So where do they grow? Is there room for another high end charter like Miami Air? Is jumping right into the Snowbelt-Florida fray a good idea with limited capital? Do you want to tie the cart to a T&H group like Apple (who changes capacity providers like socks. Ask USA3000).

I want to see them succeed but I dunno.....
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 3:30 pm

I think the New Eastern Airlines will succeed, they got the planes, and they are introducing themselves step by step.
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 5:12 pm

I hope they do better than new reincarnations of PA.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 5:17 pm

I think the new Eastern will succeed. Besides, the U.S. Airline industry desperately needs more players now.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Fri May 29, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 3):
MIA to HAV is such a retro route, even if it is charter now. They start right off the bat with international.

The new loosened regulations for travel to Cuba are in the works......and EA basically is in the right place, at the right time,

They are also not doing anything that is redundant with what is already out there. Which is good.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Sat May 30, 2015 12:27 am

Quoting MavyWavyATR (Reply 13):

I think the new Eastern will succeed. Besides, the U.S. Airline industry desperately needs more players now

Agreed. There is an opening for a new Legacy type carrier, and Eastern still does have some good name recognition.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Sat May 30, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 14):
The new loosened regulations for travel to Cuba are in the works......and EA basically is in the right place, at the right time,

They are also not doing anything that is redundant with what is already out there. Which is good.

Do you mean the MIA-Cuba charters? There's been a ton of them - many flown by AA - for years.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Sat May 30, 2015 1:01 am

Another difference I see with the new Eastern is it looks like they are leasing their own aircraft (newer B737-800's) versus of what the PEX 2.0 did with Vision Air using their older B737-400's.
 
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Sat May 30, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
Can the new Eastern Airlines survive?

That will also depend on how much money people are prepared to throw at the company, and... how 'unionized' their employees become  
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RE: Can The New Eastern Airlines Survive

Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:01 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):
Do you mean the MIA-Cuba charters? There's been a ton of them - many flown by AA - for years.

Yes, the charters have been around for a while. UA has also had them. But I am looking at EA getting charters, as a "Stepping Stone" to being the first US carrier to have SCHEDULED service to Cuba, since the embargo, once things are all sorted out.

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