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Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 12:49 pm

The T1 closure and subsequent demolition and replacement T2 has been known about for some time, but not T3 closing. Presumably it's the older 1960s piers and not the very recent A380 capable stands?

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-...erted-ahead-of-closure-next-month/
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Thu May 28, 2015 1:07 pm

SO where are all the T3 airlines going ? Are they all going to squeeze into Terminal 4 ? Is AA going into a yet to be built T5 D or E ? Lots of questions an no answers. The only airlines with permanent homes at LHR at BA and the T2 airlines which are Star alliance airlines.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 1:22 pm

Quoting winterlight (Thread starter):
The T1 closure and subsequent demolition and replacement T2 has been known about for some time, but not T3 closing. Presumably it's the older 1960s piers and not the very recent A380 capable stands?

glad to hear that T1 is going! What will they build exactly in its place? Will they expand the main T2A into it?

I guess the A380 stands at T3 will eventually form part T2 although they are almost 10 years old so it wouldn't be a huge disaster to demolish them...
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Thu May 28, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting winterlight (Thread starter):
The T1 closure and subsequent demolition and replacement T2 has been known about for some time, but not T3 closing.

The Heathrow 2013 masterplan shows the entire CTA effectively demolished and replaced with an expanded T2, I think around 125% larger than the current T2 opened this year. Then a series of parallel concourses, 2 to the East of T2 and between 3 and 5 concourses or ramp areas between T2 and T5. The maintenance area to the east also gets reconfigured a bit as well. This is all shown with 2 runways and is the 20 year masterplan. T4 remains to the South. When it's all finished 5 become 3.

page 32 shows the proposed layout


http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati...gic-capital-business-plan-2015.pdf
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 2:43 pm

Presumably as T1 is pulled down it creates the space to expand T2, with the additional pier then built, so I'm guessing that airlines in T3 will move to an enlarged T2 before T3 is pulled down and the new T5 pier built?

Might be a bit of a squeeze in the interim.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 4):
Presumably as T1 is pulled down it creates the space to expand T2, with the additional pier then built, so I'm guessing that airlines in T3 will move to an enlarged T2 before T3 is pulled down and the new T5 pier built?

Might be a bit of a squeeze in the interim.

T2 felt very spacious, so in the interim they can put another airline or 2 (on top of FI) over to T2 and still be fine.

T5 was already PACKED from day 1 it opened. Can't imagine if they wanna stuff more people into that shopping mall that happens to dock planes.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 3:15 pm

I love the way that the grass is greener in 2032. Did Alastair Campbell draft this?

See page 32 for the image of the Heathrow long term plan:

http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati...gic-capital-business-plan-2015.pdf
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Thu May 28, 2015 3:18 pm

I guess they will connect some of the T1 gates to T2 and move the flights there whilst they demolish T1 and make T2 bigger to occupy its space. Then, once they've finished doing that and T2 is twice the current size they will connect it to the newest T3 gates and start demolishing T3. Eventually T1 will be replaced by the extension of T2 and T3 will be replaced by a satellite of T2. So the current terminals 1-2-3 will become one big T2.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 5):

I didn't find it that Packed when I was there. BA did a good job of separating pax, through different buildings and floors. INO, BA needs a T5 D/E, so they can expand, and possibly move AA/US in to T5D/E to ease OW J/V connectivity.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 3:21 pm

So T2 will have concourse on behind it and in front of it in the place of T3, interesting.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 8):

I didn't find it that Packed when I was there. BA did a good job of separating pax, through different buildings and floors. INO, BA needs a T5 D/E, so they can expand, and possibly move AA/US in to T5D/E to ease OW J/V connectivity.

Agreed. T5 D/E is much better. Splitting things across T1-3-5 at the predominant oneworld european JV hub is quite a pain to navigate. (not that FRA jigsaw puzzle or CDG jenga blocks are much better either)
 
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 3:48 pm

Of course if they convert the whole area between the runways into a toast rack, then thought will need to be given for more remote parking elsewhere. Otherwise, maybe move all irregular maintenance out of LHR to another airport and demolish a hangar or two?
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Thu May 28, 2015 4:41 pm

Let the ME3 pay for the new terminal, as they are in deep love with IAG   
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 4:53 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 12):

I don't think money is the problem. The problem is getting the government to make a decision. Anyway, I think the terminals will go ahead regardless of whether new runways are added as they will make the airport more modern and efficient and there is not much to object to as all of the construction for that will take place within Heathrow's perimeter.

I think what the government needs to do is heavily stress all of the advantages of expanding Heathrow in order to offset all of the negative publicity that comes from NIMBY organisations. Maybe there will be a political cost, but with enough public awareness I think a lot of people around the country would like to see Heathrow expand and have the space for more regional flights.

At the end of the day, the interests of Hillingdon should not come before those of the rest of the country and in any case there are many advantages in the local area in terms of jobs and improvements to transport infrastructure related to the airport.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting uta999 (Reply 6):

Page 35 - Third runway

  
 
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 5:12 pm

The use of the Union Flag on their promotional stuff really pisses me off. There's not a single British share or company connected to Heathrow Airport Limited.
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Thu May 28, 2015 5:19 pm

Yes, but it's the biggest port in Britain and its expansion is important for the British economy. And you could buy a few shares if you wanted.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 11):
Of course if they convert the whole area between the runways into a toast rack, then thought will need to be given for more remote parking elsewhere. Otherwise, maybe move all irregular maintenance out of LHR to another airport and demolish a hangar or two?

I don't mind the toast rack design (kinda like ATL), but the single biggest design gripe about LHR is how they realistically force you to be stuck inside the main terminal until your gate is announced 35-45 mins prior. It's really stressful to have to constantly look up the boards (or the app) for your gate info.

They should properly segregate it between UK/Ireland and INTL zones such that within each zone, passengers can move freely between the toast racks (and for heavens sake, put more amenities within each rack)
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 5:39 pm

I have to say I find the masterplan for LHR utterly uninspiring, and completely disconnected. The terminal buildings in themselves are fine, but there doesn't seem to be a consistent design philosophy for the overall airport layout. Whilst the future vision is far less cluttered, it still looks like a huge field with rectangular 'sheds' placed in various far flung locations. I think of other European airports that have a clear and memorable identity due to their unique layout - CDG for instance, with its distinctive curved piers and terminals. Why can't we take this opportunity to create a more imaginative and joined up Heathrow, rather than just building more giant glass sheds?
 
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 17):
It's really stressful to have to constantly look up the boards (or the app) for your gate info.

#firstworldproblem

If you're in a lounge, isn't that what you do anyway?
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 19):


If you're in a lounge, isn't that what you do anyway?

most airports announce gates far in advance, so regardless of whether I'm in the lounge, in the mall, or just a random chair, I know where to head to for my flight (or I can wait at the benches directly adjacent to the gate)

T2 is slightly better because I know UA/AC/NZ must depart out of T2B. With T5, it's anyone's guess.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 6:03 pm

Not sure where they are getting the info about T3 being closed in 2019. Heathrow is currently spending large sums on upgrading the T3 baggage facility and it won't be completed until next year. Not a project that you'd invest in for just a few years. Also, there are discussions ongoing with the T3 airlines about future upgrades to T3, to further modernise the terminal.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 6:21 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The only airlines with permanent homes at LHR at BA and the T2 airlines which are Star alliance airlines.

You are also forgetting VS at T3 which has a significant presence in that terminal.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 6:48 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 11):
Of course if they convert the whole area between the runways into a toast rack, then thought will need to be given for more remote parking elsewhere.

Not really. The current central Terminal 1-2-3 area doesn't use space very efficiently due to it being originally designed for a different airfield configuration and vastly smaller traffic numbers. Terminal 3 has fewer than 30 contact gates which aren't all suitable for widebodies; that number of gate positions can be provided by the planned T2C (16 gates) along with the expanded T2A (9-10 gates), given that it appears the four A380 gates just west of the current T2A are to be retained in the future master plan.

[Edited 2015-05-28 12:07:32]
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 6:49 pm

I've never been a fan of major airports that rely so heavily on separate stands away from the terminal.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 24):

I've never been a fan of major airports that rely so heavily on separate stands away from the terminal.

Completely agree. One of my biggest complaints of T5 is coming off a BA flight in business class and being dropped onto a bus. I am sure there are worse major airports out there, but it seems to happen to me nearly every time I come into T5.

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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 7:44 pm

T1 will be closed to the public but will remain for several more years as it still accommodates the baggage handling system for T2.
 
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 8:53 pm

Travelled through T1 the other month to Lyon, discovered you can walk easily into T2, so conceivably T1 could retain access to (many) gates whilst closing the check in/ baggage reclaim area.
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 10:00 pm

I only got to visit T1 once as I transferred from a VS flight LAX-LHR to a Little Red flight to EDI at gate 8. I found it to be pretty nice. I liked it better than T3. The security area to the UK domestic flights seemed quite complicated. On one side, a retina check and on the other side of the wall the standard full-body scanners that lead who knows where. I remember the concourse for the VS Little Red flights was old, dingy and quite short in height (maybe 6 feet) with a coffee shop and great view of the runways at the end of it.

I remember the whole experience at LHR to be quite bizarre and intriguing. Long walk along a separated glass corridor in T3, up to a miles long maze that ended at a bus stop... still without going through immigration (we thought we were criminals at this point). Then arrive at T1 in a small lobby, up an escalator around a corner to a large immigration facility (I guess this was for arriving/terminating passengers) which we got confused by, keep walking and end up at a fork... one leading to an escalator that seemed to bypass immigration, and the other way heading to immigration/retina scan, then down another escalator to security and main terminal. I couldn't find any of this on the LHR map unfortunately.

So many corners, ups and downs, signs and different steps. Definitely the most complicated transfer I've ever made, but LHR seems like a well oiled machine. It was exciting and I am sad to see T1 go!
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 10:29 pm

This is because it is a bunch of different buildings built in different decades all bolted on to each other, and then later changed, adapated and modernised depending on requirements and passenger flows. With the new terminals it will all be much less complicated, but perhaps also less interesting.
 
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Thu May 28, 2015 11:34 pm

I attended Heathrow's recent business partner presentation, and spent some time with the planning people to get my head around the future.

In simple terms there will be an Eastern (current T2) and a Western (current T5) campus. Western - T5 - will be partnered to the north with a new 'T6'.

T3 will be maintained for the next 10/12 years.

The plans are not a million miles away from this - http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3049963/heathrownorthwestfull.jpg -although not exactly the same.
 
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Thu May 28, 2015 11:41 pm

I can't remember if we checked in at Terminal 1 or 3 for our Austrian flight to Vienna last summer, but let me tell you -- What a complete Shit Hole. It was so bad, so cramped, stinky, slow, etc that my wife refuses to let me book a flight through Heathrow anymore until the issue is resolved.

After check-in, we walked what seemed like 2 miles to our gate (which I believe was in Terminal 2) and that was very nice, other than the loooong walk.
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Fri May 29, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 3):
page 32 shows the proposed layout

If I am not mistaken, this birds view plan makes it look like same principle as ATL (Atlanta Hartsfield)

[Edited] It was my first impression that looks to have already been shared

[Edited 2015-05-28 18:44:06]
 
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RE: Heathrow T1 Closing Next Month, T3 In 2019

Fri May 29, 2015 2:14 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 4):
Presumably as T1 is pulled down it creates the space to expand T2, with the additional pier then built, so I'm guessing that airlines in T3 will move to an enlarged T2 before T3 is pulled down and the new T5 pier built?

Might be a bit of a squeeze in the interim.

Isn't there still some space at T4? I suppose some non-aligned carriers like PK could move there, and DL could move their remaining flights back to T4.
 
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Fri May 29, 2015 2:34 am

Is there only one Flight Connections Centre (located in T1/2), or one in each terminal?
 
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Fri May 29, 2015 4:40 am

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 31):
I can't remember if we checked in at Terminal 1 or 3 for our Austrian flight to Vienna last summer, but let me tell you -- What a complete Shit Hole. It was so bad, so cramped, stinky, slow, etc that my wife refuses to let me book a flight through Heathrow anymore until the issue is resolved.

That would have been T1. As it closes to all passengers at the end of June, and Austrian moved out at the end of last summer anyway, I think you can tell your wife her problem is resolved.
 
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Fri May 29, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 35):
That would have been T1. As it closes to all passengers at the end of June, and Austrian moved out at the end of last summer anyway, I think you can tell your wife her problem is resolved.

Thanks for the info Andy33. What terminal do they now use for Check-in? Is it better than Terminal 1? We were there last July and they shared check-in space with about 4 airlines -- LH, Austrian, etc. Not a fun experience.
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Fri May 29, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 36):
What terminal do they now use for Check-in? Is it better than Terminal 1?

Austrian are now in the new T2 (with the rest of the Star Alliance carriers). Not been in there but I think that you can safely assume it will be better than T1!
 
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Fri May 29, 2015 4:20 pm

T2 is great to use. Loads of space, tons of natural light and no stinkin' smells.
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Sat May 30, 2015 6:20 am

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 36):
Thanks for the info Andy33. What terminal do they now use for Check-in? Is it better than Terminal 1? We were there last July and they shared check-in space with about 4 airlines -- LH, Austrian, etc. Not a fun experience.

They use the brand-new T2 for check-in. However you'll still find Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss and Brussels Airlines sharing check-in facilities. That's because Lufthansa own the other three (or in the case of Brussels Airlines, most of it).
 
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Sat May 30, 2015 2:09 pm

I would think the new check-in facility would be much more comfortable and spacious, even if the multiple airlines are sharing space.
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Sat May 30, 2015 2:48 pm

T2 Check-in area is cramped and not very well thought out, i think this is due to the ticket desks being located along the wall as you walk in.
 
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Sat May 30, 2015 3:16 pm

Things are bound to go downhill once AI move in. Delays, canx flights, etc.
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Sat May 30, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 31):
I can't remember if we checked in at Terminal 1 or 3 for our Austrian flight to Vienna last summer, but let me tell you -- What a complete Shit Hole. It was so bad, so cramped, stinky, slow, etc that my wife refuses to let me book a flight through Heathrow anymore until the issue is resolved.

You should have seen the OS desks in the old T2 where they were before T1....now that I can remember being very cramped and slow. I'm surprised to found T1 cramped and stinky though. It's quite a spacious terminal, if not a little long in the tooth. The new T2 is very nice though.
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Sat May 30, 2015 3:58 pm

I really don't know why they couldn't have built a new airport at the Thames Boris Island. There is no room for expansion at Heathrow without mowing down houses and towns. Why is the British insight so narrow?
 
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Sat May 30, 2015 4:08 pm

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 44):
I really don't know why they couldn't have built a new airport at the Thames Boris Island. There is no room for expansion at Heathrow without mowing down houses and towns. Why is the British insight so narrow?

Yes, but Boris Island isn't very convenient for much of the UK is it? LHR is on the M4/M25 junction, easy for London, people from the North and West. Borris Island is good for East London and a fraction of the rest of the country. Also, there is no infrastructure there.
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Sat May 30, 2015 4:16 pm

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Sat May 30, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 44):
I really don't know why they couldn't have built a new airport at the Thames Boris Island. There is no room for expansion at Heathrow without mowing down houses and towns. Why is the British insight so narrow?

In addition to the points mentioned by "gabrielchew" above ( Reply 45). Boris airport won't be viable unless Heathrow gets closed and all airlines moved over, and in that case the loss of jobs and businesses in West London will be astronmical - far more than the cost of moving houses around Heathrow. Also, the area of Boris Airport has a vast extent of natural habitat that will be severly damaged - also far more than at Heathrow area. Plus the cost of the new project + new infrastructure. And by the long time it takes to construct it, the airport crisis would've become a real economic disaster. It really is Heathrow or never. Connecting Heathrow to Gatwick with nonestop underground trains (airside to airside) is much cheaper and faster than a Boris airport.

Will be sad to see T1 go, as horrible as it was. It's an era and a monument. Will greatly miss the plane spotting at rwy 27R landings from the ex BMI stands.

In hindsight, this now confirms what others were saying about Icelandair's move to T2.
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Sun May 31, 2015 4:23 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 20):
most airports announce gates far in advance,

That does not work at DFW. Seems at DFW you can never count on a gate assignment that was provided more than 1 hour before departure.
 
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Sun May 31, 2015 4:49 am

Forgive me I haven't traveled through LHR in years; What is the current state of T4? Who occupies this space?

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 8):
I didn't find it that Packed when I was there. BA did a good job of separating pax, through different buildings and floors. INO, BA needs a T5 D/E, so they can expand, and possibly move AA/US in to T5D/E to ease OW J/V connectivity.

I think it would be good if QF could squeeze in too! Surely two A380s a day can't take up that much gate space, especially in comparison to the amount of AA movements.

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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos