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Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu May 28, 2015 2:51 pm

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Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5 (by Wingtip1005 Feb 5 2015 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu May 28, 2015 3:07 pm

I know that DY has 100 A320neo on order. Does anoyone know which engine has been chosen? Or have they not made their pick yet?
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu May 28, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting hilram (Reply 1):
I know that DY has 100 A320neo on order. Does anoyone know which engine has been chosen? Or have they not made their pick yet?

They selexted the PW1100G for 50 aircraft - engines for the other 50 aircraft are not selected yet.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:51 am

MSN 6101 was seen without engines last week.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/dpuvfd.jpg

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:24 am

Seems plans are well underway to smooth the transition from ceo to neo, while also allowing for possible increases in production rate:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ne-assembly-for-a320-wings-412918/

"Airbus is shifting its A320-family wing production concept away from static assembly to a semi-automated pulse-line to improve efficiency ahead of transition to A320neo production."
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:33 am

G'day

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
MSN 6101 was seen without engines last week

So the tiny "maturity issue" on the PW1100G turns out to be a rather major problem. If the issue was indeed tiny then testing presumably could have continued to gather data not related to that issue. As it is there were no flights for over a month and now they are replacing the engines.

Maybe the meaning of tiny needs to be redefined   


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:47 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 5):
then testing presumably could have continued to gather data not related to that issue

The "tiny" problem is in a seal in the high pressure compressor, on its self a tiny problem, but one that I think could possibly result in a engine failure with severe damage if they continued to use the engine.

MSN6101 was seen with a replacement engine on May 5th after the birdstrike incident of April 30th, suggesting that the issue was found after that date (Maybe in that replacement engine)
So it was seen 3.5 weeks ago with engines and 5 days ago without engines. The issue might have taken some time for troubleshooting and thereafter the engines have likely been taken apart to have them fixed or even shipped back to P&W for fixing.

D-AVVA (neo #2) was seen doing a RTO on May 16th, 2 weeks ago

[Edited 2015-06-01 03:49:20]
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:15 pm

G'day

Quoting starbucks (Reply 6):
The "tiny" problem is in a seal in the high pressure compressor

Thanks for the clarification on this. I take it that tiny bits breaking loose from the high pressure turbine could cause havoc on their way through the combustion chambers and the compressor stages. Thanks again!

Quoting starbucks (Reply 6):
birdstrike incident of April 30th

Any news on the recovery progress of that crane?   


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:13 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 7):
Any news on the recovery progress of that crane?

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:41 am

The Leap A320neo just got airborne on its 10th flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB10EW/66c2f52
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:52 am

This has not been posted before: the front view of the Leap powered A320neo:


Airbus A320-251N msn 6419 by dn280tls, on Flickr
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:54 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
This has not been posted before: the front view of the Leap powered A320neo:

Is there any way to distinguish the Leap from the GTF from this position? Maybe the small tips on the engine cowling that are positioned in about a 45 degree angle? Or does the GTF have those too?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:21 pm

The bump at the bottom on the outside of the pod is only on the Leap i guess ?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 11):
Is there any way to distinguish the Leap from the GTF from this position? Maybe the small tips on the engine cowling that are positioned in about a 45 degree angle? Or does the GTF have those too?

The GTF's look slightly larger to me.
Different angles but:

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...d=8e96e885699a3e8e55f37de4082cb157

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...d=8e96e885699a3e8e55f37de4082cb157
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting ams747757 (Reply 13):
Different angles but:

Thanks for the link to the pictures.   The GTF indeed does look a bit larger and does not have these "vanes" I mentioned earlier.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:13 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 14):
Thanks for the link to the pictures. The GTF indeed does look a bit larger and does not have these "vanes" I mentioned earlier.

You're quite welcome. Good eye too, didn't notice those vanes until I looked closer.

Either way, the 320NEO is a fine looking bird, but I like the look of those GTFs on there.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:07 am

FG article about the GTF seal issue. Not much more info than we already have but they seem confident that testing will restart soon and not affect the EIS target:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...resume-flights-in-39coming-413109/

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 14):
The GTF .... does not have these "vanes" I mentioned earlier.

I think it does but they are just not quite as obvious in the side-on pictures. Take a closer look at the GTF picture that ams747757 posted link to and you'll see one on the side of the engine.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:17 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 14):

It doen not only look larger it also is  

GTF fan diameter 81 inch
Leap fan diameter 78 inch
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:59 am

MSN 6419 is doing some interesting flying today:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2zyiqys.jpg
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
MSN 6419 is doing some interesting flying today:

Perhaps they have been inspired by the flower guy.  
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:12 pm

The first A321neo emerged from the final assembly line:


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:53 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

Nice to see another member of the NEO family.  
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
The first A321neo emerged from the final assembly line:

Great picture, thanks - good to see progress being made.

Can't help thinking that those wings look too fragile for that size of body though  
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:16 am

Can't wait to see the A321 painted and with engines  
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

Oh yesss   now for the engines and paint to marvel at this awesome plane 
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:29 pm

G'day

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...very-in-2015-even-with-pratt-hitch

Reading this bit it appears the "tiny issue" with the seal retaining ring on the PW1100G will be resolved in time to permit certification and first delivery of the PW powered A320 NEO this year. Good to see progress is being made to resolve the problem and to get the aircraft back into the air.

The first customer is scheduled to be Qatar however, and in my opinion it would be overly optimistic to assume that this would be the first aircraft type ever to pass AAB's scrutiny in a first pass and enter service as scheduled. FWIK the A 320NEO has carpets as well as lavatories with a seat cover, both having posed major differences of opinion with Qatar in the past.   

So some airline in India or Germany may well become the first operator of the type after all.         

Interesting times ahead!   


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:16 am

Pratt expects to resume/start ground tests with the "fixed" engine within a week

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0OU09F20150614?irpc=932

Don't know if it are ground tests at P&W or in TLS on the A320neo...
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:40 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 26):
Pratt expects to resume/start ground tests with the "fixed" engine within a week

Good to hear. Now let's see if they can make up some of the lost time.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:36 pm

Things aren't too bad for Pratt:
Engine maker Pratt & Whitney expects to win orders for more than 500 of its geared turbofan engines at the Paris Airshow, an executive said on Sunday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...pratt-orders-idUSL5N0Z00JR20150614

Quoting starbucks (Reply 26):
Pratt expects to resume/start ground tests with the "fixed" engine within a week

Per your link the clip wasn't heat treated properly. That is a big deal actually.
There are numerous parts in an engine that have poor fatigue lives without proper heat treating. Sometimes it is an oversight (not specified by the sub-vendor), sometimes it is quality control. Either way, it shows why aerospace is not the automotive industry. (I had a friend quit automotive after he brought up a coating issue on a million parts... no recall. Just put them out there... and a million air conditioning units failed early.... Not a safety issue, but on aircraft it is often a safety issue. In aerospace, it becomes a safety issue.)

Note: I'm trying to find out more 'unpublished details,' but with no luck yet.

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
Per your link the clip wasn't heat treated properly.

From the link I read "tested":

"Adams told Reuters the company had made a "very minor modification" to the component, a clip inside the engine, and was already assembling engines with the redesigned part.

He said the part in question had not been heat-tested properly, allowing it to pop out, but would now be secured differently to prevent any additional problems."
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:13 pm

The first 2 a/c for Indigo should start final assembly soon, the wings are waiting for Beluga transport. Has anyone seen the article on flight global regarding Leap engines finishing certification in the coming weeks?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting pugman211 (Reply 30):
Has anyone seen the article on flight global regarding Leap engines finishing certification in the coming weeks?

Here's the article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-certification-in-39coming-413473/
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:38 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 26):
Don't know if it are ground tests at P&W or in TLS on the A320neo...

The retrofitted engines will arrive in late June.

http://atwonline.com/atw-location/pr...20neo-engines-fix-airbus-late-june

Quote:
Pratt & Whitney said it will deliver retrofitted PW1100G geared turbofan (GTF) engines to Airbus by the end of June to enable the resumption of GTF-powered A320neo flight testing.

Flight testing should resume in July.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:20 am

Is there a breakdown of engine selections for carriers? It seems as though the PW1100G is the choice for the A321 but I've heard the A320 is split in regards to both engines.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:31 am

Quoting res77W (Reply 33):
Is there a breakdown of engine selections for carriers? It seems as though the PW1100G is the choice for the A321 but I've heard the A320 is split in regards to both engines.
http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 34):

Thanks!
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:40 am

Last week MSN 6101 (the P&W A320neo) was seen with new engines installed and just performed a taxi test.

[Edited 2015-06-22 02:44:40]
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 23):
Can't wait to see the A321 painted and with engines

Yes she will look quite nice once they get some of those GTFs on there.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):






Last week MSN 6101 (the P&W A320neo) was seen with new engines installed and just performed a taxi test.

Good news, thanks for the updates.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:30 pm

A320neo in the air again
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
The first A321neo emerged from the final assembly line:

This is the big one, figuratively and literally. I think it will be the prettiest of the sisters.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:22 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
Last week MSN 6101 (the P&W A320neo) was seen with new engines installed and just performed a taxi test.

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A320NEO_Airbus_F-WNEO-001 by Niark, on Flickr
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:18 pm

The second Leap A320neo in Hamburg today:


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 40):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):Last week MSN 6101 (the P&W A320neo) was seen with new engines installed and just performed a taxi test.=>

What a beautiful photo that is!!! I can't wait to see the first A320NEO myself!!!


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:47 pm

It seems now that we have all four A320neo prototypes, ready or almost ready, for testing:

... model ........ MSN ..........reg. .............. engine

A320-271N ...... 6101 .......F-WNEO ...... PW1100G-JM
A320-271N ...... 6286 .......D-AVVA ....... PW1100G-JM
A320-251N ...... 6419 ...... F-WNEW ..... CFM LEAP-1A
A320-251N .......6642 ...... D-AVVB ....... CFM LEAP-1A

Now, we are waiting for A319´s and A321´s...

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

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Quoting mfranjic (Reply 43):
embarrassed to see First Class Member designation next to my name.

Who doesn't appreciate the unexpected upgrade?  
Quoting mfranjic (Reply 43):
Also, I do apologize for my, not particularly good, English beacuse I do not use it very often and I have never had a chance to learn it the way I wanted to.

Welcome to the airliners.net forum - your english is fine. Looking forward to your future posts!
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:09 am

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 43):
Also, I do apologize for my, not particularly good, English beacuse I do not use it very often and I have never had a chance to learn it the way I wanted to.

Please do not ever feel that you should need to apologize for the standard of your English. I consider myself fluent in French and German but I would still find it very difficult, and time-consuming, to make many of the posts that I make here in a French or German forum. Anyway, your post has better English than many posts I have seen from native English speakers on here  

I know, from experience, that writing in a foreign language is not easy so I have very great respect for all those people who contribute their knowledge here in English when it is not their first language.

Welcome to the forum.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

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Quoting LawnDart (Reply 44):
Who doesn't appreciate the unexpected upgrade?    
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 44):
Welcome to the airliners.net forum - your english is fine. Looking forward to your future posts!

Yes, You are right, but I am also aware this magic won´t last forever. Like in the story of Cinderella  
Thank You, LawnDart, for Your warm welcome and support!

Quoting speedbored (Reply 45):
Please do not ever feel that you should need to apologize for the standard of your English. I consider myself fluent in French and German but I would still find it very difficult, and time-consuming, to make many of the posts that I make here in a French or German forum. Anyway, your post has better English than many posts I have seen from native English speakers on here  

I know, from experience, that writing in a foreign language is not easy so I have very great respect for all those people who contribute their knowledge here in English when it is not their first language.

Welcome to the forum.

I feel You fully understand my basic problem. Most of that what I could say and write on my own language, disappears somewhere in the translation and my uncertainty that this is what I wanted to say. Moreover, as I already said, I do not have particularly great knowledge. But, I have an interest and love for aviation.
Thank You, so much, speedbored. I have seen and read many of Your posts!


Nice regards to all members and readers.

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 43):
... model ........ MSN ..........reg. .............. engine

A320-271N ...... 6101 .......F-WNEO ...... PW1100G-JM
A320-271N ...... 6286 .......D-AVVA ....... PW1100G-JM
A320-251N ...... 6419 ...... F-WNEW ..... CFM LEAP-1A

No flights from these three birds last week - last flight from MSN6419 on June 26th.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:47 am

Engines are now being installed on the first A321neo (MSN 6673) in XFW.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

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The first 4 production wingsets are ready to go to the FAL's, however I don't know when that will be.

3 for Indigo, 1 for Qatar.

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